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RMS Turns 50

gnuhead writes "RMS is turning 50 on the 16th, according to this post in the FSF India mailing list. Some of the members have decided to give a birthday gift to RMS by celebrating March 16th to April 15th as 'GNU/Linux' month, and having a 'It's GNU/Linux dammit!' email sig. for this month. Happy birthday RMS!!!"

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  1. GNU/Linux, fah! by StandardDeviant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This would be like building your house out of lumber and stuff you bought from Home Depot, and having Home Depot come along after the place is built with a sign saying "Built by Home Depot, with some help by the sweaty bastard living here."

    In other words, while the FSF made many valuable contributions to the Linux "movement" as it were, seeking to rename Linux is at best presumptuous.

    1. Re:GNU/Linux, fah! by dbarclay10 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I don't care what other people call it - I call it "unix", and everybody seems to get the idea :)

      That being said, you misunderstand what they refer to when they say "GNU/Linux". They aren't referring to the kernel itself. If they felt that the kernel (Linux itself) was FSF software, they'd just call it "GNU" :) No, they're referring to what almost every laymen refers to when they say "Linux" - the complete system, as sold by distributors.

      Huge portions of a standard Linux distribution are GNU software, and they're arguably some of the most important parts (the compiler, the system libraries). When they say "you should call -it- GNU/Linux", they aren't referring to the kernel. They're refferring to the kernel *and* the rest of the system, of which the kernel is a relatively small part. The "GNU" in "GNU/Linux" refers to the GNU software that the distribution is built on, not the kernel. That's what the "Linux" part in "GNU/Linux" refers to.

      All clear I hope :)

      --

      Barclay family motto:
      Aut agere aut mori.
      (Either action or death.)
    2. Re:GNU/Linux, fah! by kien · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Stallman wrote the GNU general puplic licence. That is a great legal invention.

      I don't know if "invention" is the right word to use; I would tend to say "Stallman's most clever hack ever was a hack on legal code, not computer code" and I'm not even sure if that's accurate. But I do agree with the spirit of your post: the GPL has done wonders for the freedom of computer users.

      I just got back home after attending the FSF Associate Membership meeting at MIT yesterday. Eben Moglen mentioned in his presentation that he has never once had to go to court to defend GPL'ed software. The thing that had most of us chuckling throughout his presentation was what he attributed this success to: TACT! ;)

      RMS is certainly eccentric, but history is full of eccentric leaders and I believe that history will be kind to this one.

      Happy Birthday, RMS!

      --K.
      --
      Sig: Bad people happen. Try to avoid being one of them.
    3. Re:GNU/Linux, fah! by MCZapf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is there a clause in the GPL that says you must name distributions that include GNU utilities, "GNU/Whatever"? If there isn't, then anything anyone says on the subject, including RMS, is merely a suggestion. Even if such a clause were there, I wouldn't think it would be enforceable.

  2. Happy Birthday, Richard! by Spyffe · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Thank you for providing a bastion of principle that can rival the forces of closed-source.

    Although in the long-term, it would be nice if we could trust companies enough to use BSD-based licenses, right now we can't trust big business farther than we can throw them.

    As a result, a strong and uncompromising stance is the only thing that will protect Free software. And that is the stance you have taken.

    May you see the day when business and Free software are no longer seen as mutually exclusive.

    --
    Sigmentation fault - core dumped
    1. Re:Happy Birthday, Richard! by skillet-thief · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Although in the long-term, it would be nice if we could trust companies enough to use BSD-based licenses, right now we can't trust big business farther than we can throw them. As a result, a strong and uncompromising stance is the only thing that will protect Free software. And that is the stance you have taken.

      Things would be very different today, right now, if the GPL didn't exist, or if it had been allowed to be watered down by a series of little compromises.

      --

      Congratulations! Now we are the Evil Empire

  3. Why not the FSF/Emacs/GCC/GDB month? by HuguesT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can see everybody trolling on the GNU/Linux issue, but really seriously Stallman stands for a *lot* more than that. Without him:

    - no Free Software Foundation. no GNU! at all!
    - no Emacs
    - no GCC
    - no GDB
    - no GNU/Make

    Very likely there would be no Linux and no *free* BSD either. We would be using SCO and BSDI!

    I don't care about the GNU/blabla name myself but his contribution, both technical and philosophical, is simply enormous. In years to come people will compare who in the early years of the personal computer made the most impact, between Bill Gates and RMS. For now the jury is still out, but I know which one I respect most and whose software I use!

    Happy birthay RMS, many return! -- and thanks for not letting compromise dilute your message. May the hordes understand you some day.

    1. Re:Why not the FSF/Emacs/GCC/GDB month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      THANK YOU!!!!!!

      Finally somebody who realizes that even if you don't care for RMS personally, Open Source may not even be here today without him. The whole unwashed slashdot mob really makes me angry sometimes. RMS has made more contributions to the whole Open Source movement, both in code, money, time, pholsophy and conviction than perhaps anybody else on the planet. If you don't like him, fine, but please respect what he has done.

      On the other hand reading the comments, I can't help but think that most people who have posted are 5th grade class clowns that don't understand anything that happens in the world other than what day they get their allowance.

      "Happy birthay RMS, many return! -- and thanks for not letting compromise dilute your message. May the hordes understand you some day." - I couldn't agree more. Cheers!

  4. The benefits of the GPL by jtotheh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was trying to find the current hiding place of the cygwin utilities one day at work and I thought for a minute they had been pulled from the "market" - then I thought, "wait a minute, that software is protected by the GPL, they couldn't do that!" --- so I kept googling and found them. That realization was sort of a GNU/Zen moment for me.

    Thanks to RMS for charting a solution through the horrors of software patents and such.

  5. Re:Had to say it.. by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While he may have done good works over the years, the guy is a nutjob! He was on Tech TV a few months back and Leo Laporte (himself an obseqious little git) looked embarassed as RMS ranted on about free software.

    So happy birthday RMS. May age mellow your demeanour.

  6. Re:Happy Birthday RMS by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like Ralph Nader and Jello Biafra. One need not like him to appreciate that every spectrum needs to have extreme ends.
    Dunno how he calls himself an atheist on stallman.org. Clearly worships his ideas...

    --
    Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
  7. GNU/Linux, XEmacs and clibs by jbolden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the context of the whole Linux vs. GNU/Linux debate is entirely lost on people having read the thread below. The suggestion came out of a time where the Linux kernel group had forked the C library because they were unhappy with the FSF's management. That wasn't bad what was bad was their very casual attitude towards the fork "we aren't GNU users wer are Linux users". An attitude which Linus didn't share (he essentially the kernel as a short term kernel until Hurd was finished).

    Contrast this with the attitude of the Lucent towards their fork of emacs. They had tried very hard to work out compromises. While they were unable to reunite enough so that package managers could write for one platform the XEmacs team never failed to recognize XEmacs as a product born of Emacs.

    RMS felt that the primary problem was the distinctive name. XEmacs users couldn't help but see their work as derived from Emacs because of the name while it was very easy for Linux users to fail to understand the dependencies on GNU products. How things like Binutils were vital to creating a GPL kernel, and at the same time had been boring tedious unfun work for the FSF. Just ask yourself the simple question if XEmacs had been called Xlispedit might Xlispedit users have neccesarily seen the connection between their editor and the FSF's?

    RMS got a little heavy handed with Debian over the Linux GNU/Linux issue and this among other issues resulted in Debian becoming independent of the FSF. Now consider that RMS followed this up with two more battles:

    a) The battle against KDE
    b) The battle against the term "open source"
    and you can see how he's made enemies.

    The fact is that:

    a) Linux is part of the GNU project

    b) A large number of Linux users do not know this

    b2) A time when a lot of Linux users learn about this is during discussion of Linux vs. GNU/Linux :-)

    c) An even larger number of Linux users do not understand the philosophy and motivation of the GNU project (though a pretty high percentage think they do)

    d) RMS's battle against QT resulted in huge improvements to QT/C++. Today QT could play the same role for C++ that the C-standard library does for C. That can't help but benefit KDE over the long haul. The treatment was very painful and the results are highly positive.

    e) Everything RMS said would happen regarding the term "open source" has happened.

    Anyway happy birthday RMS. I hope the next 10 years are as succesful as these 10. Winning battles can take a great out of you.

  8. Political Statements by Synn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But if somebody says they have "GNU/Linux", they're just making a political statement.

    I don't think even RMS would disagree with this.

    The FSF is very political, because they're fighting a idealogical war.

    On the one hand we have dictators like Microsoft that put a tax on any computer Joe Average buys and strips their natural rights away through EULA's. On the other hand we have the FSF beating the drum for the GPL and software that guarantees the user's rights.

    I personally don't go around saying GNU/Linux, mainly because it's a mouthful, but I do understand why the GNU/Linux people preach it: they're trying to increase mindshare about free software.

    And Linux wouldn't exist without free software.

  9. Re:Had to say it.. by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet for better or worse he will always be the guy who really got the free software movement rolling. BSD continues to plod along while Linux steals the show. You can hardly attribute that to technical differences. I attribute it to Stallman's GPL - a license only a fanatic would have dreamed up.