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Rambus Destroyed Evidence In Anti-trust Trial

Marasmus writes "CNN is reporting that memory-chip maker Rambus has been found guilty of destroying evidence which was 'critical' to the anti-trust case brought by the U.S. government. Interestingly, the Judge has denied the FTC's request to move on to the penalty phase of the trial. Destruction of evidence in an anti-trust case normally yields a forfeiture of trial, but Rambus 'will have the burden of proving its innocence" instead.'

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  1. Re:Why not penalty phase? by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Actually, this is a harsher penalty. They have to justify themselves in a public forum, no ifs, no ands, no buts.

    Do you know how hard it is to prove your innocence? Think about it - if someone accuses you of a crime you didn't commit, and you have to prove your innocence, can you? In most cases, not likely. That's why the usual standard in criminal cases is "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".

    Of course, civil cases are different - then it's the "preponderance of the probabilities".

  2. Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The credibility of American business went into the shitter ever since Enron was caught for it's sleazy practices. I predict in the next five or more years there will a shakedown on sleazy business. At least, let's hope. Part of the western recession is due to the discovery of unethical business tactics. America's business credibility relies on the way the courts handle corporations that choose sleazy tactics.

  3. Re:So what is there document retention policy? by binaryDigit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does the government regulate this, or do individual companies simply decide a policy?

    Well similar to you or I, they must retain documents that the IRS or SEC (ok not you or I relative to the SEC) would find "meaningful". Consider this, do you save your credit card statements, phone bills? If so, for how long. You typically don't need these things for "official" purposes (business use not withstanding). Would your shredding of these documents be construed as you eliminating potentially incriminating purchases or conversations. If you're not under investigation, then no. But if you are, then they could be. This is of course a VERY grey area, what is relevant to what situation? Definitely hard to nail down. Of course the govt could always enforce a "100% document retention policy" ;)

  4. Re:Not much to the article... by lunartik · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The man in the black robe says they did, it doesn't much matter what Rambus says about it at that point.

    It shifts them to presumed guilty, which sucks for them.

  5. Re:What's The Big Deal by gr8_phk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The only connection it has with "News For Nerds" is the fact that it is a Chip-Making company....

    And the fact that they went into JEDEC meetings to help define an open standard and then patented things being developed there. The RAMBUS saga is about abuse of the processes used to develop new standards. Rambus has yet to be properly dealt with for that, and that make an update on their case "News for Nerds" as much as anything.

  6. Re:Not much to the article... by gregbaker · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Not quite...

    Rambus says they legally destroyed the documents, a Judge says they illegally destroyed the documents. Rambus is useless.

    :-)

  7. Retention policies are determined by companies by MyNameIsFred · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Each company determines it's retention policy, with advice from lawyers. These policies are intended to do many things. Two big ones are 1) reducing costs associated with storing old files and 2) limiting costs associated with litigation. While it is obvious companies want to hide guilt, there are other costs involved in litigation - e.g., the man-hours to search through old files, inventory them, copy them for other lawyers, etc.

    HOWEVER, regardless of a company's retention policy, it is illegal to destroy documents related to a government investigation once the company is aware an investigation will occur or is likely to occur. This is what got Arther Anderson in trouble, they knew an investigation was coming and then destroyed documents. This is also why a written policy is important, and that it be strictly observed. That way in court it is easy to defend the statement we destroy all documents older than X months automatically. We did not destroy them because an investigation was coming.

  8. Re:So what is there document retention policy? by sribe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So what exactly is their policy? Does the government regulate this, or do individual companies simply decide a policy?

    There are certain kinds of documents that must retained for the SEC or IRS, but beyond that you can normally have pretty much any policy you want. But if you destroy documents after you are notified that there is an investigation, that is a crime. In other words, when notified of an investigation you must immediately suspend document destruction.

    will have the burden of proving its innocence

    Some people are acting like this is some kind of huge gift. It's not. Normally they would be presumed innocent unless the government could prove their guilt. Now they are presumed guilty unless they can prove their innocence. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in that position!

    Also note that the full quote is:

    the company will have the burden of proving its innocence on some allegations

    The article doesn't explain whether that means that they are now considered guilty on other allegations, or whether the evidence destroyed only relates to some of the allegations and so trial should proceed normally on other allegations. My guess is the latter.

  9. How to read that pretty graph by steveha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article includes a graph that shows a steep drop-off of their stock price.

    The very first thing you do is to look at the numbers on the axes of the graph. The vertical axis of the graph is price of one stock share in dollars, but the graph goes from $15.43 down to $13.86, so that steep drop-off wasn't as steep as the graph makes it look. If you plot the same numbers on a graph that goes from $16 down to $0, it's not nearly as dramatic. The stock price fell by about 10.6%, while the graph makes it look more like 100%.

    To learn more about tricky graphs and other misleading charts, read How to Lie with Statistics, a truly great and fun book.

    steveha

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  10. Shady... by riclewis · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Within the industry, Rambus has a rep for shady dealings, and this would appear to serve as another case in point. Anytime a company finds itself compared with Enron...

    It's seems obvious that they did wrong in adjusting their patents during and after the JEDEC process, without disclosing their patent knowledge or intents to the body at large. I can just hear the conversation: "Let's sit in on this standards body, write down their ideas, quielty patent them, wait for them to be implemented, hire lots of lawyers, and start suing everybody!!"

    If they had been (or are) allowed to get away with their behavior in regards to that standards body, it undermines the ability of all companies to cooperatively design and create standards in good faith.

  11. Rambus Ink. doesn't make chips. by Liquor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    memory-chip maker Rambus
    Not quite. Rambus Ink. (to steal a phrase from el Reg.), doesn't actually make any chips themselves. They make their money by licensing their patents for their serial RDRAM design, and by e\x\t\o\r\t\i\o\n\ licensing (questionably acquired) patents applied to synchronous DRAM.
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  12. Too paladium isn't around yet... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...if it were here they could of just timebombed or permanently deleted the files and no evidence would of ever been found.

    Palladium has an interest to not only corporate America but also microsoft since they can destroy any document at will and have the encrypted filesystem hide any evidence that it even existed. The doj can never bother them again.

  13. Re:Why not penalty phase? by dinog · · Score: 3, Insightful
    No it isn't a harsher penalty. Think about it : either you are immediately found guilty, or you have a small chance to at least prove you were innocent. I'll take the small chance every time. It may be difficult, but it is far less harsh than being immediately found guilty, which is what normally happens in these cases.

    Dean G.

  14. Re:A New Age of Trusts? by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I find it humerous how a few million to keep Amtrak running is too expensive, while a few billion to prop up the airline industry is essential. The reason rail seems so damn expensive has more to do with government subsidizing airport construction and highways.

    Lets face it people, a train isn't glamerous technology, but it is a lot cheaper to keep running per mile than any other transportation technology out there. If you go to India or China, you don't see interstates or large fancy airports outside of the main cities. You do have rail going to any place with a post office, though.

    In my opinion, the only reason cars, gas, and air travel is so important in this country has everything to do with bad habits and short thinking. The stock guy on the radio said it best the other day with the quote: "... of course that was back when long term meant years, not minutes or hours ... "

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  15. Re:None of this matters. by cc_pirate · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And which department of Rambus do YOU work in?

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