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Lexmark Wins Injunction in Toner Cartridge Suit

goingincirclez writes "Cnet reports that Lexmark has won an injunction against Static Control Components, Inc., which effectively prohibits the manufacture of recycled / third party toner cartidges. Slashdot covered the initial filing of the suit. SCC also has a rebuttal site that definitely warrants checking out. I would like to think that other printer manufacturers won't follow suit, but I'm not that naive. Better start your trust fund for ink cartridges."

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  1. Beter yet... by esconsult1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Start using Laser Printers.. o wait...

    1. Re:Beter yet... by $$$$$exyGal · · Score: 3, Funny
      I don't get it.

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    2. Re:Beter yet... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Start using Laser Printers.. o wait..."

      As funny as this is, there is a point to be made here. Roughly a year ago I bought a $300 laser printer made by Brother. (it's $250 today) I'm still on the original cartridge. I'm probably would have bought at least 2 or 3 ink replacement cartridges for my old inkjet by now. Frankly, I don't like futzing with that. Sometimes the ink just evaporates.

      Right now it costs about $60 to replace the cartridge. $85 gets me a cartridge with double the capacity. $180 gets me 6x the capacity of the original cartridge.

      That may be a little steep of an investment, but imagine buying the $250 printer + $180 drum (after the original cartridge is empty a year or two later) and never having to worry about it again.

      Ah those are the daaaaaaaaaaaaays.

  2. This is going to get pathetic by jlk_71 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I cannot see how this is ever going to turn out good for the consumer. This will enable the makers of printers to almost charge whatever they want for their cartridges.

    #jlk

    1. Re:This is going to get pathetic by jglazko · · Score: 2

      I was merely annoyed to hear this until I went to a local retailer to buy a black ink cartridge for my Lexmark inkjet. $32.99!!!

      It may have been my subjective viewpoint after reading that article, but this price seems exorbitant (or maybe I'm just a cheap b*stard). It also seemed to me to be higher than the price for cartridges for competing printers.

      I'm disgusted to think I can buy a basic color inkjet printer for about the cost of color + black cartridges for this one. What a waste of resources.

    2. Re:This is going to get pathetic by Berylium · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This will enable the makers of printers to almost charge whatever they want for their cartridges.

      Having worked at Best Buy I can tell you that the markup on toner is how they make their money. Buying at 5% above cost an employee may save a couple bucks on the printer itself, but on ink you save almost half. Not that this is really news to anybody but it's certainly the reason Lexmark doesn't want anyone else selling ink for their printers: it invades their revenue stream.

    3. Re:This is going to get pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't it Best Buy's revenue stream you're talking about? Why would Lexmark be interested in keeping Best Buy's margin high?

      I guess you could argue that Lexmark has a similar margin to Best Buy, but you've shown no evidence of that here.

    4. Re:This is going to get pathetic by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny
      There's a reason those cartridges cost so much. Quality ink is always made from the finest rare Cognac. Since Cognac can cost almost $1000 for a 1 liter bottle, and an inkjet cartridge contains about an ounce of ink, you're actually getting about $30 of cognac, and there's very little markup involved.

      (Or maybe I'm getting this backwards. Fine cognac might be expensive because it's made from inkjet ink... I don't remember; I'll have to look it up.)

    5. Re:This is going to get pathetic by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oddly enough, American law can still come in useful. File a class action suit against Lexmark for price gouging.

      Be sure to document the method and cost of designing and manufacturing 3rd-party cartridges.

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    6. Re:This is going to get pathetic by Blue+Stone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well you could always write to Lexmark, and tell them that you're going to boycott their products unless they cease this sort of thing.
      I did. I told them that I was going to dump my Lexmark printer (I got it "free" with my pc) and buy one of their competitors' models, if I didn't hear that they'd dropped the DMCA case.
      Those Canon multi-tanked jobs look quite nice.

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    7. Re:This is going to get pathetic by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I cannot see how this is ever going to turn out good for the consumer. This will enable the makers of printers to almost charge whatever they want for their cartridges."

      *Devil's Advocate Mode*

      On the flip side, there's incentive for printer manufacturers to keep developing new and interesting printers at lower and lower prices. That may not sound all that interesting to you, but I think it's damn cool that I recently bought a laser printer for only $300. I thought those things would forever stay in the > $1000 range.

      As for your comment about them charging whatever they want, that's not entirely true. If they get crazy, people will pay attention to the cost of ink when they go to buy the printer. I can tell you that I've personally done that. I don't own an ink-jet anymore because I think the cost of a small container of ink is ridiculous. If cheap-ink alternatives aren't available, then the manufacturer has done a pretty good job of branding themselves as expensive. Ever look at a row of printer ink and see the sea of $30 price tags?

      I agree with you that it sucks in one way, but it can potentially suck the other way as well. Seems like we either get cheap printers OR we get cheap ink. I've yet to see both.

    8. Re:This is going to get pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ink cartridges and laser toner cartridges are completely different. The real reasons that the ink cartridge is so expensive (compared to the price of a new printer) is both the markup on the cartridges by the manufacturers/retailers and also that the print head is built into the cartridge (at least on the printers I've used). That allows HP/Lewxmark/Canon to make dirt cheap inkjet printers, and charge $35 for a black cartridge. There was an old saying when razors with replacable blades/heads came out: "razor manufacturers don't make money selling razors, they make money selling razor blades". Same thing here. The cheap (but these days, pretty good) print heads on the ink cartridges only have to last a little while, until the ink itself runs out.

      Toner cartridges are just the toner itself, The 'print head' is built into the printer (yes, I know it is not realy a 'print head' but this is just an analogy). That is why the laser printer has to be a little better quality, manufacturing-wise, since the laser drum has to last longer.

    9. Re:This is going to get pathetic by blibbleblobble · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I told them that I was going to dump my Lexmark printer and buy one of their competitors' models."

      Please explain how buying another printer hurts the printer industry?

      When I heard about this, I told the four or five people I knew who were planning to buy printers. They didn't buy Lexmark, and I'm glad to have informed them.

    10. Re:This is going to get pathetic by Natalie's+Hot+Grits · · Score: 2, Informative

      We sell HP and lexmark inks where I work. Trust me, the markup isn't from the retailer. There is a (very) slight possibility that our distributer is gouging us, but our cheapest vendor is only slightly less than our most expensive vendor in the ink world. I can say for almost a 100% certainty that the ink price gouging comes from the manufacturer. This is the exact opposite to the cable industry, where computer cables are marked up between 100% and 500% by the retailer (this is from the MSRP, which we don't follow). Since we use our same markup on these cables are our other products, we have undercut our local competition in cables by over 100-500% in almost every instance.

      Interestingly, we sell an HP color inkjet printer for 76$, and we sell the ink cartriges for that printer for 89$ (this is the price for both color and black). We have the same margin on all 3 products. Lexmark does the same exact thing, but we don't sell their printers, just the inks.

      We have a guy that comes around and picks up our empty inks that people bring back for us to recycle. We can get 1-5 dollars each (model, brand dependant). They ship them to africa to be refilled, and then resold later in asia. One reason is because of this copyright BS lexmark is pushing on everyone.

      Contrary to popular belief, the circuitry and printhead on the cartrige itself is what costs the most. The guy we sell our used inks to can get up to $10-$15 on some models, and the people refilling them are still making a profit even after shipping them across the world, refilling, cleaning, and reselling them for less than new. I have personally refilled my black cartriges for less than $5 each refill, and only after a few refills does the print quality go down (due to worn out print head)

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  3. Better yet.... by SpaceCadetTrav · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just print everything at work.

  4. OUR? government by Sabalon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of the people, by the people, for the people?

    Oh...fuck the people. They left that one off.

    1. Re:OUR? government by dattaway · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You paid your taxes too willingly. Corporations donate voluntarily to barter favors. Government likes to negotiate. Its how an organism grows most effectively.

  5. Not sure this is the wrong decision by Alderete · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While I'm certainly not a fan of the DMCA, I'm not sure this is a poor decision by the courts, etc. I think that it's probably reasonable for Lexmark to be able to forbid third-parties from selling supplies, if that's a business decision they want to make.

    However, I don't think that, even if they ultimately win this case all the way up the line, that this is a winning business strategy. I certainly am not going to buy a printer that is tied exclusively to the manufacturer.

    This can't be good publicity for Lexmark; every story is explaining that the manufacturer's supplies are more expensive. That's got to have consumers thinking about buying from HP, or Epson, or whomever.

    I think this is a classic case of shooting yourself in the foot, and then sueing for the privilege of doing so again.

    1. Re:Not sure this is the wrong decision by slow_flight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And when exactly will you be informed that you are purchasing a printer that has a single supplier for refills? Do you suppose that there will be a big, screaming banner on the box stating that for now and forever you will be raped by overpriced single-source refills? Probably not.

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    2. Re:Not sure this is the wrong decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While I'm certainly not a fan of the DMCA, I'm not sure this is a poor decision by the courts, etc. I think that it's probably reasonable for Lexmark to be able to forbid third-parties from selling supplies, if that's a business decision they want to make.


      No, it's not. It's not reasonable for GM to put an additive in a GM-brand gas, and have GM cars only run on that. It's not reasonable for Lexmark to force you to use lexmark-brand ink.

      Now, if they were to say that using 3rd-party ink violated the warranty, and detected that, so if you had a printer gunged up by a cheap knock-off ink they wouldn't replace it, then that's reasonable. But a blanket "you can't use it" isn't.

    3. Re:Not sure this is the wrong decision by sweetooth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are joking right? Have you looked at the prices of Epson or HP cartridges? They are horribly expensive just like the Lexmark supplies. Also, if companies like Lexmark are allowed to decide what manufacturers are allowed to sell supplies for thier printers what is to stop car manufacturers from forcing car buyers to purchase specific types of gasoline or oil? Sure it's not a perfect analogy but it's close enough. It should be the consumers right to use whatever supplies they want with thier printer. You did buy it after all. What's the next step? Only being allowed to you Lexmark approved paper in your printer? I'm sure it will only be 100-200% more than the bargain brand that you were using before.

      This is exactly why I have an old HP LaserJet 4 Plus that I got off of ebay. Every once in a while the toner cartridge will need to be replaced, but for my needs I fill the cartridge once a year or so with a $14 refill kit. The last ink jet printer I had used ink like crazy, and if you didn't use all the ink up they dried out and you had to prelace them anyway. Color cartridges for the POS were $45 and the black cartridge was $35. I may as well have thrown the printer away and bought a new one every time at those prices.

    4. Re:Not sure this is the wrong decision by Alyeska · · Score: 5, Funny
      I may as well have thrown the printer away and bought a new one every time at those prices.

      Some time ago, friends of mine here (in AK) began doing just that. They did the math, discovered it was cheaper to buy a new printer from [major membership-type warehouse outlet] each time a cartridge ran out. Perfectly good printers became targets for a wide variety of projectile weapons.

    5. Re:Not sure this is the wrong decision by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 2, Insightful
      How many _consumers_ actually do that when they are buying the printer in the first place?

      No, my friend, that step doesn't happen until the half full cartridge that shipped with the printer runs dry; and then it is too late!

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    6. Re:Not sure this is the wrong decision by anon*127.0.0.1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's the whole point, isn't it? You could buy a cartridge from another company that would fit in your Lexmark printer. They're going to court to try and make it so you can't do that any more.

      If they win the court decision, and if it doesn't hurt their market share, other companies will do the same thing. Or maybe they will anyway. Manufacturers might figure that if they all screw the consumer simultaneously, they can all get rich together.

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    7. Re:Not sure this is the wrong decision by quintessent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You've nailed it on the head. The current sales scheme relies on the ignorance of the customer at the time of purchase ("Cheap printer? OK!"). That's almost as bad as an outright bait and switch.

      What next? Is Nabisco going to start telling me which brand of milk I have to use on my cereal? Will Windows require me to own a Microsoft mouse? Will my amplifier require their brand of speakers? Will my GE lamp only work with their light bulbs (don't get any ideas, GE)?

    8. Re:Not sure this is the wrong decision by sweetooth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The issue is that gas and paper are not under the controlling interests of auto manufacturers nor printer manufacturers.

      For now, and not entirely true. Have you seen how much HP makes from selling paper?

      The specific inkjet nossel, or toner cartrage is highly customized to fit the particular printer. Thus it's entirely possible to use the DMCA to conceal the API, or the patent the particular usage of the device.

      The gas nossel, or intake system is highly customized to fit the particular car. Thus it's entirely possible to use the DMCA to conceal the API, or the patent the particular usage of the device.

      Someone that makes paper can do so for any number of printers; and thus can't have an injunction.

      What's to stop HP from putting RFID tags in thier paper products and ensuring that only HP paper is used in thier printers? Absolutely nothing. It also would be protectable under the DMCA.

      Someone that goes out of their way to produce a cartraige that fits a particular printer has an obvious intent, and thus is at least susceptable to court harrasment.

      Open to court harrassment due to bad law. However that's just my opinion. Unless it can be proven that the cartridges violate a patent this shouldn't even be wasting a courts time.

      What Lexmark and friends do is put 90% of their technology into their print-head. This makes the design slightly more expensive but it garuntees that you can't take advantage of alternative vendors.

      It doesn't gaurantee anything. They hope that by putting 90% of thier technology into the print head you won't be able to use alternate vendors, but it doesn't gaurantee anything. Only through legal means are they able to effectivly stomp out competition. If the vendors are violating a patent then that is the direction a lawsuit should be taken. However putting a chip on the cartidges that reports the cartidges status and using that as a copy protection mechanism is simply assinine.

      As it stands today I can drive over to any auto parts store in town and have a selection of air filters for my vehicle. If Honda followed in the footsteps of Lexmark I could expect that the next revision of my car would have a special mechanism to report that the airfilter was dirty and needed replacing. Due to the special mechanism I would only be able to buy a Honda air filter. Any third party manufacturer would be sued under the DMCA if they attempted to provide an air filter for that vehicle as they would have to "circumvent" the reporting mechanism for their air filter to work.

      Is that a better analogy for you?

    9. Re:Not sure this is the wrong decision by nlinecomputers · · Score: 2, Informative

      And when exactly will you be informed that you are purchasing a printer that has a single supplier for refills? Do you suppose that there will be a big, screaming banner on the box stating that for now and forever you will be raped by overpriced single-source refills? Probably not.

      Well I sell/upgrade/repair computers and people ask me all the time "What is the best __________ ?" When they ask *ME* about printers I tell them not to buy Lexmark. I think they are junk anyway. This is just one more issue.

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    10. Re:Not sure this is the wrong decision by Masem · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The foundation of a free market includes the aspect of a knowledgable consumer that is aware of all choices available to him and the various up/downsides of those choices. However, it's up to the consumer to discover those choices before the purchase is made; while the producers have to make such information available, they by no means are required to thrust that information at the consumer.

      Part of the problem with what we call the "free market" today is that consumers are not following the "free market" model, and the parent post is an excellent example of this. Most people will buy the cheapest item or the one with the most brand-recognition or so-forth, instead of knowing what the pros and cons of each choice are. They're passive in their market knowledge and thus it's easy to sway them with marketing and advertizing.

      Now, there's nothing stopping a truly informed consumer as in the grandparent post (looking at the 3rd party resellers for a given model) from being empowered as a consumer as per the free market model (*). And more power to those that actually do this, as opposed to making a purchasing decision blindly.

      (*) Of course, EULAs that prevent product benchmarks and comparisons and other tactics can get in the way, but for the most part, the information is out there, you just need to find it.

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    11. Re:Not sure this is the wrong decision by DutchSter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, it's not. It's not reasonable for GM to put an additive in a GM-brand gas, and have GM cars only run on that. It's not reasonable for Lexmark to force you to use lexmark-brand ink.

      Now, if they were to say that using 3rd-party ink violated the warranty, and detected that, so if you had a printer gunged up by a cheap knock-off ink they wouldn't replace it, then that's reasonable. But a blanket "you can't use it" isn't.


      Actually your car analogy reminds me of an interesting point. It is illegal for vehicle manufacturers to require that you use only their replacable parts (I'm talking oil, filters, etc, not engines and whatnot). It is legal for them to void your warranty for using non OEM parts only if they provide them to you free of charge.

      Wouldn't that be a hoot - you can tell me I can only use Lexmark cartridges, void my warranty if I don't, but you have to give them to me for free. :)

  6. Printing is sooooo last centery. by Znonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean seriously, why do people cling to such an outdated technology? When it comes to documents why not just print to PDF and email it?

    Read it on the screen people, not on paper!

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    1. Re:Printing is sooooo last centery. by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because my monitor is too heavy to bring on the train. And there's no plugs.

      I guess I could tape a printout to the monitor, and put the monitor on a cart of some kind... Oh wait, we don't want to print.

      I guess I could read the pdf and commit it to memory. D'oh, but another person can't read my mind (at least since I lined my toque with tinfoil).

      Well, I'm out of ideas...

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    2. Re:Printing is sooooo last centery. by Leto2 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My first reaction was to mod you down as a troll, but instead I'll reply.

      • It's hard to read a PDF when you printed directions to take with you in your car
      • The embassy that I'm applying for a visa at doesn't take PDFs, just paper
      • While I know that PDF has the capability of editing in place, I still prefer a pen and paper when it comes to proofreading dodumentation
      • The vi quick ref card that I printed and put up next to my monitor is more useful than switching to the webpage everytime I forget an option.

      Just 4 things I printed just this morning...

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    3. Re:Printing is sooooo last centery. by dubiousmike · · Score: 2, Funny

      hmm - everyone has such insightful things to say. Let me print this thread out to bring on my morning commute.

      wait a second!

      cancel
      cancel
      cancel
      CANCEL

      *sigh*

    4. Re:Printing is sooooo last centery. by maraist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry, but tablet PC's, notebooks and especially PC's don't match the readibility of the printed page. At least not yet.

      The printed page allows you to cheaply have a group meeting where individuals make annotations, read-ahead / reread-behind independently of the presentation. An electronic device per person assumes interconnectivity (real issue when you're dealing with 3rd parties), and availability. (Company-wide meetings don't do well for providing every intern a laptop).

      Also, I've yet to see a pen-style aparatus that's as easy to use as pen+paper. Putting your brain down on paper requires artistic freedom that the rigid uniformity of typed-text or even paintbrush-style apps can't yet provide.

      If you're at school, it's unlikely that all your classes will allow e-submissions of your works. Especially if they're handing out form/exams for which to fill out.

      If you're trying to comunicate with older relatives that boycott computers (yes there are still many alive and kicking), it's an absolute necessity.

      Paper is still an order of magnitude more compact than a laptop (which generally desires tons of accessories). Personally, I still boycott laptops. The only requirement is to make sure that every place that you frequent have net access.

      The paperless office was a pipe-dream - As the saying goes - If anything, computers have grown the requirements for paper many fold.

      This isn't to say we shouldn't strive for it. Just that the lexmark issue is very real; especially given the clientelle of lexmark (budget minded home users and students).

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  7. Wouldn't this lend itself to a new business model. by BoomerSooner · · Score: 2

    Create a good printer with an open spec on cartridges and make them refillable (sell the refill kits). It's better for consumers, it's better for the environment and the printer company can still make good profits.

    Oh wait, I forgot all businesses (especially HP who makes enormous profit off cartridges) are essentially C. Montgomery Burns. If they could block the sun, they would.

  8. Yes, this is fair... by Sgs-Cruz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Because paying things like $40 (American that is... try like $60 up here in Canada) for a stinking ink cartridge is the most fair thing in the world. As long as there the third-party companies are not using the original companies name on their ink-cartridge, I don't see how they're breaking the law. Ford and GM have all the rights in the world to sell high-priced replacement parts, but people are perfectly free to use cheap Taiwanese replacements. The Big Three combat this using a thing called Marketing.

    If the genuine Lexmark ink cartridges are that good, then they shouldn't have a problem convincing people to buy genuine ones. Oh wait... the ink cartridges are only expensive because of an artificial monopoly on replacement parts? Not because they're actually that good? Yeah, that's what I thought.

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  9. Good News for Dell by crow · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is good news for Dell. They'll be selling their own printers in about a month, and anything that makes other manufacturers look bad will help them gain marketshare. What will be interesting is to see how Dell plays in the ink cartridge business. Will they try to be like everyone else, or will they try to do to ink prices what they've done to PC prices?

  10. I'll never buy another lexmark printer by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I bought their Optra C710 color laser about a year. I thought I was getting a deal at $1200, but it is the worst printer I have ever owned.

    It came with all toner cartridges only 25% filled. This was not mentioned anywhere on the box or on the web site where I ordered.

    The printer has actually functioned maybe half of the time that we've owned it. Two on-site service calls later, and we're still having problems:

    • Why does it say paper jam when there is no paper jam?
    • "Coating roll life warning" and "transfer belt warning" come up all the time, even right after fresh ones are installed
    • Duplexing option jams on every 100th sheet
    • Print often seems to stick to the transfer belt and gets "ghosted" onto subsequent pages
    • The printer just disappears from the network at least once per day and needs a hard reboot


    In contrast, our HP laserjet has NEVER missed a beat. Look I know this is not a representative sample or anything, but there are clearly DESIGN flaws with this printer and it should not be on the market. Even after multiple service calls it does not work.
    1. Re:I'll never buy another lexmark printer by govtcheez · · Score: 2, Funny

      Did anyone else automatically get a mental picture of Samir from Office Space when they read that?

      "Why does it say paper jam when there is no paper jam! I swear to God, one of these days, I, I, I kick this piece of SHIT out the window!"

  11. This is really lame... by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The suit is being filed under the DMCA because they circumvented the sensor on the printer.

    How the hell do these toner cartridges affect the printer manufacturer's copyright? DMCA is supposed to be about protecting so-called intellectual property. That clearly is NOT the use to which it is being put here.

    What's next? My "Check Engine Soon" light will be programmed to come on from time to time and the on-board computer will make the car run badly until the proper "reset" signal is used? And don't try to figure out the reset code yourself - you'd be in violation of the DMCA!

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  12. this is ridiculous! by countzer0interrupt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "In other news, General Motors win a successful injunction against Michelin for producing replacement tyres for their cars. Now only GM's proprietary brands may be used..."

    Surely this must be anti-competitive? If a company providing the hardware has exclusive rights over parts needed to use that hardware, then they have a monopoly in the sense they can charge WTF they like for those consumables. It's ludicrous.

    But then again, maybe market forces will decide this one... people will usually move away from the restrictive rip-off brands, as long as there is an alternative.

  13. Re:You're missing the point by umofomia · · Score: 2, Insightful
    _They_ did not give permission for anyone else to manufacture a product which will work with their printers. That would mean licensing which is not taking place.
    But Lexmark doesn't have a patent on their cartridges, so this doesn't apply. Anyone should be able to manufacture a competing product.
  14. Oh no! by fireboy1919 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The lowest quality brand of printer on the market has decided that people can't copy their cartridges!

    What's next?

    Will it be illegal to make generic versions of RC Cola?

    Illegal to make work-alikes to "No-Ad" sunblock?

    No one will be able to make anything that looks like a Ford Pinto? Or one of these cars?

    What is this world coming to!

    Well, at least I can still buy Tandy 5000 compatible computers.

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  15. Re:You're missing the point by sapone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And who says that I need approval to produce products that interoperate with the products of another manufacturer? That's so silly, it's as if a hammer manufacturer could force you to buy his (overpriced) nails if you bought his (cheap) hammer. The market just doesn't work that way. Things like this are a recent development, and there is no absolutely no justification for it. When someone sells me something, he gives up his rights on it, and it should be my own choice how and with what I use ist. And it should be other peoples' choice to produce that with which I might want to use the item I bought...

    America is a strange country...

  16. A wet dream for firms to build artificial monopoly by aepervius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Exepect such chips to appear in every kind of items where you have consummable, or additional part needed. Now that a judgement has been upholded that you can use the DMCA to stamp out somebody making a cheaper replacement, you can artificially make your own monopoly. Buy Ford Tire ? We have this new chip we check for air pressure in it ! Secure and stuff. You want to replace it ? Oh, bad luck you have to do it at our condition in a ford garage. Oh, and don't try to put another tire the car won't start (security check on tire pressure fail).

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  17. Re:Yes, Windows is a common term by neitzsche · · Score: 3, Informative

    Have you ever had to replace a broken tail-light? Auto manufacturers *are* copyrighting their designs only to prevent competitors from providing inexpensive replacement parts.

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  18. Re:You're missing the point by sconeu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope you use only GM oil filters, GM oil, GM air filters, and none of those illegal third party auto parts in your car.

    After all, GM developed their engines.

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  19. Lexmark Shooting Itself In the Foot, Really... by ausoleil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...right now, they are concerned about the cash cow of their printers. They specifically designed a machine that requires their own cartridges and then candied it over with claims of higher quality, etc. Even the average consumer knows better than that -- they created a system that hides behind litigation to protect their market share.

    That's fine, but the market will have the last word -- for example, I will not buy a Lexmark printer. It won't be because of a political statement of any kind but rather one based on practicality -- they have increased their total cost of ownership to the point where it doesn't make sense for me to go and purchase their gear.

    If ongoing consumables gets to be unreasonable, due to a legally mandated monopoly, people will move away from existing installations as well.

  20. Dot Matrix! by xchino · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm telling you man, it's the printer of the future! You don't have to replace ink! It tells you when your printing has start, and finished through an excellent system of horrible screeching! You can buy a box of paper and never have to reload a tray! Plus, you get alot of extra strips of paper with the perforated tracks, which you can use to make nests for some of the local fauna!

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  21. The inevitable DOJ question... by cindik · · Score: 2, Funny

    When does scc-inc.com get redirected to the DOJ website?

  22. Get it from the EU then... by THEbwana · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well - this problem seems to be impacting the ppl from North America. Check below for the current status within the EU - if someone knows of any new developments - please post!

    Dow Jones Business News
    EU Parliament Bans Proprietory Printer Cartridge Policy
    Wednesday December 18, 10:40 am ET

    BRUSSELS -(Dow Jones)- In a blow to Hewlett-Packard Co. (NYSE:HPQ - News; HP) and other printer companies, the European Parliament voted unanimously Wednesday to ban them from forcing consumers to buy manufacturers' own-brand ink refills.

    The printer-ink provision was included in a last-minute amendment to a bill requiring manufacturers of electronic goods to pay for recycling them. Conservatives supported it as a consumer-friendly action, while environmentalists welcomed it as a green measure.

    "Consumers who are fed up with being ripped off when they need to replace the ink cartridges in their computer printers will be pleased with the requirement," said Robert Goodwill, a Conservative member of the parliament who sponsored the amendment.

    The bill comes into effect in 2006.

    Many color printers cost about EUR100 to buy, but replacement cartridges run as much as EUR40 each, Goodwill said. Companies have sprung up offering cheaper cartridge ink refills. But Goodwill said manufacturers had limited the use of the refills by installing computer chips on their original cartridges.

    "When the cartridges are refilled, the printer comes up with an error message and many users are forced to buy expensive new cartridges from manufacturers," Goodwill said.

    The practice may be harmful to the environment, as it limits recycling, and to consumers, but it has been beneficial to printer companies. H-P's ink and toner refills bring in about $10 billion annually, or about 15% of its annual revenue.

    H-P dominates the market. According to consulting company CAP, H-P now has 44% of the $11 billion West-European market for printer ink, with Seiko Corp.'s Epson (J.SKO) unit with about 25%, Canon Inc. (CAJ) with 18% and Lexmark International Inc. (NYSE:LXK - News) with 10%.

    Suppliers who refill ink cartridges or sell knockoffs have about one-fourth of the market, according to CAP. But their share is static.

    Their complaints have attracted the attention of European Union Competition Commissioner Mario Monti. In May, he said regulators were looking into possible anticompetitive behavior by some printer makers.

    "There's probably a case here for us," Monti said at the time. Since then, the Commission has been silent on the issue.

    Complaints from refillers also attracted parliamentarian Goodwill. He visited the local Cartridge World shop in York and came away determined to insert the amendment into the larger bill about recycling of electronics goods. He and a Green parliamentarian first inserted the amendment back in October.

    But the German government supported the printer companies' attempts to remove it this week. Bargaining between parliamentarians and governments went until 3 a.m. Wednesday morning, Goodwill said.

    "The Germans wanted to defend their chemical companies which make this ink for the printer companies," he said. "When we threatened to hold up the entire recycling bill, they finally dropped their objections."

    The printer companies still can appeal to the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg. H-P declined to comment. Spokespeople for Canon and Lexmark said they were unaware of the issue.

    -By William Echikson, Dow Jones Newswires; 32-2-285-0134; william.echikson@ dowjones.com

    Dow Jones Newswires
    12-18-02 1040ET

  23. Hurray! This is great! by thorrbjorn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, I'm serious. This court ruling makes me very happy.

    Why? The DMCA is an unjust law, and as someone wiser than I once said, the best way to get an unjust law struck down is to vigorously enforce it.

    Joe and Jane Sixpack don't care about some Russian company's software or some professors speach. They probably aren't even aware of them. But if they can't get cheap ink cartriges anymore ... that might get their attention.

  24. Re:Yes, Windows is a common term by mfrank · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And if Ford put a DMCA-covered chip in the filter, and your car wouldn't start unless the filter had the chip, Ford could force you into buying factory filters.

  25. Re:You're missing the point by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they had a patent, I'd agree with you, and this would be a non-issue.

    But they dont have a patent, and they cant get one. So they circumvent patent law using the DMCA, all they have to do is stick a little chip in the cartridges that the printer detects, and if you circumvent that, you're in violation.

    The tech industry is getting chock full of companies trying to protect with copyrights or trademarks that which they cant protect with patents.

    For instance, the PSX (and PS2) forces the sony logo onscreen as part of its bootup sequence and protection scheme - it must be on the disc to boot. So when Action Replay/Gameshark came out, they had to put the logo on their unlicensed disks for it to work in a real machine. Sony, who couldnt patent the boot-up process of the console, then sued them for trademark infringment for using the PS2 logo. A judge struck it down, saying they couldnt protect with a TM something that was unpatentable.

    Copyright, patent and trademark exist for distinct purposes and with restrictions. Enough with the cutesy legal tricks to bypass those restrictions.

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  26. HP says it won't follow suit by jACL · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From a Businessweek article: 'More important, Hewlett-Packard (HPQ ), which dominates both the printer and the $7 billion toner market, has no intention of following Lexmark's course. "We believe in customer choice," says Pradeep Jotwani, the senior vice-president who heads HP's lucrative imaging-supplies business. "If they want to buy from remanufacturers, that's fine. It's our job to make them not want to."'

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  27. Keep the chip, replace the toner by hirschma · · Score: 4, Informative

    I subvert Lexmark's plans by refilling my old toner carts with stuff from this vendor. While it's somewhat more difficult a process than just installing a new cart, I save over $150 with each refill.

    Not affiliated with TonerRefillKits.com, just a happy customer. Don't be put off by their crappy website - the stuff ships out quick, is fairly priced, and works as advertised.

  28. Same battle, different players by cmburns69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This battle has been fought before, if not in the courts than in the marketplace.

    Without saying anything about the quality of certain brands, what really allowed the PC to become the dominant computer over Macintosh was the fact that PC parts were commodities. This allowed the prices of PC parts to remain low, increasing demand.

    If Lexmark continues to block other manufacturers from creating Lexmark compatible cartriges, another printer manufacturer will realize the benefits of increased market share, and allow their printers to use cheaper ink.

    Just ask any economist!

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  29. I worked at SCC by unix+guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Although I've not been at SCC for over 6 years, I must commend SCC on their uncanny ability to reverse-engineer ANYTHING related to printer cartidges. While I was there HP released a cartridge purported to be impossible to open (5Si), therefore impossible to recondition. These guys immediately manufactured a machine designed to cut them open without harm, and all the parts to refit it. Copyright infringement is not something I would accuse them of, and being extremely good at what they do should not be against the law.

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  30. Good riddance by vasqzr · · Score: 3, Informative


    As an "IT Manager" I get 2-10 calls a day from people trying to sell me toner cartridges. The usual pitch goes something like this:

    "Hello Mr. Smith, my name is Todd and I'm calling from ABC products. We develop our own high tech toner cartridges and they are the best on the market. What I'd like to do is send you a cartridge; at no cost to you, so can you can see our quality product."

    I know of a client who actually went along with it, and they were shipped a pallet of these things and billed for like $2,100.

    Anyway...I have always found that genuine HP cartridges are the best value. We buy so many of them, we only pay a few bucks more than the imitations. Plus, even my users can tell when we've put a imitation cartridge in, instead of the genuine HP toner.

  31. Lots of legal anti-precedent? by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought there were some pretty high profile cases many years ago where one of the razor makers (Gillette?) tried to shut out other companies from making blades compatible with their razors but it was ruled that they could not restrict other blade makers.

    Also, wasn't there a case where Polaroid tried to keep (Kodak? or was it the other way around) from making film for their cameras? (and then in the Mainframe arena there was some lawsuit between IBM and Amdahl where IBM was trying to keep Amdahl's tape units out of IBM's mainframes - IBM lost as I recall). These are all pretty fuzzy rememberances, perhaps someone who knows these cases could comment?

    Anyway, something seems pretty screwy here, it seems like there is a lot of precedent out there that is totally opposite of this ruling.

  32. Incompetence or bribery? by alizard · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What is the going rate for a judge? I wonder who at Lexmark knows the answer to this question?

    Alternately, this was an honest decision made by a judge so technologically illiterate that he can't understand the issues and came to his decision by counting the lawyers at the defendants and plaintiff's tables.

    IIRC, there are court precedents that say that if a company is a franchise vendor, selling franchises does NOT mean you can force the franchisees to buy only from the franchise vendors, and I think there are other examples of situations similar to that one where the courts turned thumbs down on the kind of restraint of trade Lexmark is trying to pull using the DMCA.

  33. What about car parts? by Syn+Ack · · Score: 3, Insightful


    There have been several cases/laws brought to light in order to allow someone to use aftermarket parts to repair their car. You can go down to your local Canadian Tire (or PEP Boys in the US) and buy just about any replacement part for your car. Brakes, Brake pads, window motors, water pumps, gas tanks, just about anything you need to repair the mechanicals of a car.

    Question... How is a printer any different? If my engine burned out I shouldn't have to go and buy a new engine! If I want to go to the scrap yard and perhaps get one pulled from a wreck that's my legal right. How can this same argument not be applied to the toner cartridge in a printer? Better yet if you assoicate toner to gas imagine if the gas in your car was vehicle specific. Having to buy GM gas from GM gas stations! That's not just wrong it's completely INSANE!

    I just payed $84cdn to get new ink for my Canon as I elected to buy the Canon brand. However I didn't see a choice when I was in the store, it was Canon or nothing for my Canon printer. Sure I could have bought one of those

    Wow, today is a dark day for competition indeed!

    Syn Ack.

    - Calgon take me away!

  34. Yet ANOTHER misleading story..... by danoatvulaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, Lexmark got an injunction... a PRELIMINARY one. That only means that those which they are suing, Static Control, cannot make/sell/whatever is in the injunction, pending the outcome of the case. It DOES NOT mean that NO ONE can manufacture replacement cartridges. It is only a temporary measure to halt production in the meantime until there is a judgment. While not good for Static Control, it does NOT signal the death knell for cartridge replacement.

  35. Hurray for LexMarks business model ... Not by johnjaydk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Excuse me for seeing this comming but ...

    Who the hell is stupid enough to buy a Lexmark inkjet in the first place. Their business plan is so transparent that you have to be really thick not to get it.

    1. Sell printers with half a cartridge of ink with a loss to atract joe-sixpack (EXTRA now with flashing colours for just 99,99 or whatever).

    2. Sell cartridges at inflated price to cover for step one (joe-sixpack: I already paid for the printer so why not buy the ink).

    3. Profit

    In the last six years (not shit) I've gone through three tonerpacks for my HP4L. If you don't desperately need those stupid colors, then why let yourself get raped by those gorillas ? Laser is so much cheaper.

    And if you really, really need those colours then for heavens sake buy two printers (one laser, one ink). It will save you in the long run. Black ink is also pretty costly.

    TCAP-Abort

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  36. The Worst Kind of Capitalistic Practice by sweatyboatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There was a time when monopolies and trusts were seen as an integral part of thriving capitalism. And now, practices like this, selling the base system at a loss and making money by gouging on components, are seen as common as well.

    It's a bait and switch. They lure the customer in with a low-priced, high-powered printer and then snag him on the very expensive replacement cartridges.

    Though they have a monopoly, it's not a trust situation because Lexmark isn't the only company that sells printers. But as far as I understand, all printer manufacturers follow this policy.

    Are there any that don't? Are there any printer manufacturers that sell their printers and inks at market costs? Are there any who don't actively discourage the use of cheap recycled/replacement ink catridges?

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  37. What idiot would buy a Lexmark printer anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They suck.
    I grant you they're often inexpensive to buy, but it seems Lexmark counts on making their profits by selling shoddy, overly-expensive ink and toner cartridges over the clunky two year (if that) lifespan of the cheap printers.
    Lather, rinse, repeat.
    It's an unethical, shameful way of doing business.

    Couldn't they make their company profitable honestly, by making QUALITY products in the first place? Hmmm. But that wouldn't help out the attorneys, would it?

    Just goes to show: patents and copyrights often protect only those who are unable to run honest or efficient businesses, and who don't have the interest in making quality products.

  38. Tell Lexmark what you think by fmaxwell · · Score: 4, Informative

    Whatever printer I get now, it won't be a Lexmark.

    I just called Lexmark on their toll-free phone number to tell them how despicable I thought this lawsuit was. I told them that, unless it was dropped, I would never purchase another Lexmark product nor would I recommend their products to clients or colleagues. If you feel that way, call them:

    In the U.S., their phone number is:
    1-800-LEXMARK (1-800-539-6275)

    Hours:
    Mon - Fri
    9am - 9pm EST
    Saturday
    12pm - 6pm

    1. Re:Tell Lexmark what you think by fmaxwell · · Score: 2, Informative

      Lexmark announced the other day that they are closing their Orlando Florida call and service center. I have no knowledge of where the jobs are going,

      If they are following SMC's lead, the jobs will go to India. When you call for SMC tech support, your call is transferred to a call center located in India. Eventually, if you want a job in the tech sector, you will have to move to a second or third-world country. If you don't like that scenario, maybe you should join T.O.R.A.W..

  39. Which Lawsuit did HP lose years ago? by jmichaelg · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Several years ago, HP was sued by a 3rd party printer supplies company. At the time, HP's printer warranties required that you buy replacement supplies from HP and the 3rd party vendor successfully argued that was an unfair business practice.

    Does anyone remember who the litigant was and when the suit happened? As I understand it, that suit opened up the 3rd party printer supplier industry.

  40. Re::( Grr by Shadowlion · · Score: 2, Informative

    Watch Lexmark cut the size of the cartridges as well.

    They don't need to. There's been long-standing accusations that the ink cartridge manufacturers don't completely fill the cartridges they sell, so the ink doesn't last as long and the consumer has to buy refills more frequently.

  41. Chill with the Vitriol a moment... by unicorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One thing to consider. The cartridges in question, are *not* necessary for the printer.

    Lexmark makes 2 different kinds of catridges for that printer. One kind, is sold at a higher price, and is yours. Free and clear. Once you buy it, you can refill to your hearts content.

    The catridges, that have the chip embedded, are sold under a separate program. And they are referred to as "prebate" cartriges. You pay less for them up front. And are obligated to return the cartridge to Lexmark (at their expense) after one use.

    The chips that are the basis of the lawsuit, are a way of reusing the "prebate" cartridges, rather than sending them back as you agreed when you bought it from Lexmark.

    Lexmark VERY clearly says, all over their website. That if you want to refill catridges, just buy the "full price" product, and go at it.

    Basically what this all boils down to, is SCC is selling a chip that allows the circumvention of an agreement that consumers made with Lexmark. And on that basis, I really don't see what the big fuss is about.

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  42. Cheap inkjet refills from www.inksell.com by scarolan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bypass the manufacturer and remanufacturer altogether - just get a refill kit from www.inksell.com. No, I'm not an employee, just a happy customer.

    They have a kit for $9.95 that has enough ink for two full refills. Your future refills are only $2.95 per ink bottle (once you've got the kit).

    Takes 5 minutes or less to do the refill. The only difficult part is breaking off the top of the color cartridge but they supply a tool for that.

    I've been using the same ink cartridge for about 6 months and I do a lot of printing. I've probably refilled it like 4 or 5 times now and it still works like a champ.

    I don't have to feel guilty about printing full color photos anymore.

  43. Here is the number to the corporate office! by jasonw61 · · Score: 2, Informative

    859-232-2000

    1. Ask for the president's office, and when connected, tell them that you refuse to do business with a company that is using a dubious law to squash competition!

    2. Ask them why they don't feel that their product is a good enough value, that it will sell, without doing business in this manner!

    3. Ask them what the procedure is for returning your Lexmark printer to them, since they did not make you aware, when you purchased the printer, that you would be forbidden buy law to use 3rd party replacement ink!

  44. So boycott Lexmark by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let them know that their conduct is unacceptable.

    Buy from some company who are trying to produce products which will reduce your costs.

    The Kyocera ecosys printers spring to mind.
    http://www.kyocera.com/

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  45. Informed choices for purchases by tigheig · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are a wide variety of sites were we can go to get information about price, performance, features, and everything else relating to a new product we want to buy. Rarely do any of these places contain any information about whether purchasing the product will lock the buyer into buying supplies for that product from the OEM only. I think this is mostly because this has hardly ever been an issue in the past. I may have a GM car, but GM can only tell me that my car will run better with original GM replacement parts, not that I have no choice.

    It seems to me that this should be a part of any good review of a product. A review of a Lexmark printer on a reputable site on the web will tell me the lifetime of the cartridge, the number of pages printed per minutes, the quality of the print, and many other things, but never touches an issue such as whether supplies are available from third parties.

    Perhaps this should be considered to be an important element to any product review in the field of consumer electronics. After the events of the last few years and the effects of the DMCA it certainly is for me.

  46. unpopular by maurert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not happy with the ruling. However, this doesn't spell the end of competition. There are several manufactures of printers. Even if each where to be able to lock down all sales of cartridges for their own printers, it's still a long way from a monopoly. No monopoly, then I would also assert the situation's a long way from printer manufactures charging "whatever" they wnat. They do afterall have to compete against the total cost of ownersihp of the other makes of printer on the market.

    Dell's supposedly bringing it's own printer to market, that should keep the other pretty honest.

  47. If anything, SCC's argument doesn't go far enough. by Windcatcher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This action by Lexmark is nothing more than a BLATANT attempt by a manufacturer to create an artificial monopoly. It is in NO WAY limited to the consumer inkjet industry, and there is NO LAW--anywhere--that gives a U.S. company the right to create such a monopoly. If anything, SCC should investigate if Lexmark has violated the Sherman anti-trust act.

    This behavior can be applied to ANY industry in which there are consumables:

    - printers needing special paper containing "code" in the form of an IR- or UV-readable barcode,

    - electric shavers containing an embedded chip in the cutter heads that tells the unit the cutter was made by the same manufacturer,

    - chips in ANY recordable-mdeia form factor that validates the manufacturer,

    - chips in ANY auto part that perform manufacturer validation,

    - chips in common BATTERIES that force you to use batteries branded by a certain manufacturer or their partners,

    - chips in, say, headphones that require that you use them with stereo equipment made by the same manufacturer,

    and on and on. The list is countless. Just look around your room, office, or house and ask yourself if there is ANYTHING there that occasionally requires replacement parts. ANYTHING. Anything at all.

    THIS is just how bad the DMCA has become. This is how much it can and is being abused. It's got to go.

  48. Re:Yes, Windows is a common term by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's a lesson here for you. The people who work at auto parts behind the counter aren't authorities on the law or very knowledgeable about what's going on in the industry! I hear all kinds of stupid crap from people working at those places, and I just ignore it. If they tell me they think something will or won't work because of past customers, I'll put some stock in that. But anything outside their expertise, forget it. I've met lots of them who didn't even know what variable-valve timing was, and that's been on lots of cars for years; anyone who keeps up on the latest engine technologies would know about it.

    You can't "copyright" a design for a physical part. How do you think all those Taiwanese companies make knock-off fenders and body panels? Why do you see brochures at the dealer advising you to only buy genuine body parts even when your insurance company doesn't want to?

    The reason you couldn't get a knock-off taillight is because your car wasn't popular enough for them to make one. They only make them for very popular cars because there's too many designs. You might be able to get one for a Ford F-150, but anything else, good luck. Most of the time, you either need to buy the dealer part, or go to a junkyard. Many times, people sell this stuff on ebay too.

    Just because someone hasn't made a copy yet doesn't mean there's anything besides economics from doing so.

  49. Tell the Copyright Office What You Think by Andrea4 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Copyright Office is currently considering a petition to exempt printers/cartridges from the DMCA (at Static Control's request, of course!). You have until March 10 at 5pm EST to comment.
    Tell them what you think at http://www.copyright.gov/1201/comment_forms/index. html.

  50. Obligatory Laser printer plug by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 2, Informative

    I bought a used HP 1100 for $86 shipped on eBay and I couldn't be happier. Most laserjet printers are supported in Linux and it seems from the little research I did, there's a whole industry devoted to refurbishing and reselling laserjets, especially HPs. After a year of cursing over trying to get a Lexmark inkjet running in Linux, it was wonderful to see the HP running on my Samba box after about 40 seconds of configuration.
    Save your color printouts for an inkjet and try a laserjet for everything else! You'll save money in the long run.

  51. Copyright is not a Patent by Joe+Wagner · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Here are my comments, which are being submitted to the U.S. Copyright Office:

    The U.S. Copyright Office should not be used as an substitute yet uber-patent office. By adding any sort trivial addition to a mechanical device to lay a DMCA claim, one can create in effect a de facto patent protection of a commercial device, but with a much longer or unlimited term, and with a free ride of enforcement by the U.S. Government. This is clearly not what Copyrights are intended to protect.

    Imagine an automotive company wishes to force people to purchase only tires manufactured by themselves. They first attempt to force consumer choice by patenting the idea of round tires, but the US Patent Office rules (correctly) that their design has not unique and denies the application. All the MBA's in upper management are crushed.

    "Fear not," their lawyers cry, "we'll get something better...we'll get you protection -- and not for a patent's measly 20 years. No we'll give you 120 years of protection...AND the U.S. Government will investigate violations and enforce this 'uber-patent' for you."

    "But How?" cry the hopeful executives grateful disbelief.
    "By adding a dime's worth of electronic tagging on the tire--we'll call it a Quality Verification Tag that says the tire is an 'original and not remanufacturered' and have the car check for that before it starts."
    "But won't our better priced competitors just put the same dime's worth magic in their tires and we'll be back where we started?" wails a VP from under the table of the conference room where they've all gathered.
    "No, because we'll say their tires infringe on our..."
    "...Patents?..." offers a hopeful senior manager.
    "No--and here's the trick--it infringes on our Copyrights, unjustly defeating our 'technological controls, thereby allowing unauthorized access' to the car."
    "But the car's owner...isn't he already the, um, owner of the car and can do what he wants with his property?" worries the CEO aloud. "Isn't he allowed to buy from the competition? Won't we have to forced him to signed a service contract or something that say he must make all future purchases from us."
    "Not with the DMCA. Fear not about competition or the previously notions of an unrestrained free market." assures the now quite confident counsel, "It's nice as 'general principle' but," he says as he smiles "public policy certainly does not support copyright infringement and violations of the DMCA in the name of competition...."

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    For those concerned that 120 years isn't long enough, a company needs only every 119 years just to change the "Quality Verification Tag" and get a whole new Copyright to fend off any and all competition -- for literally until the end of time (or at least the end of the DMCA)." Disney's aspirations ain't go nothin' on Lexmark.

    Those who help create the U.S. Constitution wrote in Article I, section 8,

    "Congress shall have power . . . to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries..." [Note: though already clear, emphasis added]
    They are surely sitting up in their grave over this end run of authority, their spinning heads give out an incredulous cry of "Whaaaaaaa?"
  52. DMCA protection for a toner cartridge? by frdmfghtr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How is using the recycled toner cartridges stealing Lexmark's intellectual property? Did SCC steal Lexmark's design? Is SCC hacking the cartridges?

    If I need to replace my inkjet cartridges, I can buy a whole new printer for near the cost--which has been tempting several times. I tried using refill kits, but don't quite have the knack yet. I got the color cartridge to work once, but I think I let it sit near empty too long--my fault.

    If companies spent the money on R&D to develop new products and more efficient means of manufacturing the current ones instead of litigation, technology would advance faster and the consumers would benefit.

    The only losers in that situation would be the out-of-work IP lawyers. And I don't see that as a problem.

    If the printer manufacturers are going to void warranties and take such steps to prevent the use of third party consumables, then they need to bring the price of those consumables down a bit.

    GM can't void your warranty for using a Fram oil filter or require an OEM part unless they provide it free of charge; why should printer manufacturers be allowed to block out alternative consumable sources?

    I'm not saying cartridges should be free; I am saying that the consumer should be free to choose. Next step is requiring the use of branded paper in the printers.

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