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Japanese Makers To Forge An Internet TV Standard

An anonymous reader writes "Five Japanese TV manufacturers will form a working group to hammer out technical specifications by October for digital TVs with Internet access. They will develop a consumer electronics version of Linux to provide functions and performance required for digital products. The resulting source code will be made available through the General Public License procedure."

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  1. GPL procedure? by ryanr · · Score: 4, Funny

    The resulting source code will be made available through the General Public License procedure

    What procedure is that? The one where someone swipes some GPL code, tries to pass it off as proprietary, and has to be badgered and humiliated until they release the source or pull the product?

    1. Re:GPL procedure? by Duncan3 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No no, the one where hardware companies release the code because they make 100% of their money selling hardware...

      Like when software companies give away their software because they... oh wait...

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    2. Re:GPL procedure? by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's a great use of GPL.

      Yes it is. The GPL can only succeed where there is the opportunity for companies to make profits. This is how they pay those "programmers" who develop the code, that "only" works on their hardware, even tho it is now GPL now, and anyone can use it.

      I understand that lots of people have a knee jerk reaction to a company making money using GPL to make money, but uh, that is the idea: make money selling the hardware and servicing the software. If you can't use GPL to make money, no one will want to use it. Really.

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  2. Wow . . . by Selanit · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, they're going to forge this standard? Isn't there some kind of law against that? ;-)

  3. Could be a good thing... by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Finally, you'd have an OS/interface that would be the same for most TV's worldwide, and wouldn't need loads of effort and reprogramming to localize for different markets. And that's not mentioning the possiblity of a widely available set-top that could conceivably run a very decent browser (mozilla/phoenix). Maybe it's not what we geeky Americans drool over, but the business/marketing sense in it is obvious.

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    1. Re:Could be a good thing... by malarkey · · Score: 3, Informative
      Opera already has a linux-based ITV setup. You can even download an evaluation kit.

      To build Opera 6 for iTV you need a development platform with the following characteristics:
      One of the CPUs: x86, PPC 405, StrongArm or MIPS
      Linux kernel version 2.4.x
      Tool chain: gcc 3.2 and glibc 2.2.5
      QT 2.3.2 (Trolltech's QT embedded or QT on X11) dynamically linked and multithreaded
      On the target hardware at least 4 MB of Flash and 8 MB RAM available to Opera

  4. TV on ADSL powered by Linux by borgdows · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In France, we have a important internet provider (free.fr) which released in December a settop-box running Linux providing 2mbs internet access , digital TV and 2 phone lines for 30/mo.

    pictures and technicals details (in french) on http://free.box.free.fr/ (it's an unofficial site)

  5. Internet TV streams, eh? by Chromal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a pretty cool idea, especially if it means I can set up real time television streaming a la shoutcast. We've got a ways to go on bandwidth is most places to make this ubiquitous, though. It'd suck if it just turned into an alternate closed delivery scheme for digital cable.

    $ cat Farscape_4x22.mpg | vidcast -v -dtv dig_tv &

    Woo.

  6. FIVE DIFFERENT COMPANIES. (yay) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This could never have happened in Capitalist America (troll, yeah, I know), where companies are too retarded to realize that you need to cooperate with others if you want to make *standards*.

  7. next step by VanillaCoke420 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next step is to gather a bunch of corporations to form new standards for TV shows, in order to improve the shows too.

  8. Internet TV will be easy for Japanese by Talez · · Score: 5, Interesting

    8mbps ADSL connections over in Japan are extremely common with 12mbps starting to be introduced.

    Hell, you can get free 64K ISDN through one of the many ISDN ISPs over there.

    They have the infrastructure to support it. If you were using multicast or something like that, Internet TV could be very usable even at high bitrates.

    1. Re:Internet TV will be easy for Japanese by raian · · Score: 5, Informative

      8mbps ADSL connections over in Japan are extremely common with 12mbps starting to be introduced.

      Actually, most ADSL customers here have already gotten their free upgrade to 12mbps. And now a lot of people are moving to fiber: 100mbps for about US$30 a month. Note that fiber to the home is available even in rural areas like Fukui prefecture, so claims that this is due solely to higher population density are simply false--the incredible disparity is mostly the result of poor US legislation.

  9. Bill Must be Flinching by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remembers Bill gates "Vision" of a pc in every home running his software.. Visions of Windows enabled electronics Spread through the huse as well.. It sure seems that MS is not working the way he invisioned the future.. Linux is breaking more ground and seems to be the "OS" that will be powering all the electronics in the home.

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  10. Internet+TV just makes sense by FuryG3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    afaik, Standard digital cable is a mpeg stream anyway. It'd be real nice if TV's and cable boxes all have some sort of standard, and this may open up the way for decent streaming TV or VoD streams.

    Right now, companies like AT&T are using the same cable to bring you CableTV, Broadband internet access, and Phone service (trying to break back into the local telco market). It's the same copper infrastructure, but the technology for all of these services on both sides on the wire are all different.

    If a standard like this really catches on, and VOIP takes hold, we may see providers like AT&T doing it all over IP, which could really help everyone out, as well as push broadband speeds up a notch.

  11. In related news... by ChicagoFan · · Score: 5, Funny

    The United States government has announced in a press conference that this action is considered a terrorist act toward Microsoft. "Our allies would use Microsoft software for this task", said George W. Bush. "They are not with us, so they must be against us." Bombing of Japan begins tomorrow.

  12. This is how VHS got started by MagikSlinger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To get around Sony's patents on Beta, JVC with a few other companies created the VHS standard and made it free to everyone to implement. This is a potential nightmare scenario for Microsoft if the companies quickly reach an agreement and stick to it.

    The only threats to this commoditization are the companies involved falling out with each other and Microsoft quickly poisoning the market for this commodity TV/Internet box. I wonder if Microsoft can handle this many threats to its business model (the Office monopoly cracking, the licensing schemes being rejected by its customers, etc.) at the same time?

    The other home entertainment companies don't have much to worry about because they make their money from hardware, so they can just adopt this if it ever comes together. The other group to crap its collective pants is the cable industry. They fear the PVR already, and this gives the Baby Bells an easy road in for pay-per-view and other previously cable-only franchises.

    If these Japanese companies can get it to market and adopted in Japan, this could be the beginning of something interesting.

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  13. Japanese Newspaper mentioned TRON too. by zzztkf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have seen the article in Japanese Newspaper reporting same announcement like, http://www.asahi.com/money/topics/TKY200303290203. html(sorry Japanese only).

    Linux is on topic, but in the same time TRON-OS is also mentioned as a candidate of standard. There is another article that API of TRON OS could be merged into Monta Vista's Linux.

  14. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Uh, no. What they're proposing is a standard to build TVs that can accept video streams off the Internet. The potential here is huge. Don't like the crap that passes for news on CNN? Start your own news channel and stream it over the Net. Suddenly, you don't have to worry about getting a channel position on cable or satellite. Anyone with a fat enough pipe into their home could get it on their TV.