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World of Ends Public Draft
Doc Searls sent me the link over to the newest work that he and fellow Cluetrain person David Weinberger haveput together. It's called "World of Ends" although I like the subtitle "What the Internet Is and
How to Stop Mistaking It
for Something Else" better - but that's just me. In any case, some interesting reading, particular if you like/d The Cluetrain Manifesto. Update: 03/08 14:42 GMT by CN : Yeah, this is a dupe of yesterday's story. Everyone point at Hemos and laugh.
I thought the Internet was a collection of networks of geeks. It's something else?
Almost a whole day passed before this dupe was posted. Huzzah!
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
Proof that DUPES can still get through will subscribers looking into the mysterious future!
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Yesterday's article:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/07/153
All we need to do is pay attention to what the Internet really is. It's not hard. The Net isn't rocket science.
Wasn't the internet invented as part of a military Advanced Research Project Agency, and include a mechanism for redundancy to keep communications going in case of a military attack (often delivered by rockets and missles).
Sounds a lot like rocket science to me...
I think this is a duplicate... I remember seeing this (with a lviely discussion) a few days ago.
HAH!
Just reading the topic once over, it looked like it had something to do with George Bush and Iraq. ;) Then I realized the grammar didn't make sense. "World Ends; Public Draft"
Repeal the DMCA!
"In any case, some interesting reading, particular if you like/d The Cluetrain Manifesto."
Sorry, haven't read "The Cluetrain Manifesto" - however I would like to recommend the editors of Slashdot check out a neat website called SLASHDOT - they usually post articles strikingly similar to "World of Ends."
You know you're a geek if you've ever replied to a tagline.
...We can build businesses without having to worry that "Internet, Inc." is going to force us to upgrade, double its price once we have bought in, or get taken over by one of our competitors.
HA! If that's true, then explain what these "Internet, Inc." stock certificates are, that I bought online!
I shall have free internet access FOREVER, here and on my MOON property that I also bought online...
Cover your eyes and click this link!
Dupe!
/. to proofread articles...
So much for subscribers PAYING
And Slashdot still posts dupes. Avoiding any attempt to connect the two, I just want to say that some things never change, or at least not in the last 24 hours...
Boom Shanka
one end doesn't know what the other end is doing.
The end is near.
I really like the "Repetitive Mistake Syndrome" - I have seen so many cases of that!!!
I wonder if the GNU folks would mind if we just abbriviated that 'RMS'?
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away" -- "Step Right Up", Tom Waits
My country is going to war in the next couple weeks. Could you refrain from stories including the words 'public draft' for a bit. It's a little unnerving to come across first thing in the morning before I've had a cup of coffee. Thank you.
I bet it's fun being slashdotted twice.
Do the editors even read /.?
The following statement is false.
The previous statement is true.
Welcome to my world.
guy called pete, had a son, called him repeat
One of the most fundamental and important lessons one can learn about the Internet. I'm glad someone's pointing it out at last. Maybe certain companies will stop trying to "proprietize" (can I claim a new buzzword prize for this?) it and just get on with making it so we can communicate with each other efficiently. After all, that's what this is about, isn't it?
Resistance is futile. Reactance buggers it up.
Those people who are technologically adept will have realized most of the article's points beforehand. I must admit that I haven't managed to formalize the arguments as well as the article's authors have.
I would like to have leaflets containing the gist of the text to hand out with every ISP account opened. The leaflet should read in bold: "please read and grok before attempting to connect to your new account".
As for being a "stupid network of ends", I bet that the neurons in my brain can be called that too...
If you outlaw the law, only criminals will have laws
From the article
There are technical reasons why stupidity is a good design. Stupid is sturdy...Thanks to its stupidity, the Net welcomes new devices and people, so it grows quickly and in all directions
Hmm...How much has Slashdot grown in the past few years:-)?
Having just seen the cuuuute image of the animated sheep on the latest Serta commercial, I dronishly went to the web site to see if there was a nice uncluttered image to bring onto my desktop for a while.
While the SWF of the Serta sheep ambled by, my eye was caught on the Linking Agreement.
Reading through the Linking Agreement, I couldn't help but think how relevant the ludicrous nature of their page was to this discussion. (Well, actually, to the previous discussion because this is one is a DUPE, as you obviously know)
Wasn't this kind of linking agreement shot down? Even if it wasn't, it seems very "anti" to me. I'll respond in kind by boycotting those sheep and their master, Serta. And I'll sleep just fine too.
Say, I read all the time how ugly this "Kathleen Fent" chick is. But who is she and where can I check for myself?
I just don't don't don't understand how the editors are creating duplicates every 10 seconds.
Why isn't anyone taking them to task over it?
Still a great article the second time around.
Hey freaks: now you're ju
Can be found here.
Karma: pi (Mostly due to circular reasoning in posts).
NT
Take a close look at that SWF. The Sheep are calling for a boycott of Serta! Don't buy a Serta.
I say we should all rally behind the Sheep. Slashdotters and Sheep, together at last.
Post the SWF on all of your websites and let's link it to commentary on ridiculous linking agreements.
Let's not get fleeced!
...is located here.
A search of their database shows no hits. Has anyone ran afoul of Serta over their linking policy?
...people who should know better will stop using Microsoft-style smart quotes that come out as '?' on non-Microsoft browsers.
Why should anyone care what the Cluetrain wannabes have to say, except other members of their self-aggrandising clique?
I first read that as saying:
"What the internet is and how to not mistake it for interesting reading."
I agreed with the mistaken version. The internet is dead. When I'm searching for something, I usually end up not finding it, and in the end have expended more information in the chore than I've recieved. The frustration you feel is pain from the wounds inflicted upon your intellect. The internet is not only dead, it's rotting corpse is turning toxic.
Now, if you're a fly or an opossum, that could be a good thing. Read the newsgroups lately? I really do wonder sometimes what sorts of critters have become sentiant and are speaking their minds.
Makes me wish I had seen it yesterday :)
...the Web, like television, is a way to hold eyeballs still while advertisers spray them with messages.
...the Net is something that telcos and cable companies should filter, control and otherwise "improve."
... it's a bad thing for users to communicate between different kinds of instant messaging systems on the Net.
...the Net suffers from a lack of regulation to protect industries that feel threatened by it.
A couple points about the mistakes being made over and over and over ad nauseum:
Other mistakes we insist on making over and over. For example, thinking that:
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This one in particular struck me. As has already been proven, users will find ways to block annoying advertising (Guidescope, AdSubtract, Junkbuster, etc.) rendering it useless. Free tip to the ad agencies: an ad that one finds interesting and compels us to explore further is not the same as oner that is obnoxious and gets our attention for the wrong reasons. An ad that is unseen will draw exactly -0- potential customers.
As for those who believe that users who block ads steal content: there is nothing that requires me to read the ads in my local newspaper. If I don't read those ads, am I stealing content there as well? If I pull out the remote control and change the TV channel at a commercial or get up to get a sandwich when the ads come on, am I stealing content? (Yes, I know what the "content providers" say about that, and I say "screw you" to them.)
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The Internet is a pipe. It is a pipe that transmits data hither and yon. That is it. The only improvements that the telcos and cable providers can do is add better and faster hardware to make the pipe bigger. Using the "Information Superhighway" as the analogy: when you have a freeway through your city and you improve it, you improve the efficiency of the flow of traffic by making it EASIER for traffic to pass through, not HARDER.
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If AOL, Microsoft, et al won't do it, I bet some intrepid programming brains will write "switchboard" type server software that will do it for them, assuming it hasn't been done already. The IM clients and services are free, so how can AOL be afraid of losing customers of their AIM users can talk directly to MSN Messenger users? Must be that whole territory, ego, alpha-male thing.
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The threat facing those industries (music and multimedia content) that feel threatened by it is their own failure to embrace the INternet for what it is: a means for these companies to distribute their product practically instantly and at a extremely reduced cost. If I buy ten or twelve tracks from Liquid Audio and burn my own CD, that cost me about $12 or $14 all told. That CD is worth much more than the $16 CD that the local Camelot Music is trying to push with only two or three good tracks.
The non-threatened industries take advantage of the Internet pipe and use it for what it is: a fast and easy means of transmitting data. Cisco apparently saw this when they developed the voice-over-IP phones (which, BTW, are very cool--I had the opportunity to use them over a multi-site network linked by satellite, and they sounded just like a land line) and the telecos are threatened because now users can communicate without using their proprietary, charge-by-the-minute phone systems.
My thoughts for the morning...
Government's idea of a balanced budget: take money from the right pocket to balance...oh who am I kidding?
it's no wonder why it sucks so badly.
If you're able to post a story you should able to check for dupes.
Read your own website you tard.
You decide which is more appropriate:
The Gluetrain Manifesto.
Lawrence Person (lawrencepersonh@gmailh.com (remove all "h"s to mail)
http://www.lawrenceperson.com/
Actually rocket science uses a lot of symbols and abbreviations.
\/\/0\/\/!!!!!!111 50 i m 4 733t r0k1t 5c13nt15t!!!!!!1
I think that this article ignores the fact that bandwidth is not an unlimited resource. While information wants to be free, and all that jazz, we always tend to forget that it does take actual money to transmit all this information. The Internet protocol is just an agreement, and I agree witht the articles' conclusion that it will lose value if we try to add value to it. But that protocol runs over a real network, that definitely gains value as value (e.g., more and fatter pipes) is added to it.
This especially applies to the airwaves. While new technologies (e.g. wireless mesh, ultrawideband, etc.) promise to deliver massively more bandwidth/MHz than the old analog broadcast methods, that doesn't necessarily mean that we have the right to summarily revoke the incumbant telco/broadcasters' rights to use their alloted spectrum without interference. These companies deserve to at least be compensated for the massive amounts of money they spend secureing their specturm licences, and for the infrastructure improvements they're going to have to make to take advantage of the new technologies.
"A witty saying proves nothing." --Voltaire
Next mod who posts a dupe buys the beer for the other mods in the office!
Of course, those folks at Freshmeat would want in too, and that just wouldn't be fair, unless you had a really good (bad?) month.
HA HA
This would only work if the dupe-poster is not allowed to partake of said beer. Otherwise, even the loser wins. Eventually, we'll be seeing all dupes, with even worse spelling and grammatical errors due to sauced-up posters.
Is Doc Searls a Jew?
i can't believe how dumb the /. editors are are
If AOL, Microsoft, et al won't do it, I bet some intrepid programming brains will write "switchboard" type server software that will do it for them, assuming it hasn't been done already.
It's been done. There are two approaches:
1) Multi-network clients, of which the most popular are probably Trillian (Windows) and Gaim (Unix/Gtk+). These open separate connections to AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, and so on, at the same time - you need accounts on the appropriate services first though. In particular, you need both an AIM and an ICQ account if you want to talk to people on both AIM and ICQ, despite the fact that they use the same servers and the same protocol - the only difference these days seems to be that ICQ has numbers, AIM has screennames, and the server won't let either sort of user talk to the other.
2) Jabber [http://www.jabber.org]. As well as Jabber servers themselves (Yet Another messaging protocol, this one based on XML and running on an open-source server), this has a nifty feature where you provide your Jabber client with your username and password for "foreign" services, the client passes them on to the server, and the server logs on to AIM/etc. as you, converting incoming messages to Jabber messages to send to your client (sort of like the webmail services which offer to fetch your POP3 mail into the webmail account so it's all in one place, but for IM instead of mail). For a while, AOL IP-banned the main public Jabber server from AIM - they obviously weren't happy about the idea.
Still a few bugs in the system... Someday I have to tell you about Uncle
Nahum from Maine, who spent years trying to cross a jellyfish with a shad
so he could breed boneless shad. His experiment backfired too, and he
wound up with bony jellyfish... which was hardly worth the trouble. There's
very little call for those up there.
-- Allucquere R. "Sandy" Stone
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