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Al Gore Joins Apple's Board Of Directors

zzxc writes "News.com.com reports that Al Gore has been chosen to be on Apple's board of directors. Apple has a press release with more information. According to the press release, 'Al brings an incredible wealth of knowledge and wisdom to Apple from having helped run the largest organization in the world--the United States government' and 'He has remained an active leader in technology--launching a public/private effort to wire every classroom and library in America to the Internet.' The inventor of the internet should be a valuable asset to Apple."

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  1. al gore _did_ invent the internet by matt4077 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, maybe he didn't invent it, but he actually was one of a few politicians actively promoting the internet.

    Therefore we should be thankful instead of always making fun of that one statement he once made.

    1. Re:al gore _did_ invent the internet by jxs2151 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Please take care to provide the exact quote if you are going to accuse people of misquoting.

      The actual quote is "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

  2. Politics by EnlightenedDuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My guess would be that it has more to do with governmental contacts than expertise about computers - Gore must have a pretty good list of contacts throughout government by now, and if that can help Apple, why shouldn't they tap him to be on their board of directors? Beats another lawyer....

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  3. DMCA? by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wasn't it the government Al Gore helped run that brought us the DMCA?

    It might not be a good thing having him as a director at one of the few big tech companies that is still customer friendly.

    Jason
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    1. Re:DMCA? by Ivan+Karamazov · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wouldn't get your panties so bunched up about Al Gore and the DMCA. Remember that it was Gore and the Clinton administration that tried to break up Microsoft. (Unlike the current admin that just decided they will no longer enforce anti-trust laws.) Gore clearly has a pro-technology and pro-technology-choice bent. Al Gore may be able to do a lot for Apple. He certainly has a lot of connections. This could be a really smart move on Apple's part.

      Interesting side note, President Clinton and Jobs were pretty tight, while Michael Dell was a big supporter of Dubya. I think that says a lot...

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  4. Re: Al Gore Joins Apple's Board Of Directors by BWJones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Politics aside, (Disclaimer: I voted for him) this may be just what Apple needs. Someone who is capable, knows business, government and academia and is not an Apple insider.

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  5. Because... by Goonie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whether you like it or not (I certainly don't) a majority of Americans seem to think executing teenagers and the mentally ill in a revenge kick is just fine and dandy, and don't understand just how much Shrub has managed to piss the rest of the world off in an incredibly short space of time.

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  6. Re: Al Gore Joins Apple's Board Of Directors by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. Al Gore knows business. I doubt it. His only job since college that wasnt government was as a reporter for a local newspaper. And that was for a brief time.

    He has been instrumental in getting business and government to cooperate in wiring classrooms nationwide, and is currently a senior advisor for Google, Inc.

    2. Al Gore knows/is academic[a]. I doubt it. He isn't particularly well educated by any standards. He is college educated, which is something for sure. He is presumably very bright, but as somewhat who has meet him and had some conversation with him, he came off as kinda dim. Not GWBush dim, but clearly not razor sharp.

    I can't claim to have talked with him personally, but I have read his writings, speeches etc... and he comes off pretty bright to this person with 13 or so years of post high-school education. And from the press release: "He is also a visiting professor at the University of California Los Angeles, Fisk University and Middle Tennessee State University. Mr. Gore received his B.A. in Government with honors from Harvard University in 1969, and attended the Vanderbilt University School of Religion and the Vanderbilt University School of Law." I would say this qualifies.

    3. Al Gore is not an Apple insider.
    That is good. But on the other hand, he isn't likely to be able to affect much of how Apple operates because of that same reason.


    Where is you logic here? This is a totally bogus and biased statement with no evidence to back it up.

    4. Al Gore knows government. True, but he knew the last government. That's a problem. He knew a lot of key decisons makers and might have been able to leverage those. Now there is a new government, and many decisions of scale and size are made by political apointee's and their sub-ordinates. This means he in fact has very little leverage for Apple now that GWBush is in office.

    Again, from the press release: "He served for a total of eight years as President of the Senate, a member of the cabinet and the National Security Council, and as the leader of a wide range of Administration initiatives including environmental policy, technology, science, communications and government cost reduction."

    You can't possibly have this level of experience and not be able to navigate government past and present. In fact, in my personal experience, having even a little degree of connection with government does wonders for ones business. Al Gore has most folks trumped here by a long shot.

    But seriously, this is interesting but not really all that good for Apple, in my opinion. He is a controversial, and turns alot of people of (about 49% of voters at last count).

    Well, that is an opinion and as for your percentage (matching that of the last election), the majority of folks like him.

    That's not a good quality for a company who is very image focused. Even if only 1 in 1000 people hate him enough to not buy Apple products, will it outweigh the number of people who will buy Apple products because they like him? Probably not.

    Gee, let's see, Apple is doing quite well with 4-5% of the personal computer market. If they can appeal to at least the majority of the U.S. population, that can only be a good thing for the company.

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  7. Re:I don't get it. by goon+america · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How does Rush do it?

    Because he gives them something they want: to feel powerful, justified.

    He's good at coming up with excuses to distract away from the positive and draw focus on the negative in a way that makes people who agree with him feel more assured about what they think. Naturally, the positions he advocates need a lot of rationalization.

  8. Re:Insert Internet Inventor Joke Here by WatertonMan · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'll never understand this mindset. For all intents and purposes it was a tie. The constitution and other rules told what to do in this case. For every argument about "a few votes here or there" Republicans could make the same argument. Hell, if there was a national recount I suspect the popular vote may even have changed.

    The most important thing to realize is that in such a statistical tie, the general populace didn't care who was President. Yes there were zealots on the right and left who did. But by and large they couldn't really convince enough people to get anything other than a tie.

    Anyone who says they were robbed (or for Republicans "could have been robbed") misses this fundamental point.

    Once someone starts bringing in conspiracy theories we know it is pointless to keep talking. Republicans claimed conspiracies in the Kennedy - Nixon election. And, given events in Chicago, they were probably right. But once again there wasn't an overwhelming decision. So who cares?

    Now if someone can point to a 5% difference and vote rigging then I'll listen. Otherwise it is just sour grapes.

  9. Re:I have to go hear him lecture next week by Screaming+Lunatic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That's a slanted question. He'll figure out what you want to hear. Ask him this instead:

    "You've just recently been added to Apple's board of directors. What are your feelings towards Apple's current stance on Digital Rights Management? Would that stance change now that you are a member of Apple's board of directors?"

    Always strip the adjectives out of your questions. You want to find out which way the respondent is leaning without giving away which way the questioner is leaning.

    After the 2nd question is answered, then hammer him with further questions depending on if he answered in the affirmative or not.

  10. OK, one refutation coming right up by davebo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Here's a little something Rush has said in the last few weeks - particularly relevant with the unstable state of the world today.

    You can get this quote from the Rush Limbaugh transcript archive from Tuesday, Feb 25, 2003:

    Rush: "the one nation on earth to whom this is only and all about oil is France. France imports most of its oil, and gets the vast majority of that from Iraq. They have sweet economic deals that go back to the 70s made between Saddam Hussein and Jacques Strap Chirac, and I'm telling you, their opposition to this is rooted solely in their desire for an uninterrupted, continued supply of oil from Iraq."

    Let's see what the Department of Energy has to say about this little bombshell:

    "French imports come primarily from Saudi Arabia and Norway, followed by the United Kingdom (UK), Iraq, Iran, Nigeria, and Russia. In July 2001, the Iraqi government stated that it would reconsider oil projects with French companies and no longer give French companies "priority" due to France's support of the U.S.-British "Smart Sanctions" proposal at the United Nations Security Council."

    So - no, France does not import "the vast majority" of its oil from Iraq, and any "sweet deals" they had worked out were apparently ended in 2001 because France wanted to continue sanctions against Iraq.

    Think of all the "anit-France" bashing going on in the U.S. right now. Don't you think this kind of claim from Rush helps contribute to that? Does it really have the same impact if Rush says, "for France, this is all about oil from their 4th largest supplier that cut their oil companies out in 2001 because of their willingness to continue with sanctions?"

    I don't know - maybe you'll say "well, it's just one little misstatement", but it's symptomatic of a pattern. There is more than one of these "little misstatements" that get thrown out there, that nobody bothers to follow up on, and that shape the tone of the debate (for the worse, I'll say - because it's not based on the truth).

    Browse his radio transcripts (see the link above). Look for particularly inflammatory claims, or statements of fact. Do some research on your own to see if it's exactly as Rush has proclaimed. Perhaps you'll find out 99% of what he says is true. Perhaps not. But at least then YOU can say with confidence that you trust what he says because YOU have checked up on him.

    oh, yea - I did a fair amount of looking, and this was the most recent, least biased source I could come up with. Feel free to find a more recent (than Jan 2002) article from an equally repudiable source to prove me wrong.

  11. Straight from my Constitutional Development notes: by lpret · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm in a great class called Constitutional Development, and I'm just going to insert some notes on the issue:

    Noting that the Equal Protection clause guarantees individuals that their ballots cannot be devalued by "later arbitrary and disparate treatment," the per curiam opinion held 7-2 that the Florida Supreme Court's scheme for recounting ballots was unconstitutional.

    The precedent of Baker v. Carr allowed the Supreme Court to frame this case as a LEGAL question (rather than a political question) because they were able to argue that citizens of Florida were having their INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS violated and therefore, the Court argued that this made this case a LEGAL question.

    Even if the recount was fair in theory, it was unfair in practice. The record suggested that different standards were applied from ballot to ballot, precinct to precinct, and county to county.

    Because of those and other procedural difficulties, the court held that no constitutional recount could be fashioned in the time remaining (which was short because the Florida legislature wanted to take advantage of the "safe harbor" provided by 3 USC Section 5).

    The per curiam opinion limited its holding to this present case only.

    It was how they were to be recounted that was being questioned by the Supreme Court. So do a little homework first, and I'll finish studying for my test...

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  12. Common Sense. by Erris · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Al Gore never claimed he invented the internet, and anyone who jokes about it is just showing their ignorance. (sorry timothy)

    Let's examine dates, shall we? Ask the tree himself what he did. Well, it's a little dishonest, Gore dropped out of law school, but the dates are hard to refute.

    When the internet was "invented" in 1969, Al Gore was acting as a combat reporter in Vietnam. Comendable enough, but the Senator's son had it much better than most. We can imagine his grasp of computing was about as broad as his expressed interst in such things at the time and for years to come, ZERO.

    In the next five years he failed as a farmer, priest and lawyer. No biggie, lots of nice people fail at many things and the effort is commendable if not exceptional. Yet, where is the interest in computing while Unix is being created?

    In 1976, Gore started his long and unbroken career as a politician. According to this empasioned defense Al Gore made his first concrete contribution to what we know of as the internet with, "High Performance Computing and Communications Act in 1991." Not bad, he beat Bill Gates to caring, but it's hardly the kind of stuff you could call "instrumental".

    Clearly, however, he suffered from his associations with one of the most agresivly dishonest administrations in US history. We can give credit to Al Gore for the 1996 Telecomunications Act, which failed, and the DMCA. It's a mixed record by someone who's writing proves a deep ignorance of many important technical matter. It's right to distinguish between people who understand technical details and those who pretend to know. It would be one thing if he stood on his record honestly. His agradizing and pretenses were blatant enough for people who wanted him elected to notice. The New York Times, the Washington Post and other paper called him on this.

    I can only imagine that Apple thinks Gore has some influence to wield in shcool and government computer purchases. It's inconcievable they hired him for technical reasons.

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    1. Re:Common Sense. by sfwriter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ignoring your sarcastic temporal hair splitting around the word "invent" which Gore never said, I'll move on to:

      "In 1976, Gore started his long and unbroken career as a politician. According to this empasioned defense [politechbot.com] Al Gore made his first concrete contribution to what we know of as the internet with, "High Performance Computing and Communications Act in 1991." Not bad, he beat Bill Gates to caring, but it's hardly the kind of stuff you could call "instrumental". "

      Not Instrumental? That act provided much of the foundation for the Internet you use today. Hell, the provision for exposing more undergraduate students to the Internet probably did more to popularize the Internet than you can measure.

      The HPCC represented the culmination of years of lobbying, explaining, and educating on Gore's part, but in addition to this, he helped privatize the Internet paving the way for pretty much everything the public would recognize. He was also an outspoken champion of technology in general, which is the point he was making.

      I've met him several times, and he is by far the smartest politician I have EVER met. He could clean Newt Gingrich's clock with one frontal lobe tied behind his back.

      I guess the most relevant meeting I ever had with him was in Nashville around 1995. I was part of an Internet startup, an ISP, and got to shake hands with him. He was there as a speaker and essentially a technology cheerleader. I thanked him for helping make our little company a reality.

      This was years before the "invented the Internet" nonsense. Even then I credited him with being a visionary about it. He didn't see it as an academic problem, or a network between research institutions, or a defense project, or even a place to find 800 kinds of porn. He saw it as a tools for transforming society.

      Read his 2000 Red Herring interview and prepare to be stunned.

      -Sandy