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AI in Sci-Fi

An anonymous submitter writes: "Stumbled upon a pretty interesting article considering the idea, 'What would machines do if they did achieve sentience?' It's by a sci-fi author I haven't heard of but worked with Kubrick on AI, he takes the whole AI or sentient machine idea a little further than we normally see in film."

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  1. Please follow typographical rules... by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Informative

    write A.I. and not Al as in Al-qaeda or Al Capone!

  2. Spoiler alert by Beyond+Redemption · · Score: 2, Informative

    You might want to note in the text on the main page that the article gives away the endings of a few good books, some I have not read. How disappointing. The author of the article didn't even give a spoiler alert either. SHAME ON HIM!

  3. Singularity by arvindn · · Score: 4, Informative
    The thesis of the singularity is that this question can not be answered.

    The idea goes as follows: If a self-aware "real AI" ever existed, one capable of self-understanding and self-modification (called the seed AI), it would be in a much better position to create AI than its original creators. So would begin a chain of self-refinement and the creation of progressively smarter intelligences with decreasing time gaps between stages. Eventually a point is reached, called the singularity: nothing about the future past the singularity can be predicted by humans who live in the pre-singularity world. A common interpretation is that the chain of AIs would become more intelligent without bound, leading to a verticality.

    The singulaity was first popularized by Vernor Vinge.

    I've been doing a lot of reading on the singularity lately, and I've become more and more convinced that it is certain to happen.

    More singularity links:
    The singularity institute - A nonprofit working to hasten the singularity
    Extensive writings by Eliezer Yudkowsky.
    I've myself written a bit on singularity and AI related topics.

  4. Re:Answer is obvious by 56ker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, not everyone knows what an actuary does. An actuary is a statistician who computes insurance risks and premiums (usually they advise management on other issues too - for instance how an increasing life expectancy will affect how much the company pays out in pensions). It wouldn't be very difficult to write a computer program to answer an actuarial exam correctly as maths is the one thing computers are very good at. However you would end up with the computer getting 100% in a nanosecond - then twiddling its thumbs for the next two hours - waiting for the humans to catch up with it. ;o)

  5. Buddha by KDan · · Score: 4, Informative

    unless you're a Buddha seeking to negate the self

    It's a common misconception that Buddhism is just about "negating the self". In fact, the purpose of it is precisely to be able to do what you want better. A buddhist also has a self and has desires, needs, etc, just like any other human being. The difference is just that he's aware that those are desires and needs and he has more control over them. He also has the discipline to listen to his intuition to decide whether a particular desire is worth pursuing or not. But he's not some empty zombie that doesn't desire anything.

    Daniel

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    1. Re:Buddha by joelhayhurst · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is my understanding that the Buddhist seeks nirvana (sanskrit: blowing out, as of a candle) so they may no longer have to reincarnate as there will be nothing left to reincarnate. It is believed that emotional ties lead to dukkha (pain), and that is the constant of life, for life is defined by your emotional ties. They are your self.

      Thus, by disassocation of all things, one can remove the ties and alleviate the pain, and in doing so cease to exist.

      Buddhism has been redefined to be more approachable over time, but the original premise is that life is painful, so we must escape life.

  6. Lem, Keyes, Wolfram and a Few Thoughts by jck2000 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Several authors/books related to this subject that might be of interest are:

    1. Stanislaw Lem's "Golem XIV" (it appeared as part of the "Imaginary Magnitude" collection (which also contains other stories about machine intelligence, for instance about machine literature), as well as apparently as a separate book). It is a story told as a series of lectures by a superintelligent computer (the Golem of the title). While some of it is pretty hokey (and some of it pretty funny), it contains some interesting speculations as to what superintelligence could consist of and how the physical and evolutionary contraints on human intelligence may make machine intelligence (which would presumably not be similarly encumbered) very different.

    2. Daniel Keyes' "Flowers for Algernon". It is a story of a mentally retarded man who is given surgery that not only corrects his retardation, but makes him superintelligent. The story is told from a first-person perspective, so the level of the narration reflects his changing intellect. It has been 10+ years since I read it -- I would be interested in seeing how his superintelligent-phase writing held up.

    3. Stephen Wolfram's "A New Kind of Science". Last year's geek-must-read book about how the entire universe is a cellular automatum (of course, I am compressing). It speculates -- and I am sure that I am getting this wrong (experts, please correct me) -- that the level of complexity of relatively simple CA rule sets is the maximum possible level of complexity, which would seem to have implications for limits on superintelligence.

    A few additional thoughts:

    4. One of the themes that seems to come up in SciFi treatments of AI is that a AI would have amazing predictive powers. I would think, however, that principles from chaos theory, the uncertainty principle, etc. would place real limits on that area of intelligence for most real world purposes.

    5. I would be interested in hearing how cognitive psychologists and computer scientists even define intelligence, particularly at the high end of the (human) scale.

  7. Re:You mean what would they do if they were sapien by blair1q · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. Common sci-fi misunderstanding.

    Sentience is the ability to sense. Some plants are sentient. Sapience is the ability to reason. Most mammals have limited sapience.

    Self-awareness is a specialized skill in the scale of sapience.

    Defining self-awareness is a circular and fuzzy propostion. My CPU knows how warm it is and can change its operating speed to protect itself, but does it really know? Converseley, many humans don't have any understanding of how they behaving.

    This makes it good for skiffy writers. They don't have to worry that someone will call them on their central conceit. It's ineffable.

  8. Re:You mean what would they do if they were sapien by KDan · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to dictionary.com, you are partially right. The first definition is actually The quality or state of being sentient; consciousness, which supports my definition, but the second is Feeling as distinguished from perception or thought (which supports your definition).

    But being partially right makes you wrong on the idea that the first definition of sentience is a "sci-fi misunderstanding". It's the primary dictionary definition of "sentience", so it's certainly not a misunderstanding.

    Daniel

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  9. Eat your quibble Re:A quibble with the article by mrmeval · · Score: 2, Informative

    Category: Science Fiction
    Hugo Award Winner

    Description: Probably Ellison's most well-known story. The tyrannical computer AM has taken over the world and now a few humans trapped inside it fight for survival. (Note: Palm versions of this story contain a character representation of a punch card graphic that the original story was published with. To view the original graphic see any of the other formats. The punch card graphic and the Palm character representation of it were approved by Mr. Ellison, and he tells us that both contain a message that few people have ever decoded.)

    First Published: 1967

    Publisher: Fictionwise.com

    Linux users can decode the card.

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  10. Singularity - Rapture for Nerds by meehawl · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've been doing a lot of reading on the singularity lately, and I've become more and more convinced that it is certain to happen.
    Ken MacLeod, another UK SF writer, believes that the Singularity is nothing more or less than a cult-like "Rapture For Nerds" . Which accounts for its unusual popularity, I guess, in the United States - compared to Europe the rate of churchgoing and belief in supernatural powers is *much* higher.

    Personally, the best book I've read recently on the subject of AI Shamanism is Theodore Roszak's The Cult of Information: A Neo-Luddite Treatise on High Tech, Artificial Intelligence, and the True Art of Thinking . This book is especially valuable because the first edition was written in the mid-80s, and traces the origin of the AI Cult back to the 1940s.

    The AI Cult waxes and wanes in step with technological fads. We are just past the peak of the most recent cycle and for many people, the "history" of the Singularity only goes back to the late-80s/early-90s or so. Roszak traces it back to preposterous statements in the 1940s-1950s, the 1960s-1970s, and he saw the beginning of the current cycle in the 1990s.

    Really, there's no more ehalthy way to disabuse yourself of a belief in supernatural computers than to read vintage Minsky and other, forgotten prognosticators confidently predicting runaway hyper-intelligent computers by the 1980s, or the 1990s at most!
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