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ICANN vs. ccTLDs in Geneva
Gallowglass writes "The Register is reporting on an interesting meeting in Geneva. To quote from the article, 'Why the huge fuss? Because the meeting threatened to turn into a caucus where rising resentment against ICANN and its attempt to stamp ultimate authority over the Internet could have escalated into international agreement and action.' Didn't quite, but the natives are restless. The article has links to all presentations given at the two day meeting, and also an audio of the event at the bottom of the article. It's also a good summary of the controversy and of its history."
Do they ever stop harassing and stopping Name Resolution? Hell, they KEPT DOCUMENTS FROM THEIR OWN PRESIDENT, and he eventually quit.
OH, and how many 'public' members are still on the ICANT^HN?? None.
Okay what do _you_ want to see replace ICANN, what would make _you_ happy.
Then look at the real players at this event and think. Is the issue that ICANN has too much control or that...
These people, corporations and goverments want a slice of the pie and to dictate it all themselves.
Now given how these things tend to go I wouldn't bet large amounts of Turkish Lira, let alone Dollars, Euros or Pounds that if ICANN is toppled that the resulting quango isn't just a collection of "interested parties" aka "the usual suspects" who try and define the rules for themselves. Lets face it this goes in with the copyright issues in the US, the WTO "screw the 3rd world" and corporatisation of politics and policy.
ICANN might be total and utter nutters and a total pain in the arse. But are you REALLY sure that what comes next won't be worse ?
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
Pardon my moment of mental absence...
organisation
is spelled that way in the UK... *sigh* language barriers.. why can't we all just get along.
If you're looking here for something insightful or thought provoking, you're probably looking in the wrong place.
Could it really be that /.ers are going and reading the article???
If so, today, 6th March 2003 will be remembered as a special day in the history of slashdot ;^)
Okay, this doesn't make much sense. If they expanded and encouraged the Internet, wouldn't that be a good thing? It seems to me that if they expanded and encouraged the Internet, they'd be seen as good people. That sentence from the article makes it sound like it's a bad thing. The Internet gives people access to a wealth of information and helps them do their shopping, banking, etc. It's just my opinion that if they've helped more people get that ability, they shouldn't have this whole "huge cost to their reputation" thing.
Ah am not a crook! (\(-__-)/)
on the 'net.
though we all try to pretend it isn't so, most folks look for what they want/need, based on words.
icann goof that up, by making sure most of the 'best' words, wind up being controlled buy their "rightful" "owners".
keep dreaming. lookout bullow.
What's the alternative? We need a central authority on domain name issues to ensure that standards are kept and every country is on an equal footing when disputes occur.
.de can resolve domain names in .ru, .us, uk, etc. Those countries can then resolve disputes within their domains according to their own laws, without the heavy hand of ICANN and its injustice-for-money-your-way resolution approach.
.com, .org, .edu, etc. the body responsible for administering the treaty can be used. This body should most emphatically NOT be ICANN, whose record of abuses and thuggary is both appalling and enormous.
... beyond mutual agreements to avoid top level domain name collisions. Frankly, I'd like to see a situation in which anyone can create any toplevel domain, on a first come, first serve basis, and have it be resolved by everyone. Sort of an OpenNIC on steroids, without the authority (democratic in OpenNIC's case, authoritarian in ICANN's), but that is probably too much to hope for.
... it is the current status quo, and should remain so.
Absolute nonsense. All we need is a treaty that top level domains will be handled in a compatible fashion, so that folsk in
For international domains, such as
There really is no need for a central authority whatsoever
Nevertheless, national autonomy in ccTLDs is neither inappropriate nor too much to hope for
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
"But are you REALLY sure that what comes next won't be worse ?"
Are you REALLY sure that what comes next won't be better ?
maybe a better question would be "Are you REALLY sure that doing nothing is better than trying to change or to replace the actual system ? "
#include "coucou.h"
I and many others voted for him in the open elections specifically so that he would be there to fight the good fight in discussions like these. Submitting a paper and then having ICANN read a synopsis an then disclaim the paper would seem to do more harm than good.
Having said that, its probably worth adding "Force ICANN to reconsider its policy regarding cc TLDs" to the list of impossible things to do before your breakfast!
A little planning goes a long way...
truly, IEEE rulez. ICANN can't, so eventually there will be a smorgasboard of domain jurispudence with many flags of convenience ... democracy scales well, whew
2tec ~ makes connections
having auerbach on that bored, is like having Lyndon LaRouche in gov. BuShIE's cabiNeT.
trying to peddle bibles to the devil, also comes to mined.
lookout bullow.
The register's website is not hosted in Canada.
Consider this quote from the article: Many country domain managers are furious at ICANN's constant efforts to get them to sign up to a new set of ICANN terms and conditions - often under threat of withholding vital services - that would effectively hand over control of their domain to the organisation.
This an issue that people all over the world face , both collective entities and individuals, as more and more centralized authorities attempt to both aggregate and control information, as well as any associated privileges it may confer.
While some might argue that a centralized authority is necessary for an organized, well-structured effort, I'd point out that centralized authorities are a form of power and control. Human nature being what it is, this often leads to an effort to acquire more of the same, regardless of its effect on any initial objectives. ICANN should be looking for ways to centralize control over matters related to manage a set of general guidelines within which each member must operate, while still allowing them an appropriate degree of autonomy. It all boils down to an issue of sovreignty, and how this will manifest itself with respect to the internet.
Do you trust such an agency?
See for yourself. http://www.itu.int/
Now that virtually all WHOIS clients support redirection to the WHOIS servers of various registrars using the "Whois Server:" line it should be easy for whois.internic.net to send redirections to ccTLD whios server so we could finally have a single WHOIS server that answers all requests.
Of course, with the current situation I don't expect they would actually implement such as scheme.
Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
I agree with everything but the part about "first come, first serve" unless there is a limit to how many times an entity or individual can be first. Or maybe anyone can suggest a new TLD, but there is a six month waiting period, if anyone else tries to register that same TLD within that time, there is a lottery to determine who gets it. Otherwise, what's to stop me from just running through /usr/share/dict and being first for just about everything you might want?
I do not have a signature
(spoiler: i probably don't know what im talking about)
in my mind the best solution would be to hand control to an org with a board of appointed members each representing their own nation (say, the Ministar de Intarweb for Erewhon);
such as the UN. Proposals and issues could then be dealt with on a consensual basis, and organisations concerned with TLDs based in those countries could then communicate their issues to their Minister/Spokesman/whatever
funding for tech expertise etc etc can also come through those channels
the UN makes consensual decisions pretty well (at least as well as it can), why not model after it?
<B>note to self:</B> <I>post as html</I>
"The Internet is a very special flower in the garden of the world's communities. One that needs continuous and careful watering."
Bwahaa. The Internet is like Kudzu, overrunning and strangling all the other networks in the garden, and grafting into them and transforming them, borg-like, into more kudzu.
ICANN should stick to its technical mission -- keeping track of the names and numbers.
Absolute nonsense. All we need is a treaty that top level domains will be handled in a compatible fashion, so that folsk in .de can resolve domain names in .ru, .us, uk, etc. Those countries can then resolve disputes within their domains according to their own laws, without the heavy hand of ICANN and its injustice-for-money-your-way resolution approach.
.com, .org, .edu, etc. the body responsible for administering the treaty can be used.
Especially since the likes of trademarks are subject to national laws in the first place.
For international domains, such as
How many top level international domains are actually needed? Especially were the DNS to be used as intended.
UN success stories:
Stopping the genocide in Rwanda
Stopping the genocide in Cambodia
Ending the Traffic in Human Slavery
Solving the Isreali/Palestinian conflict
Solving the division of Cyprus
Ending the civil wars in equitorial Africa
And those are just the big successes where the prevented the loss of tens of millions of lives. It doesn't count the daily successes of ending international tyrany and misery everywhere else.
Yes, The UN should be the ICANN model.
The article quotes SG Utsumi saying that the Internet should be considered a public utility.
/. yet, maybe because many people seem allergic to any regulation of the networks. But I do beleive in the multilateral process and maybe it's time to see what it can do for the Internet.
On one hand, this bring me the image of PSTN monopolies of the 70's, with the abuses and inefficiencies.
On the other hand, regulated QoS levels, mandatory public access and connectivity mandate, common carrier obligation are all things that the broadband industry could use right now.
I wonder if the Internet is not mature enough to desserve the status of public utility, like the power grid, the water network, sewers, etc.
I think it would help to put emphasis on the "common good infrastructure" bit. it would prevent AOL or other providers to use their provider business to leverage their content business. It would ultimately help competition on the service provider side by giving an even playing field on the connectivity providing side.
It's a topic I haven't seen addressed on
...when the only way to get to anything was by IP adress, doesn't it?
The UN is ineffective; the simple reason is that for major decisions, it requires unanimity of the security council to send UN troops anywhere.
Look at the current Iraq issue: any member of the security council can veto any resolution. So even if there is unanimity, minus one... no action.
Basically, this means that the UN can't even vote to censure a security council member's behaviour, because that member would veto the resolution. Thus the top level people effectively have carte blanche: even if everyone in the UN wanted to stand against them, they would have to do it as individual nations, without organization.
All in all, it's pretty toothless. Which has been both good and bad historically (e.g. no UN peacekeepers landing in Waco, Texas, or in Alabama after Brown vs. The Board Of Education, or in Berkeley, CA, etc., during the Vietnam War).
But for an organization which *has* to make decisions on protocols or assignments of address blocks, or dispute resolution, the ability for one member state to render the whole organization indecisive really can't be tolerated.
-- Terry
The ITU didn't try to dominate the Internet. They created a set of specs for a WAN that had nothing to do with the Internet. However, the Internet came along with a simpler, cheaper, more elegant approach and made them irrelevant.
Why do we need any generic international domains at all?
When I get some spare time I hope to throw together a DNS registration system that operates roughly as follows:
- Someone sends in a request for a name, the system checks whether it is available, and if so, generates a digitally signed certificate of ownership - consider it a kind of "bearer" bond representing ownership of the domain.
- That certificate can be transferred through a transfer agent (who would provide non-repudiation protection) but who would not necessarily be able to know what domain name the certificate represented.
- Anyone who wants to change the registration data - mainly the list of name servers - would have to present a the current copy of the certificate ("current" meaning that it is subject to a check with the a transfer agent to make sure that a pre-transfer copy isn't being used)
- Garbage collection would be performed either by no queries for the name for some defined period of time or the expiration of something like 100 years.
I figure that this system could be inexpensive (remember, the main cost of today's DNS registration system is billing and that that what one is paying for is to stop someone from doing the work to remove a name from the registration database). I figure that $25 could buy a registration for a 100 years. (ICANN's rules limit registrations - nobody knows why - to 10 years.)
The system could also be anonymous as long as the initial registration and transfer agent mechanisms self-lobotomize themselves to forget everything they knew about the identity of the parties involved.
i think i speak for everyone when I say this post should be "insightful". the guy somewhat knows what he's talking about, neh?
-Steve
don't forget about .int, a specifically mandated tld for things which are international in scope.
Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?