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Freenet 0.5.1 Released, P2P Network Stabilizing
mids writes "With version 0.5.1, Freenet isn't only the most secure & anonymous P2P network, but also getting pretty fast!
Reliable downloading of files as large as 700MB from Freenet at average download rates as high as 100k/sec on a broadband internet connection are sighted (which compares quite favorably to more conventional P2P applications)."
I hope it has just as much pr0n!!!
Freenet has child porn?!
Wow!
FINALLY I can stop molesting the neighbourhood kids!
Thanks FREENET, for making the world a safer place for children!
It can't be used practically. If you want to upload something important, chances are you'll be found out and shot before it gets on freenet. that is, assuming java doesn't return some error like NullExeptionPointer.
There is another problem, if you don't tell anyone the key, evetually it will just disappear. And since there is no search engine, this is even worse.
It's great for kiddie porn tho, just download the cryroom file.
This is one of the big problems with peer to peer, it cannot be policed effectively, which means that it will always be used for bad things.
Now many people say something along the lines of 'cars can be used to kill people, so should we ban cars then?' which would be a good point were it not utter rubbish. Cars can be used to kill people but their benifits (getting people from A to B, reducing the need for walking, providing employment to millions of loyal americans) far outweighs this prolem. Their cost/benifit analysis is good and in addition there is a well defined way of policing their use.
peer to peer networks on the other hand are used for the following:
1. Distributing pornography (immoral and in many cases a breach of copyright, in addition the lack of policing means that children as young as 3 can see this stuff)
2. Movie/Mp3 sharing (stealing: and don't give me that rubbish about legal MP3s, go do a search on Kazaa for any commercial record and you will get literally thousands of hits)
3.Circumventing goverment restrictions (ok some govermnets put unreasonable restrictions on what their citizens can view but these are few and far between and in many cases these countries are fairly lawless anyway and so need strong tactics to maintain law and order. Most regulations imposed by governments are well thought out, examples including not selling nazi memorabilia or posting instructions as to how to make a dirty bomb. the anonymity provided by p2p is ideal for material such as this to be exchanged)
From this we can see that the cost benefit/analysis of anarchic p2p is simply too low for it to be acceptable. I know this isn't a popular view with the slashdot crowd but if you really want to chare open source software then petition the government to set up a well policed and accountable (i.e. hold the names and addresses of those using the service) centralized service through which people can do this.
Have any of you actually used Freenet ? It's a mass of broken links (or perhaps they would have arrived eventually - I only waited an hour).
More importantly, have any of you clowns actually read the Freenet specifications ? There's no anonymity in it - there's just hiding of the information needed to perform the most direct, trivial attacks. Do you really think a governmental or corporate adversary couldn't do better than that ?
how do you like knowing linux is used by the army to kill children?
How many more skyscrapers would you like to see fall? You Osama "misunderstood freedom fighter" bin Laden fanboys crack me up.
That's why we have to play policeman to the world, keeping things orderly.
That's why we can refer to other countries as "criminals" now when they don't submit to our will. There's no mythical "sovereignty" anymore.
The sooner you realize this FACT , the less you'll get your asses kicked.
Is a way to pirate software and distribute child porno.
While you can put public domain texts on freenet -- you can also do that on the web without any fear of persecution.
The only people with a real need to use an anonymous medium for communication are criminals and political dissidents. Since there isn't political oppression in most nations with unencumbered internet access, freenet will never be a repository of literature and information.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
Dude, your an idiot,
" kiddie porn itself is not a crime"
So it's illegal to make, sell, buy and have, but you want to maintain some argument that it itself is not illegal?
"Viewing it however should not be a crime, what right does anyone have to say that you cant view something?"
I believe it's commonly referred to as the 'social contract' which means that we all agree not to kill and maim each other.
"No money is being made, no ones being harmed,"
Nobody is being harmed in the making of kiddie porn?
I'm going to stop now, take you as an ignorant troll and move on. whoever modded you up is an idiot.
Most child porn which can be stopped is profitable, Child porn which abusers create to trade will never be stopped EVER in a million years and theres no point in even trying. Thats not trying to stop "stealing" you cant.
"Distributing it is just as bad as creating it yourself. If you distribute child porn, you are helping pedophiles indulge in their sick fantasies, which have a nasty way of becoming a horrible reality once they work themselves up to act on the fantasy. If you distribute it, you are contributing to the future suffering of yet more children."
Not everyone viewing it is a pedophile, you assume this. Sure the fantasy is sick to most people, but they have a right to have sick fantasies, thats not illegal, theres alot of other fantasies just as sick, scat, necrophillia, and so on, who are you to tell them what they can and cannot think about?
"Which have a nasty way of becoming a horrible reality once they work themselves up to act on the fantasy. If you distribute it, you are contributing to the future suffering of yet more children."
Yes so Quake and Doom must be outlawed, its the games fault for columbine, the game helped them indulge in their sick fantasies and work their way up to the real thing, right? WRONG! Those kids were CRAZY!!! Crazy people do crazy things regardless of if they indulge in it or not, they dont have self control and would rape and kill even if they never saw a child porn movie.
Just like serial killers killed before quake existed, they still kill now, should we outlaw quake because some sickos actually want to act out their sick fantasies? No Quake is legal.
Why should we outlaw child porn distribution? Just looking at it doesnt mean you are a pedophile or that you are a rapist. Yes you might have some weird fantasies but not everyone acts them out in real life, some people know the difference between real and fantasy, in fact I'd say most sane people do, what you are telling me is, child porn should not be distributed because a few "crazy" people might obey the power of the image and do what they see.
Someone whos that crazy would rape and kill even if they never saw a child porn or played quake, because its in their NATURE to do so.
Think I'm wrong? We all look at porn, all of us, I'm not a rapist, you arent a rapist, but I'm sure we both look at porn with women having sex with guys. If its ok to believe you or I can look at porn as ordinary people and not act out our fantasies, why should the person with the kiddie porn fetish somehow have a different standard?
IF you truely believe what you just said, ALL porn should be outlawed because hey, people do whatever they see and if they see people having sex it will cause so many innocent people to be raped.
"The only legitimate reason to view child porn is to use it to look for clues as to where it was made so you can find the criminal who made it and stop him (or her, for that matter). Anything else -- distributing it, viewing it -- makes you complicit in the acts that were done to create it."
Thats bullshit, how the hell can I walk into a blockbuster and buy faces of death, (Far more sick than any kiddie porn movie) where people are getting killed for real, and thats legal and fine, but somehow child porn has a different standard?
How can someone buy a Book like Hitlers books, which can cause a person with a weak mind to hate, and this is perfectly legal?
How can you buy games like Quake,Doom etc? What about rock & roll, rap music, etc? Do you blame rap music for creating Ghettos? Do you blame rock & roll for drug use?
You are really this simple minded?
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