Posted by
CmdrTaco
on from the this-is-only-gonna-get-more-interesting dept.
djtrippin writes "Linus comes forth on the SCO v IBM suit and how it pertains (or doesn't, for that matter) to Linux." He definitely puts a fair amount of perspective on the whole thing. This story really is only going to get more bizarre.
Trust me, I've did my t(r)oll for non-anonycoward FP's.
Re:Honestly, isn't "linus" a virus?
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Anonymous Coward
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No, he's a viral license, like GNU.
Re:Correct me if I'm wronge...
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Anonymous Coward
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not only that -- it's a lawsuite???
Re:Correct me if I'm wronge...
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Anonymous Coward
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"liscensing" is English.
"licensing" is American. It's one of the words you had to remove silent letters from to make it easier to remember. Like you do to honour, colour, valour.
Oh yeah, and lieutenant is pronounced "leftenant".
POOP!
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Anonymous Coward
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I have to go poop.
POOPING!
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Anonymous Coward
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Unnh... uuunnnnh.... uuuhhhhhuuuhhh... unnnh.
POOPED!
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Anonymous Coward
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Okay, I'm done.
Whew, somebody needs to light a match or something!
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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unitron
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"Why was this post modded "overrated" before it had been rated?"
It was rated. The poster didn't turn off his (her) +1 good karma bonus point, thereby expressing his (her) opinion that his (her) post deserved to be rated at +2 right out of the gate. (Of course this is probably really because you have to opt out of the extra point manually each time you think it unjustified instead of going to the trouble of adding it if you think it justified.)
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I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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mhesseltine
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Disclaimer: This is off topic to the discussion, but on topic to the thread. Mod however you want. I have the karma to burn.
Overrated and underrated are the dumbest moderations on/. Fortunately, there's an easy way around that.
For the sake of simplicity, insted of each comment having a moderation pull-down, put a moderate link on each comment and link to a moderation page.
For each moderation, include a "not" moderation with the opposite effect. (Examples: Funny +1, Not Funny -1; Troll -1, Not Troll +1)
Get rid of overrated/underrated. Now, when you don't agree with a moderation, you have a way to express that.
In doing this, you would eliminate the cowardly over/under rated moderation, which isn't subject to meta-moderation.
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Pharmboy
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Why was this post modded "overrated" before it had been rated? That's just laziness on the mod's part...geez
Not to argue with the other guys answer, but several people also moderate using only UNDERRATED and OVERRATED because those are the only moderations that are not subject to M2.
So, some spread their bad moderation that is motivated only by their agenda, and not good citizenship, by using these two mods, and never get metamoderated, thus, never get moderation taken away. Not all, but some do this. and its lame. and slashdot wont fix it for some reason.
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Re:"Linus came forth"?
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aardvarkjoe
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People have been complaining about the stupidity of over/underrated for years now. No matter how good your suggestion is, I don't think Taco's going to go for it at this point.
Another easy change that should be made: Flamebait really ought to be removed. Anything that can fairly be modded flamebait could be modded troll anyway, and most moderators seem to think that any unpopular opinion is automatically flamebait.
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How can we continue to believe in a
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Linus vs Cmdr Taco
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Anonymous Coward
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Which one is a bigger fag?
You could jump randomly spot-check them for a month, pump their stomachs, and get the average amount of sperm in there at any given time. But that isn't an accurate measurement since Taco likes negro sperm and it has a higher density, from sitting around on welfare all day. And Linus likes leaving sperm - in the mouths of young boys, specifically. Basically, the fagness of Tuna Taco vs Penis will never be solved, but it can be debated withing these hallowed halls of slashdot. fuckers.
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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vocaro
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While we're on the subject...
My pet peeve is what seems to be the #1 grammar mistake on Slashdot (even in the articles): it's instead of its. (i.e. "Netscape and it's parent company AOL") I can understand messing up a Teddy Roosevelt quote, but a friggin' pronoun?
Tip: If you change "it's" to "it is" and it doesn't make sense, then take out the apostrophe.
Re:Loud-mouthed weasel!
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vocaro
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Carcasm? Is that some sort of vehicular accident?
No, it's the end of a Saturday night spent in the backseat of a car parked up on Makeout Point.
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Anonymous Coward
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They should have a moderation of "flame". What the hell is flaimbait? an unpopular opinion? If a flame war erupts its the flamers fault not the dissenter.\
Also they need a moderation a long the lines of "stupid shit" or "crap" for all the stupid posts that get modded troll. Half the stuff modded troll is definatly not a troll. Offtopic? sometimes, crap? always, troll? rarely.
Re:Dennis Ritchie Comments and Documents from
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marko123
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My OS of choice tends to lean towards the BSD side (simply due to my background as a CS Ph.D. student, I suppose)
Does the CS stand for Cash-Strapped, or Computer Science, or both? Because if it meant both, it would a nice geeky meld of two or more meanings in the one acronym, thus proving you were at least studying Computer Science, and possibly poor.
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Re:"Linus came forth"?
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jaaron
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Another easy change that should be made: Flamebait really ought to be removed. Anything that can fairly be modded flamebait could be modded troll anyway, and most moderators seem to think that any unpopular opinion is automatically flamebait.
The temptation to mod you as flamebait was so great I just had to post instead.:)
Seriously though, I agree completely. My rule of thumb is always mod up. I don't want to waste my mod points on some troll.
-- Who said Freedom was Fair?
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Snoopy77
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"Of course this is probably really because you have to opt out of the extra point manually each time you think it unjustified instead of going to the trouble of adding it if you think it justified."
That's because anyone with the extra point option think that all of their comments are quite naturally +1 Insightful and possibly also +1 Funny all at the same time. To have only one bonus point is almost unAmerican.
p.s Yes, I even bonus pointed this post
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Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Anonymous Coward
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> The boys are going to steel a car
How does one "steel" a car? Are you saying the boys are planning on building an automobile assemblyline and fabricating the various car parts by pouring molten steel into molds?
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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nomadic
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(Of course this is probably really because you have to opt out of the extra point manually each time you think it unjustified instead of going to the trouble of adding it if you think it justified.)
Also it might be because the No Karma Bonus button is a few pixels away from the submit button.
Of course, people who moderate offtopic tend to be humorless gits it seems; when I get mod points I'll mod down for obvious trolls (and, I know a lot of people will be surprised by this, "I don't agree with them" does not equal "troll"). For some reason I picture the overrated modders as being weaselly little neurotic, obsessive-compulsive accountant-type guys; unjustified maybe, but the image keeps coming to me.
I'm sure this post will be modded overrated by someone who thinks it's just unbearably clever and ironic to do so. Ah well, I can afford the karma.
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Anonymous Coward
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The mod system is broken.
I metamod religiously, and at one time probably slapped
down one mod out of a hundred, and skipped modding three
or four others as borderline.
Now I find one or two gross violations each and every
time I metamod.
This includes "insightful" goatse posts, and well-reasoned,
on-topic, uncontroversial posts modded as
"troll" or "flamebait."
And it's slowly but steadily getting worse.
K5 sucks for technical reporting; I still find a lot
more interesting geek material here
(although some of the technical articles on K5
are of a calibre I never see here, they seem to be pretty
sparsely represented).
But the comments here are rarely worth the trouble any
more.
It used to be that most of the non-flame/non-troll
comments on a technical subject were from people who
actually had experience and hard knowledge in the
area.
Now, I see pure guesswork getting modded to +5 even
though it is half-wrong.
If things are so bad for subjects I know about, why
should I trust what I read in areas I don't know
about?
It's getting to the point where I mostly just
mod and metamod, and spend rekatively little time
actually reading the comments at other times.
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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DrMrLordX
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But goatse posts are insightful!
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Anonymous Coward
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But what if a comment is "Funny", just not "+5 Funny"? If I were to mod somthing as "Not Funny", when it actually was reasonably funny, I'd suffer in M2. So, overrated is useful there, when a comment is actually overrated. Amazing.
This isn't an issue with scoop style moderation of course.
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Anonymous Coward
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Hmm... you must have pissed them off - the Offtopic Modders had an orgy all over this entire thread. What a waste of mod points!
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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1u3hr
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The "rules" on "its" and "it's" vary in different parts of the world. It is different in England and the United States, for example.
Okay, I'll bite. How are they different?
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Anonymous Coward
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I have no problem rating posts like this "off topic," as they obviously are. It's not a "I'm gonna git you sucka" response, it's a "This is the proper label for this content" response. Hell, I'd rate my own posts off-topic at posting time, if I could.
It's no big deal.
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Roofus
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I hardly ever see trolls (at least the Goatse kind). I browse higher score first, with anything scored 3 or above brought up. That way, I see all the score 5's then 4's, etc. I don't care enough to read anything under a 3, so I don't =)
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Pharmboy
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really? I m2 every day and yet to see under or over, yet i see them all the time in m1. is it just luck of the draw? Since I have been here a while (years), thats pretty 'lucky' that I have yet to M2 under/overs. I have not seen anything in the FAQ that indicates it either. Not trying to be a smartass, quite sincere.
--you shouldn't have to skip reading the posts themselves, that is pretty "wrong". Sorry you have to do that. I don't have a good answer either, other than doing what other forums do, start banning trolls, and making the distinction of what a troll really is, ie, chronically abusive and vulgur as a good starting point. And the only way to do that effectively is by using a registration system that only allows registered users to post, and they have to use a "real" email addy instead of a throw away. Even that is spoofable, but it cuts down the signal to noise ratio immensely in places where it's been adopted.
Besides that I find the moderation system a little confusing. I tend to try and use my 1 point optional thing up and down as required, like this post I won't take it as it is pretty off topic to the main thread. But I have no problem leaving it on if the topic is more or less there, even if some of the comments I might make are tangential, because that's how human speech works, one thing leads to another, etc.
One of the best shows on PBS that I used to enjoy, the series called "connections". I think it was good because it clearly showed this point, and what interesting areas you could find in the "connect the dots" search. It's like the arguments for the "pro" side for "pure science", you never know what gems might turn up when you are looking for something completely different.
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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TheRaven64
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I've found that if you give a +1 bonus to offtopic mods then/. becomes a lot more readable. A lot of moderators feel that a direct reply to a previous comment is offtopic.
Off topic, who gets to moderate? Is it karma limited, or age limited at all? I still can't meta-mod, even though I have 'Excellent' karma, since I haven't been here very long, but idiots who don't bother to check facts before moderating up often seem to be able to moderate.
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Rick+the+Red
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Hell, I'd rate my own posts off-topic at posting time, if I could.
Well, AC, you could start by getting an account.
-- If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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aardvarkjoe
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I believe that the newest 10% of users is ineligible to moderate. (It's in the FAQ.) I suspect that I've probably been made ineligible for various "abuses" (I'm not very editor-friendly), since it's been a year or so since I moderated. (I can still metamod, though.)
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How can we continue to believe in a
just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
Re:"Linus came forth"?
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Anonymous+DWord
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The problem with over- and underrated in M2 is that they indicate a comment on the score of the post, not the content. When you meta-moderate, you're judging the mods as they relate to the content - this post was funny, the mod was "+1, Funny," OK, fair. In order to M2 an 'overrated' post, you'd have to know what the score was at the time of the moderation, e.g. X post was marked overrated, and at the time was modded +5 funny, so it was funny, but it wasn't that funny. And good luck on getting half a million geeks to agree on how funny a beowulf cluster of hot Soviet Russia grits is (pretty funny).
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And to all a good night! (Hopefully...)
argh, I left the fucking karma bonus on.
I think it's all the weed smoke leaking into my apartment from the neighbors...
Explains why I'm so hungry too...
The fact this is insightful is very funny to me as well. At least the mods have a sense of humour...
One of the best posts ever to grace the pages of Slashdot. Bravo!
Okay, I'll correct you. It's "WRONG", not "WRONGE".
Had to make up for that "FP" did we ;-)
Trust me, I've did my t(r)oll for non-anonycoward FP's.
No, he's a viral license, like GNU.
not only that -- it's a lawsuite???
"liscensing" is English.
"licensing" is American. It's one of the words you had to remove silent letters from to make it easier to remember. Like you do to honour, colour, valour.
Oh yeah, and lieutenant is pronounced "leftenant".
I have to go poop.
Unnh... uuunnnnh.... uuuhhhhhuuuhhh... unnnh.
Okay, I'm done.
Whew, somebody needs to light a match or something!
It was rated. The poster didn't turn off his (her) +1 good karma bonus point, thereby expressing his (her) opinion that his (her) post deserved to be rated at +2 right out of the gate. (Of course this is probably really because you have to opt out of the extra point manually each time you think it unjustified instead of going to the trouble of adding it if you think it justified.)
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Overrated and underrated are the dumbest moderations on /. Fortunately, there's an easy way around that.
In doing this, you would eliminate the cowardly over/under rated moderation, which isn't subject to meta-moderation.
Overrated / Underrated : Moderation
here
Why was this post modded "overrated" before it had been rated? That's just laziness on the mod's part...geez
Not to argue with the other guys answer, but several people also moderate using only UNDERRATED and OVERRATED because those are the only moderations that are not subject to M2.
So, some spread their bad moderation that is motivated only by their agenda, and not good citizenship, by using these two mods, and never get metamoderated, thus, never get moderation taken away. Not all, but some do this. and its lame. and slashdot wont fix it for some reason.
Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
People have been complaining about the stupidity of over/underrated for years now. No matter how good your suggestion is, I don't think Taco's going to go for it at this point.
Another easy change that should be made: Flamebait really ought to be removed. Anything that can fairly be modded flamebait could be modded troll anyway, and most moderators seem to think that any unpopular opinion is automatically flamebait.
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
Which one is a bigger fag?
You could jump randomly spot-check them for a month, pump their stomachs, and get the average amount of sperm in there at any given time. But that isn't an accurate measurement since Taco likes negro sperm and it has a higher density, from sitting around on welfare all day. And Linus likes leaving sperm - in the mouths of young boys, specifically. Basically, the fagness of Tuna Taco vs Penis will never be solved, but it can be debated withing these hallowed halls of slashdot. fuckers.
My pet peeve is what seems to be the #1 grammar mistake on Slashdot (even in the articles): it's instead of its. (i.e. "Netscape and it's parent company AOL") I can understand messing up a Teddy Roosevelt quote, but a friggin' pronoun?
Tip: If you change "it's" to "it is" and it doesn't make sense, then take out the apostrophe.
_SCO_ _is_ _full_ _of_ _shit_ _._
No, it's the end of a Saturday night spent in the backseat of a car parked up on Makeout Point.
They should have a moderation of "flame". What the hell is flaimbait? an unpopular opinion? If a flame war erupts its the flamers fault not the dissenter.\
Also they need a moderation a long the lines of "stupid shit" or "crap" for all the stupid posts that get modded troll. Half the stuff modded troll is definatly not a troll. Offtopic? sometimes, crap? always, troll? rarely.
My OS of choice tends to lean towards the BSD side (simply due to my background as a CS Ph.D. student, I suppose)
Does the CS stand for Cash-Strapped, or Computer Science, or both? Because if it meant both, it would a nice geeky meld of two or more meanings in the one acronym, thus proving you were at least studying Computer Science, and possibly poor.
http://pcblues.com - Digits and Wood
Another easy change that should be made: Flamebait really ought to be removed. Anything that can fairly be modded flamebait could be modded troll anyway, and most moderators seem to think that any unpopular opinion is automatically flamebait.
:)
The temptation to mod you as flamebait was so great I just had to post instead.
Seriously though, I agree completely. My rule of thumb is always mod up. I don't want to waste my mod points on some troll.
Who said Freedom was Fair?
"Of course this is probably really because you have to opt out of the extra point manually each time you think it unjustified instead of going to the trouble of adding it if you think it justified."
That's because anyone with the extra point option think that all of their comments are quite naturally +1 Insightful and possibly also +1 Funny all at the same time. To have only one bonus point is almost unAmerican.
p.s Yes, I even bonus pointed this post
"She's a West Texas girl, just like me" - G.W Bush Iraqis
> The boys are going to steel a car
How does one "steel" a car? Are you saying the boys are planning on building an automobile assemblyline and fabricating the various car parts by pouring molten steel into molds?
(Of course this is probably really because you have to opt out of the extra point manually each time you think it unjustified instead of going to the trouble of adding it if you think it justified.)
Also it might be because the No Karma Bonus button is a few pixels away from the submit button.
Of course, people who moderate offtopic tend to be humorless gits it seems; when I get mod points I'll mod down for obvious trolls (and, I know a lot of people will be surprised by this, "I don't agree with them" does not equal "troll"). For some reason I picture the overrated modders as being weaselly little neurotic, obsessive-compulsive accountant-type guys; unjustified maybe, but the image keeps coming to me.
I'm sure this post will be modded overrated by someone who thinks it's just unbearably clever and ironic to do so. Ah well, I can afford the karma.
The mod system is broken. I metamod religiously, and at one time probably slapped down one mod out of a hundred, and skipped modding three or four others as borderline. Now I find one or two gross violations each and every time I metamod. This includes "insightful" goatse posts, and well-reasoned, on-topic, uncontroversial posts modded as "troll" or "flamebait." And it's slowly but steadily getting worse.
K5 sucks for technical reporting; I still find a lot more interesting geek material here (although some of the technical articles on K5 are of a calibre I never see here, they seem to be pretty sparsely represented). But the comments here are rarely worth the trouble any more.
It used to be that most of the non-flame/non-troll comments on a technical subject were from people who actually had experience and hard knowledge in the area. Now, I see pure guesswork getting modded to +5 even though it is half-wrong. If things are so bad for subjects I know about, why should I trust what I read in areas I don't know about? It's getting to the point where I mostly just mod and metamod, and spend rekatively little time actually reading the comments at other times.
But goatse posts are insightful!
But what if a comment is "Funny", just not "+5 Funny"? If I were to mod somthing as "Not Funny", when it actually was reasonably funny, I'd suffer in M2. So, overrated is useful there, when a comment is actually overrated. Amazing .
This isn't an issue with scoop style moderation of course.
Hmm... you must have pissed them off - the Offtopic Modders had an orgy all over this entire thread. What a waste of mod points!
Okay, I'll bite. How are they different?
I have no problem rating posts like this "off topic," as they obviously are. It's not a "I'm gonna git you sucka" response, it's a "This is the proper label for this content" response. Hell, I'd rate my own posts off-topic at posting time, if I could.
It's no big deal.
I hardly ever see trolls (at least the Goatse kind). I browse higher score first, with anything scored 3 or above brought up. That way, I see all the score 5's then 4's, etc. I don't care enough to read anything under a 3, so I don't =)
really? I m2 every day and yet to see under or over, yet i see them all the time in m1. is it just luck of the draw? Since I have been here a while (years), thats pretty 'lucky' that I have yet to M2 under/overs. I have not seen anything in the FAQ that indicates it either. Not trying to be a smartass, quite sincere.
Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
--you shouldn't have to skip reading the posts themselves, that is pretty "wrong". Sorry you have to do that. I don't have a good answer either, other than doing what other forums do, start banning trolls, and making the distinction of what a troll really is, ie, chronically abusive and vulgur as a good starting point. And the only way to do that effectively is by using a registration system that only allows registered users to post, and they have to use a "real" email addy instead of a throw away. Even that is spoofable, but it cuts down the signal to noise ratio immensely in places where it's been adopted.
Besides that I find the moderation system a little confusing. I tend to try and use my 1 point optional thing up and down as required, like this post I won't take it as it is pretty off topic to the main thread. But I have no problem leaving it on if the topic is more or less there, even if some of the comments I might make are tangential, because that's how human speech works, one thing leads to another, etc.
One of the best shows on PBS that I used to enjoy, the series called "connections". I think it was good because it clearly showed this point, and what interesting areas you could find in the "connect the dots" search. It's like the arguments for the "pro" side for "pure science", you never know what gems might turn up when you are looking for something completely different.
Off topic, who gets to moderate? Is it karma limited, or age limited at all? I still can't meta-mod, even though I have 'Excellent' karma, since I haven't been here very long, but idiots who don't bother to check facts before moderating up often seem to be able to moderate.
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If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
I believe that the newest 10% of users is ineligible to moderate. (It's in the FAQ.) I suspect that I've probably been made ineligible for various "abuses" (I'm not very editor-friendly), since it's been a year or so since I moderated. (I can still metamod, though.)
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
The problem with over- and underrated in M2 is that they indicate a comment on the score of the post, not the content. When you meta-moderate, you're judging the mods as they relate to the content - this post was funny, the mod was "+1, Funny," OK, fair. In order to M2 an 'overrated' post, you'd have to know what the score was at the time of the moderation, e.g. X post was marked overrated, and at the time was modded +5 funny, so it was funny, but it wasn't that funny. And good luck on getting half a million geeks to agree on how funny a beowulf cluster of hot Soviet Russia grits is (pretty funny).
"If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States and our allies, he's sorely mistaken." Bush on bin Laden