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A 1974 Review of D&D

CleverNickName writes "Boing Boing pointed me to this 1974 review of the 'new' Dungeons and Dragons game. Some highlights: D&D was subtitled 'Rules for Fantastic Medieval Wargams Campaigns Playable with Paper and Pencil and Miniature Figures.' The reviewer concludes, 'In general, the concept and imagination involved is stunning. However, much more work, refinement, and especially regulation and simplification is necessary before the game is managable.'"

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  1. Re:I have no D&D experience... by elmegil · · Score: 3, Informative
    A lot depends on the referee / game master.

    A lot? Try everything. D&D gives you a framework, and consistent rules for engagement so you don't think you're at the GM's whims, but without someone who

    • has imagination
    • is organized
    • is able to keep a group of unruly nerds in line
    the game is still unplayable. This was proven to me time and again in a group of us with rotating gamemasters a long while back. Only one GM was worth playing with....
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  2. Re:I have no D&D experience... by s.a.m · · Score: 2, Informative

    As was said it is similar to a lan party.

    However if you've ever played Taboo or any of the drinking games, or even doing charades, then it's very similar to that. You can have as much fun as you put into it. You are only limited by your imagination.

    If you happen to have a good DM then you're gonna have tons of fun.

    I play D&D ocassionaly, and a lot of the times it basically is a chance to just get together talk, and have fun. For an avg session that goes for about 6 hours, we only have about 2 hours of serious game time and the rest is just goofing off and having fun.

  3. Re:I have no D&D experience... by Stonehand · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's all about the collaborative storytelling. Basically, you need imaginations, creativity, improvisational skills (especially for the gamemaster; players won't necessarily do what you anticipate...) and dedication (because creating a plausible, detailed setting and reasonable non-cookie-cutter missions takes a LOT of time and effort on the part of the GM).

    With CRPGs, you normally drastically cut down on the personality and interaction aspect -- you're normally restricted to preplotted conversation trees or keyword systems, for instance -- that make pencil-and-paper RPGs shine.

    It's not about the dice. It's not about the system, although choice of system will affect style -- e.g. players in the Middle Earth RPG system need to be extremely careful since healing's far harder to get than, say, AD&D-type systems.

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  4. And some minor advice... by Kozz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Should you decide to play, have fun with it and keep an open mind.

    That having been said, you should:

    • Don't ever get too attached to any of the characters you play. They tend to die, unless you've got a DM that never kills any characters, in which case there's no risk and it's a boring game.
    • Always play while "straight". I'm talking about mental capacity here, not sexual preference. Put away the weed, the beer, whatever. But of course, the Mountain Dew and Doritos are fine. Seriously though, the game is much more fun when you and your friends can concentrate fully on the game, be alert, and be creative. I've played a game where all it took was one or two beers before some people became just lost interest or stopped trying.
    • What happens in the game is just that -- a game. However your character may interact with your friends' characters, keep it all in the game. I've seen minor pissing-matches between friends after D&D sessions, and it's a damned shame.

    Oh yeah, get some dice. A nice big set of "matching" dice may look nice, but the favorites become those sets that are a hodge-podge of dice bought here and there. ;)

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  5. Re:My poor memory by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 4, Informative

    That was the Basic Set, I still have it .

    A dragon seen thru a doorway, sitting
    on a trasure pile, and a scared mage
    with his mouth hanging open with a wand
    in his hand .

    Hehe, forgot about the archer ...

    It was light blue , and so was the box,
    and came with a few cheap dice too .

    Here is a picture ...

    http://www.acaeum.com/DDIndexes/SetPages/SetScan s/ Basic2Rule.html

    Ex-MislTech

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  6. About the reviewer, Arnold Hendrick by Allen+Varney · · Score: 5, Informative

    Jeez, I was the one who submitted this story to Boing Boing. I never thought Slashdot would go for it. I keep missing so many Karma opportunities....

    What I said in the Boing Boing submission that Wil didn't repeat here is, the 1974 review is by a gamer named Arnold Hendrick. Hendrick went on to run Heritage Miniatures and to design some cool boardgames for Heritage's short-lived Dwarfstar game line. Later Hendrick went into computer games, working for Microprose and others; he helped design or develop many of Sid Meier's best-known titles. Hendrick's best-known work as sole designer is probably the 1992 Microprose fantasy game Darklands. Here's his MobyGames rap sheet and a Darklands FAQ.

    What I learn from this: Be bold! Despite all qualms, submit to Slashdot!

  7. Re:Very interesting. by sholden · · Score: 2, Informative
    I'm especially amused at the bit about $3.50 apiece (or $10 for the whole set) being expensive. And here I paid sixty bucks for the three core D&D3 books and felt like I was getting a deal.
    Since the median income* of the USA was about $8500 in 1974 and in 2001 was about $29,000 the price now is about double the price of 1974 (which is about the same as you get with inflation figues - which would be $10->$35).

    Of course the modern D&D product is of far higher quality - paper and production wise (content is of course a matter of taste) explaining the price increase.

    * Figures from http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/p07.html

  8. Re:My poor memory by Keebler71 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think it went like this: Basic rules: Red. levels 1-4? Expert rules: Blue. levels 4-9? Companion rules: Green. levels 9?-20? Master rules: Black. 20?-36 Note: the Companion and Master rules were extentions to the orignal D&D well after AD&D was released and were not AD&D rulesets.

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  9. Re:My poor memory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    In the late 70's, TSR started releasing AD&D in the form of hardback books. At the time they were still printing the 'white box' edition of D&D. Around 1980 they released the Basic D&D boxed set. It had a rulebook with a blue cover, a module, and some low-impact dice. Later, around 1983, they began re-releasing D&D as a series of boxed sets, basic/expert/master, etc. Of course they were still publishing AD&D in the form of hardbacks. I think what you want is the 'old' basic set.

  10. Re:Very interesting. by SamSpectre · · Score: 2, Informative

    The 1st edition rules have the best flavor (maybe that flavor is nostalgia). The 2nd edition rules were a mess of 1st edition rules with extra rules piled on top. 2nd edition was an attempt by TSR to adopt ideas that other gaming systems were running with at the time, like GURPS's skill based system, etc. It didn't work because the core of the edition remained the same. The 3rd edition is the best system mechanically. It all makes sense. You ALWAYS want to roll higher on all dice rolls, etc. It is streamlined, etc. It is much easier to play than 1st edition. Also, 3rd edition has the Open Gaming License which is allowing DOZENS of third-party publishers to improve the system, which is GREAT. Some of the 3rd party publishers are putting out better quality materials than Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro (the newest owners of D&D). For those people (like myself) who want a taste for 1st edition flavor though, I HIGHLY recommend Hackmaster, which is a licensed 1st edition game with enough tweaks to make it great fun.

  11. Re:My poor memory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Don't forget immortal rules which were gold in colour.

  12. Re:believe it or not by nentwined · · Score: 2, Informative

    Uhhhh. TSR has been out of business for years. It's been Wizards of the Coast since then, and (imo) they've actually done a reasonably good job of putting life back in the system.

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