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Building A Better Inbox (Updated)

vudujava writes "c|net is reporting that a new free (Update: not free, actually, read more for details.), web based email service is opening it's doors today. They promise to deliver "100% spam free" email to their users by using a challenge-response system to all incoming, first-time mail. Catch the entire story here. Although the idea isn't new, it shows that we are notching up the "war on spam"." Alert reader George Hotelling points out this post on Politech which may give you pause when it comes to the new mail service's Terms of Service. And kraksmoka writes "As reported on this article on MSNBC : 'Hotmail subscribers are now limited to sending only 100 messages a day "in an effort to prevent spammers from using Hotmail to spread spam," said Lisa Gurry, MSN lead product manager.'" dlanod writes "In your snippet on the main page you report mailblocks.com as "a new free, web based email service". Looking at Mailblocks' site, it actually costs $9.95/year for the standard service, or $24.95/year for the expanded service with no free option listed (https://app1.mailblocks.com/register.htm)."

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  1. Definitely not new by jbellis · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've contributed code to TMDA, a python implementation of this idea that's been around for over two years. The earliest I know of though is a C implentation called mapson. It was abandonware for a while, but it's apparently been resurrected on sourceforge. I _think_ the original version dates from the '90s.

    BTW, mailblocks.com isn't free; it's $10/yr. However, that's still only half what fastmail.fm charges annually for their spam filtering service (with SpamAssasin).

  2. Not Free! by MiTEG · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mailblocks is not free! They charge either $9.95 or $24.95 a year depending on the file size limitation you choose.

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  3. Yahoo by SpamJunkie · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've been using yahoo mail for a while now and it is virtually spam free. The built in filter is great. Occasionally one makes it into my inbox, we're talking one every two or three days, otherwise they pile up in my bulk mail folder.

    It's so good I paid for a year of mail plus. I didn't even do that for .Mac and I'm a os x geek.

  4. Stupid by transient · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Um, so let me get this straight. They challenge all incoming mail except for the spam they've been paid to let through? And this is an "inseparable" part of the service?

    Next, please...

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  5. Yeah, this system was invented by SolidBlue by Ace905 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It really pains me to see the amount of competition *and* press coverage our competitors are getting.

    We invented this system for authenticating email, and we've had a product on the market for 2 years now making use of it.

    We have the most affordable service available still. It's one thing for competitors to realize our idea is the solution - it's another thing for the media to ignore the origins of the system completely.

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  6. These services won't work for many of us. by matt[0] · · Score: 5, Informative

    I own a small business and much of my client correspondance is via email. That means, I have to run my own IMAP server and I have 200 mb of mail on the server.

    Someone would do well to offer this service with your own domain (if you change your MX record), IMAP and reasonable charge for each 50mb increment of disk space. This is yet another web mail service, only this one is hosted off of a MSFT server and it implements intrusive spam blocking. SPAM Assasin works very nicely, I've found.

    *yawn*

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  7. This seems... by Shant3030 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Like a very annoying email service. Doesnt this kill speed advantages of email? I would hate to send an email out, and have to go through more red tape so the recipeint can receive their email. The sender would be doing all the work to help solve the recipients spam problem.

    What about the mass emails I like to receive, such as newsletters?

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  8. It'll block too much by lazyl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Before allowing e-mails through to your in-box, Mailblocks automatically transmits a numerical password to first-time correspondents. The senders must then retype the code into an onscreen dialog box before the system acknowledges them as legitimate.

    This will block a lot of legitimate mail. You won't be able to subscribe to mailing lists. You can't recieve those "account authorization/activation emails" that lots of sites use. E-cards won't work. You won't be able to to get daily comics. Bascailly, any system where the mail is sent by an automated system won't work. There are probably others I can't think of.

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  9. SA still works by ajs · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've been using SpamAssassin for about a year now. It started out good, and got better. Now it's actually a little frightening how good it is.

    If you want to try it out, you will (most likely) need your own machine handling mail (if you're a broadband or DSL user, this is easy enough, I'll assume you've made that step...)

    Now, make sure Perl is installed.

    Now, as root, type "perl -MCPAN -e shell" and follow the instructions to set up Perl's configuration system.

    In that shell, type "install Mail::SpamAssassin".

    Exit that shell and type "/etc/init.d/spamassassin start"

    You will want to do what your OS prefers for making sure this starts at boot time, under Red Hat Linux, that's "/sbin/chkconfig --levels 35 spamassassin on"

    Exit your root shell, and do the rest as your user account.

    Assuming you use sendmail with procmail (see the SpamAssassin site for other MTA configuration steps), put:
    :0fw
    | spamc -f
    into your .procmailrc.

    SpamAssassin is now doing its job. It just marks messages that it thinks are spam. See the example procmailrc on spamassassin.org for more information on how you can move the mail to another folder, delete it, or even more complex things. Also, there's a procmail bug that the example config can help you work around.

    If you're doing this on a busy site, I recommend adding "-m 20" or so to your spamd command-line to throttle periods of intense mail delivery.

    You can also configure SpamAssassin to do lots of useful stuff just the way you like it. There's a FAQ on your site that will walk you through it, but after the first time spamd handles mail for you, it will create a ".spamassassin/user_prefs" file that has good comments in it that guide you through common configuration needs (like whitelisting users).

    1. Re:SA still works by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny
      If you want to try it out, you will (most likely) need your own machine handling mail (if you're a broadband or DSL user, this is easy enough, I'll assume you've made that step...)

      Now, make sure Perl is installed.

      Now, as root, type "perl -MCPAN -e shell" and follow the instructions to set up Perl's configuration system.

      In that shell, type "install Mail::SpamAssassin".

      Exit that shell and type "/etc/init.d/spamassassin start"

      You will want to do what your OS prefers for making sure this starts at boot time, under Red Hat Linux, that's "/sbin/chkconfig --levels 35 spamassassin on"

      Exit your root shell, and do the rest as your user account.

      Assuming you use sendmail with procmail (see the SpamAssassin site for other MTA configuration steps), put: :0fw
      | spamc -f
      into your .procmailrc.

      SpamAssassin is now doing its job. It just marks messages that it thinks are spam. See the example procmailrc [spamassassin.org] on spamassassin.org for more information on how you can move the mail to another folder, delete it, or even more complex things. Also, there's a procmail bug that the example config can help you work around.

      If you're doing this on a busy site, I recommend adding "-m 20" or so to your spamd command-line to throttle periods of intense mail delivery.

      You can also configure SpamAssassin to do lots of useful stuff just the way you like it. There's a FAQ on your site that will walk you through it, but after the first time spamd handles mail for you, it will create a ".spamassassin/user_prefs" file that has good comments in it that guide you through common configuration needs (like whitelisting users).


      Is that all!?

      I'll forward this to my grandma toute-suite.
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