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Cat Organ Transplants

sophie baines writes "Vets have given their approval for cats to have kidney transplants in the UK-despite ethical concerns about the procedure. Liverpool University is believed to be one of the few veterinary teaching centres around the country to have the advanced specialist equipment needed to carry out the operation."

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  1. Activism for the sake of activism? by CTD · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I don't get it...

    "Britain's main animal charities, including the RSPCA, had expressed ethical concerns about the procedure, particularly over the issue of choice and consent."

    It's a cat! I've got two cats. While I will certainly agree that they have a mind of their own (and for some reason think that the best place to be is underfoot while I'm walking in the morning), but consent??? It's a cat...


    "Mr. Whiskers, this is a risky operation with potential complications. It is entirely possible that you could die due to this surgery. I still advise you to have it done, as your organs are failing and you won't live much longer without a transplant. We have a ready donor, do you give your consent for this transplant to be done?"

    "Meow."

    Boggling what people will do to have a cause.
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    1. Re:Activism for the sake of activism? by unapersson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "It's a cat! I've got two cats. While I will certainly agree that they have a mind of their own (and for some reason think that the best place to be is underfoot while I'm walking in the morning), but consent??? It's a cat..."

      So do I. But I think it's more of an issue for the donor animal. It may be OK for us to decide that kitty1 should recieve a donor kidney otherwise it won't survive, but is it OK to force a healthy kitty2 to donate said kidney? Then it's more of an ethical dilema, i.e. people getting animals from rescue shelters for donor body parts.

    2. Re:Activism for the sake of activism? by Sygnus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      First, you have no idea how UK people love pets.

      So? Parents make identical decisions for their children - there's no consent from the child in those cases either. And as a cat-owner, I consider my cat to be my baby... if she needed a transplant, you're damn right I'll make the decision for her. This [the "ethical concern"] is an absolutely ridiculous argument that has no bearing on how people feel about their pets.

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  2. What about my dog? by zudo · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's discrimination that is

  3. Choice and consent by ptaff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >>particularly over the issue of choice and consent

    We decide for them where they go, what they eat, when to bath, push them away when we want.

    We let them locked inside when there's nobody home, we decide when and why they lose their reproductive abilities. If they need medication, we push it inside their throats.

    Yeah, like people care for choice and consent from cats.

    What kind of freedom is that?!

  4. Where do you get the replacement parts? by Kent_Franken · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, how do you get replacement cat kidneys? Do you wait until a suitable donor dies of natural causes, or do you just butcher the first one that will work?

    1. Re:Where do you get the replacement parts? by Cy+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      forget genetic engineering... make your dream cat frankenstein style

      'cat' already means to merge two entities together, so I guess this operation can be summed up as:

      cat Cat1 Kidney(Cat2) ???

  5. What else could you spend this cash on? by Mark+(ph'x) · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its interesting that people would see fit to spend generous wads of cash on extending the life of a cat by a couple of years. I wouldve thought that the cost of this would be prohibitively expensive... for the average owner as well as the average cat :)

    I also wonder how someone can justify paying this sort of money... thinking of the starving children, etc, etc. Maybe a compulsory tour of a human hospital to look at lack of funding might be in order for people that would pay for this...

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    1. Re:What else could you spend this cash on? by samael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the same could be said of every frippery, from computer games to fast cars (to slow cars) to expensive dinners.

      If you ate rice and fish every day and sent the savings you made to the starving children of Africa, you'd save dozens of lives. I don't see people doing it though.

  6. Actually... by breon.halling · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... my sister is a vet who was working at the University of Florida, Gainseville teaching centre. She's performed the procedure several times. Successfully, too!

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    1. Re:Actually... by Alsee · · Score: 3, Funny

      She's performed the procedure several times.

      Oh my god! What's wrong with your cat?
      Nothing, my cat is fine.
      What are those lumps all over it?!?!
      Oh, those are kidneys. I've transplanted several kidneys into it, and I ran out of room in the usual places.


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  7. Flight Com! I can't hold it! by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 3, Funny

    Steve Austin. Astronaut. A cat barely alive.

    Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first bionic cat. Steve Austin will be that cat. Better than he was before. Better ... stronger ... faster.

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  8. already done in the US? by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Feline kidney transplants have been performed in the USA for a while now, in a number of locations. I read about a hospital in Florida, perhaps the same one referenced by the poster above.

    I recently had one of my cats euthanized for chronic renal failure (he had a blood clot in his legs and tail and couldn't walk, among other things) and I learned how some people spent thousands of dollars to transplant kidneys or perform regular dialysis.

    I didn't read about any particular ethical concerns, just the vets shrugging and saying "if you really want to do it, and you have the money, it's possible".

    But my belief is that 1) it's just a cat, you'll get over any grief; and 2) there comes a point when treating your pet that you are no longer doing it *for* the animal, you're doing it *to* the animal for your own selfish wishes. At that point it's better to euthanize.

    A cat with transplanted kidneys will never be the same anyway, he will have to take constant
    immunosuppressants and other drugs just to stay alive, and will have constant complications and will not be a very happy cat.

    My $0.02 as a cat lover.