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Collecting Stardust

An anonymous reader writes "Washington University in St. Louis space scientists are reporting the first definitive laboratory dissection of an interstellar dust particle, thus pulling out each grain's history individually. When collected at high-altitude, the origin of six grains are from outside our solar system. 'Space' is full of dust, or ejected material from long-dead stars. In this case, 3 of the 6 dust grains are from red giant stars, and perhaps 2 are from supernovae. In the next 5 years, there are six missions targeting a rendezvous with either a comet or asteroid, including the Stardust mission to return the first extraterrestrial samples since Apollo. That only leaves 100 billion comets left to explore in our own solar system's Oort cloud." Update: 02/28 17:22 GMT by M : Fixed university name.

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  1. Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You mean Washington University in St. Louis...

    *not* "University of Washington"

    1. Re:Correction by vortigern00 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anyone who does not regognize Washington University in St. Louis immediately dates themselves as a net newbie...

      It doesn't seem like long ago that wuarchive.wustl.edu was the definitive source of stuff on the net.

      ...and zurich.ai.mit.edu was the definitive source of... other stuff :)

      -Vort

  2. Washington University, Actually. by cbowland · · Score: 3, Informative
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  3. A few corrections, sir by (1337)+God · · Score: 3, Informative
    A few corrections, sir:
    1. We lost 7 people in the Columbia disaster, not 8.
    2. It exploded over Earth, not Middle Earth. Perhaps you should re-join the real and stay away from your sci-fi fantasy movies.
    3. I know this is hard to believe, but it's Iraq that we're going to invade, not Iran. Iran is so '80s.
    4. The world will never be totally fixed. That's why we need to study Space and find out how to get the hell off Earth before it's too late ;-)
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  4. Skeptical by FosterSJC · · Score: 1, Informative

    Now, I know the articles I'm about to site are about identifying possible extra-terrestrial life, but I believe that calling atmospheric dust extra-solar is just as specious.

    The first article is about the supposed space bacteria collected off of a weather balloon at high altitudes. You've got to be kidding me... That stuff did not just float thousands of light years just to get caught and identified off a weather balloon not even in space.

    The second article concerns the Murchison meteorite. This one they know came from outer space and still cant tell whether it had Earthy or Non-Earthy critters living inside.

    My point is that the possibility of contamination and disturbance of the results in experiments looking at both organic and inorganic compounds is astronomical (pardon the pun). I agree with an above post: some grad student didn't wash his hands after going to the bathroom and touched a sample.

    1. Re: Skeptical by thelexx · · Score: 5, Informative

      A little reading would go a long way in your search for truth.

      From the linked article:

      Using the NanoSIMS probe, the Washington University investigators then measured the relative amounts of two isotopes of oxygen in more than a thousand grains from nine IDPs. The data told them which grains had come from stars.

      From a link in the article:

      The NanoSIMS is a first-of-its-kind ion microprobe in the Laboratory for Space Sciences in Arts & Sciences and is housed on the fourth floor of Compton Hall. The $2 million instrument is the first in the world built to analyze the isotopic and elemental composition of extremely small samples, such as interplanetary dust particles, at a sub-micrometer scale, allowing a first-time look at those particles' subcomponents.

      And from a link on the NanoSIMS homepage:

      Results: Of all the subgrains defined in 25 images from 9 cluster IDPs, roughly 1031 were measured with sufficient precision to distinguish solar material from circumstellar dust as shown in Figure 1. Only grains > 200 nm were measured with this level of precision. Six of these grains have O isotopic compositions which fall well outside the range of solar system materials, marking them as stellar condensates.

      Seems to me like these cats know what they are doing.

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  5. Re:How do people figure this stuff out? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 4, Informative

    The usual way to trace the place of origin of a sample (meteorites, dust, whatever) is to look at the ratio of isotopes of certain elements. In this case, they used two oxygen isoptopes. Objects in our solar system tend to have a particular ratio, all the material having formed from the same nebula 4.6 billion years ago. Material with a very different isotope ratio probably comes from outside the system, then.

    This method isn't without it's risks, of course. There are processes which might enhance or deplete a body in a particular isotope over it's kin. But I'm not thinking of any that would work on a dust grain, assuming it had ever been part of a planet.

  6. Re:I gotta ask... by Andy_R · · Score: 2, Informative

    according to the article...

    "Using the NanoSIMS probe, the Washington University investigators then
    measured the relative amounts of two isotopes of oxygen in more than a
    thousand grains from nine interplanetary dust particles. The data told them which grains had come from stars."

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  7. Re:That's Washington University, moron by idiot900 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I go to Washington University right now. We Wash U people are used to this. Anytime we talk to family they say things like "Seattle is pretty rainy isn't it?" You'd think more people would have heard of a major research university with billions of dollars in its endowment. Sadly this is not the case. No love lost, we understand :)

  8. Re:That's Washington University, moron by Alan+Shutko · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's mostly the college administration that is upset by "Wash U", since they're ever seeking higher ratings in the USN&WR college ranking and feel that Wash U isn't "respectable" enough.

    As far as I know, the women who went to Wash U don't feel any differently... no, just polled one alumna, my wife, and she doesn't care.

    If you really want to upset Wash U alums remind them their school is responsible for foisting wu-ftpd on the world....