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Microsoft Opens Source to China

angst7 writes "ZDNet is reporting that Microsoft has signed an agreement which would allow the Chinese government access to Windows source code. This is part of an effort to curb the shift toward Linux in China due to that country's concerns regarding the security of closed source software." Reader NZheretic points out that less than a year ago, Jim Allchin swore under oath that disclosing the Windows operating system source code could damage national security.

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  1. So Microsoft is by nick-less · · Score: 5, Funny

    just using its own form of open source - you just need to yell "Hey were going to use Linux!" and you get the source ;-)

  2. So now the Chinese have it!!! by inburito · · Score: 4, Funny

    And this hurts the US National Security?!? WTF!?!

    1. Re:So now the Chinese have it!!! by zoward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It sure can. How many times have you seen the phrase "Hacked by Chinese" scrawled across a US website? I saw my company's website thus defaced. US relations with China have not been all that cordial of late...

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    2. Re:So now the Chinese have it!!! by mmol_6453 · · Score: 4, Funny

      One wonders if it's treason.

      If it is, who gets the axe?

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    3. Re:So now the Chinese have it!!! by Aumaden · · Score: 5, Funny
      If our national security depends on Windows, the battle is already lost.

      --Aumaden

    4. Re:So now the Chinese have it!!! by Old+Uncle+Bill · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dunno, apparently they will be showing the Chinese the code branch without the NSA backdoors?

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    5. Re:So now the Chinese have it!!! by DavidLeblond · · Score: 2, Funny

      I doubt the "Hacked by Chinese!" virus we developed by China's government.

      But you never know!

  3. Damage national security, eh? by maverickbna · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, it looks like terrorists are gonna be the first to see the source... :/

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    1. Re:Damage national security, eh? by matt4077 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nope, terrorists wrote it in the first place.

  4. Treason? by mmol_6453 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's the corporate punishment for treason?

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    1. Re:Treason? by G27+Radio · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's the corporate punishment for treason?

      It's probably a huge fine amounting to about .01% of Microsoft's daily income.

    2. Re:Treason? by timeOday · · Score: 5, Funny

      Corporations can be punished? The whole point of forming one is so you can't be touched.

    3. Re:Treason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      They have to issue coupons good for a 20% discount on any microsoft product to all citizens.

    4. Re:Treason? by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine what would happen when the next hole revealed by a Slammer-type bug can't be patched 'cause Microsoft's not around.

      Exactly the same thing that would happen with them around!

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  5. Worst job ever. by hafree · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorting through gigabytes of Microsoft legacy code that was written under the pretense that nobody would ever see it. Now there's a scary thought. I'd hate to be the guy with THAT job...

    1. Re:Worst job ever. by msouth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, that's probably why China wants it.

      "Look, you bring up Tianamen Square ONE MORE TIME and you'll be reading the code for kernel32.dll the rest of your life!"

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  6. ha! by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Funny
    Jim Allchin swore under oath that disclosing the Windows operating system source code could damage national security.

    This must be a covert attempt from Microsoft to destroy China by weakening its national security!

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  7. Great! by warpSpeed · · Score: 5, Funny
    How long until we can get a CD of the source on a street corner in Hong Kong?

  8. An oh-so-typical I-hate-M$ post by bobKali · · Score: 5, Funny

    So the US government needs to either arrest Jim Allchin for perjury or Bill Gates for treason.

  9. Which crime is being committed? by sir99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    So which is it, Microsoft? Treason, or perjury (or both)? (Yes, Microsoft bashing is fun, you should try it some time)

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    1. Re:Which crime is being committed? by bobKali · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think what he MEANT to say was that compiling the Windows operating system source code could damage national security.

  10. Re:maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    maybe its not all the source... you know they could just release parts of it.

    Cool, now we can all see the tcp/ip stack .... oh wait that's BSDs stack.

  11. New Microsoft Business Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. Turn over source code to foreign governments hostile to the United States.
    2. Compromise National Security.
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

  12. Re:That IS a little creepy by ejaw5 · · Score: 2, Funny

    anyone else having thoughts of the Code Red virus 2 yrs ago that defaced websites with "hacked by Chinese"? Kinda ironic if it happens on a Chinese server, huh?

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  13. Does anyone sense some irony here? by IAmKarl · · Score: 1, Funny

    No offense to China (I have been, nice country, in the places I was anyways) But does this not seem kinda ironic, Windows, sharing source *whatever strings attached* with China? But on a serious note, whats the chance theyll ever do anything with it? is China gonna make a serious "Windows For China - Big Brother Returns part 4" or is this purely a PR? Karl P

  14. Future News by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Funny

    "All warez copies of Windows actually fake versions distributed by the Chinese"

    "Microsoft Source Code leaked world-wide"

    "Microsoft discontinues entire software division and focuses full force on their Mouse and Keyboard division"

  15. Think Price by Mabidex · · Score: 3, Funny


    1- China Gets Source
    2- China uses Message Queing to break or break into asian corps, and small countries which have little security
    3- China now has massive espionage in 2nd/3rd world countries, and united states corporate subsidiaries in those countries
    4- China invests heavily in US stock market
    5- Profit!

    At least that is what an Evil empire would do...

  16. Not just China by frankie · · Score: 2, Funny
    A few members of Microsoft's Government Security Program:
    • China
    • Russia
    • UK
    • NATO (technically not a country, but are you going to tell them no?)
    • USA

    <sarcasm> You'll notice that there are no brown-skinned folks on that list, so rest assured that dangerous information will not fall into the hands of terrorists. </sarcasm>

  17. Re:And it was so hard for them to make viruses bef by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Didn't you read Neuromancer? Case busted into the zaibatsu with a Chinese military virus.

    DUH.

  18. Microsoft opens "Source to China" by imadork · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why is this article listed under the MS topic? I thought Chairman Mao owned the copyright on the "Source to China", or perhaps Karl Marx. How can Microsoft legally distribute it?

  19. Ya and, by SphynxSR · · Score: 2, Funny

    I swore at Microsoft all the time. Then I stopped I knew they didn't pay attention.

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  20. Re:Yes, but.... by binner1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually, you just click the build button with the little white arrow. Typing is archaic.

    -Ben

  21. Re:Yes, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    can they type: ../configure;make windows;make install

    Err wouldn't that be ../configure ; make glass ; make frame ; make windows

    ?

  22. In the other latest news by roman_mir · · Score: 1, Funny

    thousands of chineese software developers commited a mass suicide after been exposed to the millions of lines of Windows source code. Apparently nobody warned them about the dangers of staring in the soul of the devil.

  23. Re:Yes, but.... by lfourrier · · Score: 2, Funny

    as long as you trust make, and take the time to verify configure, and you check all the programms called from here.
    Remember the article about the compiler who was specially adapted to introduce backdoor in login, which was not visible in the source of the compiler, cause the compiler added it to itself when it was self compiling?

  24. ah, but you see by g4dget · · Score: 4, Funny
    Disclosing the source code to the US government hurts national security, disclosing the source code to the Chinese government improves it.

    You see, being exposed to Windows source code gives programmers a killer headache, and after having seen it, they'll never be able to write a secure piece of code themselves.

  25. Re:Yes, but.... by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 2, Funny

    He must be an optimist.

  26. Totally, completely OT, but funny... by SillySlashdotName · · Score: 2, Funny

    MSN is reporting a story on Opra attaining billionaire status, but I thought one side note was hillarious:

    "Gates' personal wealth, much of it in company stock, has diminished by 60 percent since April 1998, when it briefly reached $100 billion. His worst year was 1999, when it plunged by a third as the government pursued an antitrust case against Microsoft. Forbes notes he is also the world's biggest giver, donating $1 billion annually to charity, largely to vaccine research."

    With all the bugs and viruses his software is subject to, I was hoping he was putting more than that into vaccine research!

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  27. I'm Bill, it's the real code, trust me! by Lucius+Sour · · Score: 2, Funny
    If I was one of these government officials, I'd be worried that MS - a US company so important to their economy that it gets let off after being found guilty of crimes, would be showing me a sanitised version of the code.

    All MS need to do is take out the us govt. approved spy code for the examination. The Chinese won't be compiling and shipping their own versions of windows will they? Or is MS now employing Stallman/

    Windows with improved support for USB (Ultra Straggly Beard)

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  28. Re:Microsoft policy... by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...because the Government Security Program provides access to Microsoft's intellectual property, eligibility depends to a great degree on a nation's laws and attitudes toward intellectual property. At the moment, about 60 countries are eligible to participate, including major developing nations such as China...

    Are there two countries called China, or is the requirement that intellectual property has zero practical protection?

  29. Re:Not even sharing, just showing really by Jardine · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why they'll assimilate them of course.

  30. I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    wonder how long it will be before they find that "scam" going on between intel, the memory manufacturers, and microsoft:

    if (version == NT ) {
    delay_loop_count = 100;
    big_array_bytes = 32000000; /* 32MB */
    }
    else if (version == W2K) {
    delay_loop_count = 1000;
    big_array_bytes = 96000000; /* 96MB */
    }
    else if (version == XP) {
    delay_loop_count = 10000;
    big_array_bytes = 128000000; /* 128MB */
    }
    else if (version == DOTNET) {
    delay_loop count = 100000;
    big_array_bytes = 256000000; /* 256MB */
    }
    waste_space_array = alloc( big_array_bytes );
    random_fill( waste_space_array);

    mount_C_filesystem();
    sleep( delay_loop_count );
    init_gui();
    sleep( delay_loop_count );
    get_user_command();
    sleep( delay_loop_count ); ... ... etc.

    Every version seems to take more and more memory, but seems to provide less and less increase in functionality, and is slow enough on older hardware to *force* an upgrade. There *must* be a reason! THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!

    Seriously.. does anyone out there *really* need a 3GHZ machine to run Office and browse the web?? I mean *seriously*. My "new" desktop is a 1ghz box I snagged free from work, which I'm going to put my *legal* copy of W2K on, and then make my current 550Mhz box *another* free-unix box (NetBSD, actually).

  31. Re:That's shares source with China, by c.emmertfoster · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow, you are referring to Microsoft as M$. I wish I had thought of that. How clever of you.

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