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January-February 2003 FreeBSD Status Report

Dan writes "FreeBSD's Scott Long provides the Jan-Feb 2003 bi-monthly FreeBSD status report. Highlights include focus on making 5.0 faster via more fine-grained locking, adding high-end features like memort support for i386. FreeBSD 5.1 is expected to ship in late May, early June, with 5.2 following end of summer with significant speed and stability improvements over 5.0. FreeBSD 4.8 release due shortly adds XFree86 4.3.0 and intel hyperthreading support. Major FreeBSD project statuses are also provided in this report."

23 comments

  1. Looking forward to 4.8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    To put on my laptop. Great OS, fast and supremely stable.

    Come on, someone else must want to post a comment here!

    1. Re:Looking forward to 4.8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you tell me why I would put FreeBSD on my computer rather than Debian Linux? I am just curious. Is it just to be different?

    2. Re:Looking forward to 4.8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you tell me why I would put Debian Linux on my computer rather than Windows? I am just curious. Is it just to be different?

    3. Re:Looking forward to 4.8 by Xsh-II · · Score: 0

      The reasons why I choose Linux over Windows are because of the choices it gives me. In Linux I can choose a variety of applications and test to see what the best is, without having to invest in buying the software (or being illegal). Linux provides you with a choice of most things and allows me to tweak and get deeper into the workings of my Operating System than Windows does.
      Other people don't like Linux however, as with the extra tweaking comes extra time that is needed to be put into getting the OS running exactly as you want it.

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    4. Re:Looking forward to 4.8 by Xsh-II · · Score: 0

      I definitely looking forward to the 4.8 release of FreeBSD because of this: "Lots of last minute work is going into to it to deliver features like XFree86 4.3.0, Intel HyperThreading(tm) support, and of course many more bug fixes". I have a Xeon game server going in to Telehouse in London that will be running FreeBSD and so the introduction of hyperthreading into the latest release will be a welcome addition

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    5. Re:Looking forward to 4.8 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, as does FreeBSD. But FreeBSD gives you more freedom. The question was more of a redundant question. Why one person chooses Linux over Windows is the same reason(s) a person chooses FreeBSD over GNU/Linux and Windows. Personally I feel FreeBSD is the better choice of the two.

    6. Re:Looking forward to 4.8 by Arandir · · Score: 1

      Let's see. It's extremely stable and robust. But more so than Debian? Hard to say. I would say "yes", but that's my opinion. So let's assume it's equally as stable as Debian. Let's move on to other stuff.

      FreeBSD has complete documentation. I've never seen any Linux distro even come close to FreeBSD in terms of documenation. FreeBSD doesn't believe in the GNU idea that man pages are bad. There are man pages for everything in the OS. And they're good man pages. Then you have an excellent handbook, faq, and miscellaneous books and articles. These are superb.

      Then there is "ease-of-use". Frankly, Debian is one of the harder Linux distros to use. Since you already know it, it may seem pretty easy, but you did have a very steep learning curve to get there. I've used both systems, so at least I can judge somewhat in their area. FreeBSD installation is much simpler than Debians. It's not as easy as, let's say, Lindows or Xandros, but it is very straight forward. Using packages/ports is as easy, if not easier than apt-get. In fact, building a CPU optimized package from source is just as easy as installing a prebuilt package.

      Finally, FreeBSD is more UNIX like than Debian. Is this a good thing? Yes! Why bother with a UNIX like operating system if it's not UNIX like. FreeBSD is real geniune UNIX in all but name (due to trademark issues). But at the same time, you can still run all your GNU's-not-unix software on it, because GNU wasn't designed to be for a single OS (even if it was orignally intended to be a single OS). You can even run all of your binary Linux software on it to, like Acroread, VMWare, etc.

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  2. Developer lashes out: What Killled FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    The End of FreeBSD

    [ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

    When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

    Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

    FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

    It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

    So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

    Discussion

    I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

    From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

    There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

    Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

    Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

    Shouts

    To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

    To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It'

  3. *BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying

  4. life's a bitch when you are dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Death. Rigor mortis. Decay. BSD

  5. Silly rabbit by Tuxinatorium · · Score: -1, Troll

    FreeBSD is for overgrown kids living in their parents' basement with nothing better to do.

    Use a REAL operating system, like Windows XP.

    1. Re:Silly rabbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      you insensitive bastard, we don't even have a basement.

  6. FreeBSD is LIVING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's true. FreeBSD is a rock-solid operating system, distributed under a free software license. FreeBSD is becoming more and more popular with system administrators for web servers, DNS servers, and any other applications where stability and speed are required. It's not too shabby on the the desktop either, since it supports the latest XFree86 and desktop environments.

  7. Elegy for *BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    Elegy For *BSD


    I am a *BSD user
    and I try hard to be brave
    That is a tall order
    *BSD's foot is in the grave.

    I tap at my toy keyboard
    and whistle a happy tune
    but keeping happy's so hard,
    *BSD died so soon.

    Each day I wake and softly sob
    Nightfall finds me crying
    Not only am I a zit faced slob
    but *BSD is dying.

  8. In case of Slashdotting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    FreeBSD bi-monthly report

    Prepared by L. User

    It has been a good couple of months for FreeBSD. Highlights include:

    1) Only a 5% drop in the number of users (56 total to 53).
    2) A slight reduction in the number of *BSD is dying posts.
    3) Support for all PS/2 devices is now complete. You can throw away those AT keybaords people !
    4) A prototype server called a web server is now up and running for the FreeBSD organisation. Soon we hope to get something called a domain name.
    5) FreeBSD cannow be obtained on 34 5 1/4'' floppy disks. Thanks to Aaron C. for his fantastic work.

    To sum up, a good two months for FreeBSD.

    1. Re:In case of Slashdotting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy, you people are flaky.

    2. Re:In case of Slashdotting... by essdodson · · Score: 1

      I was playing with my USB mouse a good 6 months before my Linux zealot friends were franticly recompiling their kernels to checkout the long over due USB support.

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    3. Re:In case of Slashdotting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >4) A prototype server called a web server is >now up and running for the FreeBSD >organisation. Soon we hope to get something >called a domain name.

      ????
      Check this out dumphead:
      http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mo de_u=off&mo de_w=on&site=www.apache.org&submit=Examine

  9. FreeBSD by thanjee · · Score: 1

    I am just waiting patiently for FreeBSD 5.x to become the stable version.

    I am also waiting for MIDI to start working properly too. As soon as MIDI works there will be no need for me to use any other OS.

    Yes, I know the documentation states how to add MIDI to the kernel, but the code behind it just doesn't seem to be written yet, cos it does nothing.....oh well, also waiting patiently for that.

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  10. January-February 2003 FreeBSD Status Report by MainframeKiller · · Score: 1


    I thought FreeBSD was dead?

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    1. Re:January-February 2003 FreeBSD Status Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Score 1???????
      Mainframe killer, along with your mainframes
      do us a favor and kill yourself too.

  11. FreeBSD is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Deal with it.
    2. Get over it.
    3. Move on.
    1. Re:FreeBSD is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder who pays bitches like the one above.