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From Turkey Guts to Fuel Oil
Untimely Ripp'd writes "The latest issue of Discover Magazine reports that any day now a plant will go online in Carthage, Missouri that processes turkey guts into high grade oil, natural gas, some minerals, and water. Unfortunately, the Discover article isn't online yet, but here's a newspaper article. The system, developed by Changing World Technologies uses thermal depolymerization and apparently works on almost any and every kind of organic waste. They assert that applying it to 100% of the US' agricultural waste would produce about 4 billion barrels of oil per year -- about the amount we currently import.
It sounds too good to be true, it sounds like one of those fly-by-night-in-the-face-of-the-second-law deals, but it isn't happening in somebody's basement -- it's happening in a multi-million dollar facility developed with Con-Agra."
This is really just fossil fuels for the extremely impatient.
If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
I was expecting that evil 'bit' story...
Something like this could really help reduce our dependence on foreign oil. I betcha the oil industry is going to try to discredit this breakthrough in energy technology.
Send lawyers, guns, and money. Dad, get me out of this.
petro products stunk... I bet this smells much more foul... ;)
I'm so paranoid, I can't tell if this is another April Fools or not!
Why bother with a plant for this? I can already turn chili into ah, "natural gas". :-)
The date on the article was Dec. 4, 2002, so I think this one is legit.
So does it mean we'll have to invade Kentucky next?
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My guess is that the Slashdot eds thought it _was_ an April Fool's joke or they wouldn't have posted it today. If they repost it a second time within the next two hours though, we'll know it must be true.
Hemp for fuel
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This is just a plan to let President Bush take care of all those PETA wackos. You see, by making oil from turkeys, he'll surely upset any self-righteous PETA member. They'll boycott the new oil and continue to use oil from the middle East, and consequently they'll be supporting terrorism. Thankfully, the Patriot Act will allow the government to lock up these proponents of terrorism for an indefinite amount of time at an undisclosed location.
Now finally, we may all eat meat without fearing harrassment.
This wouldn't happen to be an expansion of the "Little Lisa Slurry Factory" would it?
Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws-Plato
Great, now every highway will smell like KFC.
that's "fowl."
The article also talked about no increases in carbon in the environment because oil isn't pulled up from underground, it's created from biological waste (carbon already in the environment). I believe there was a quote in there along the lines of "every living thing becomes a little carbon sink".
Warren Buffett is an investor (via ConAgra) and the field tests should be done by 2005.
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(2) ?
(3) Oil!
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why has it taken so long to get here?!
We call this a tradition, this is in the Slashdot culture...
You are new here, aren't you?
I'd rather be sailing...
No, just instead of raiding their oil supply we'll steal all their fowl.
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Because it just now made it into Discover. I assume that prompted the submitter to seek out another article somewhere discussing the same thing.
A friend reported this story to me in detail 2 or 3 days ago in great detail.
/. posted it today.
There are two plants either in operation now, or just starting up. One is right next to a Butterball Turkey factory.
The process breaks organic materials down thru some process of super-hydration, 500 degree heat, some moderate amount of pressure, and then results in various oils and water (clean enough to go into normal treatment plants).
Also, oil companies reportedly support this because the novel approach is actually easier and cleaner for processing crude oils than existing refineries. So they stand to gain from this as well.
There's a lot of good info on this, so don't discount it just because
I hope it's a huge success.
.sigs are for post^Hers.
At the web site of Changing World Technologies.
But [James Stoffer] added that while the plant may be a "tough go" economically, it's worth the investment because of what it promises for the environment.
If such companies actually paid fines for breaking environmental laws by polluting with livestock wastes, they would not find reprocessing a "tough go" economically. Unfortunately, the EPA doesn't have the balls to go after even the most blatant of violators, and thus the food-processors get away with murder.
When Con-Agra rolls out such zero-emissions factories everywhere (As William McDonough writes of in Cradle to Cradle) I will happily invest in their stock and buy their products.
Biological polymers--protein, complex carbs (glycogen, starches, cellulose, etc.), DNA, RNA. After you remove the water, most of it seems to be polymer.
"I'm so moist I'm sticking to the leather." -Kermit the Frog on The Late Late Show
... if you do the following google: "(waste OR trash) into oil"
you will find similar articles, mostly from the summer of 2001 ?!!?. (Google cached story from Kansas City Tribune)
Either the people involved are doing a series of pilot plants in scaling this up, or somebody's dragging their feet. Or maybe it's just a case parallel developments utilizing similar technology -- but it sure sounds like the same thing.
The prospect of $14/barrel high-quality oil (the cost quoted in Discover) while providing an environmental service should have the capitalists breaking down the doors. It seems like they're taking a leisurely route to large-scale exploitation -- what's going on here?
Shouldn't we have oil companies partnering with ConAgra and building refineries adjacent to slaughterhouses? Or at least set up a pipeline to a refinery?
Will we have to start selling "vegan-friendly" fuel now?
Some men spend their entire lives trying to kill themselves for having been born. --Ross MacDonald
I'm just waiting for them to turn a cup of crude oil into high-quality turkey meat. mmmm.... turkey!
Yeah, but this one is only 4 months old. (Dec. 4, 2002)
Nit-pickers aren't welcome on slashdot...
If we wanted to be corrected all the time, we'd surround ourselves with bored know it all geeks -
Oh.
Um. Back to the drawing board.
Just because I doubt myself does not mean I find your position compelling.
Auto fuel.. is... PEOPLE!!
k.. maybe it was funnier in my head..
Feel the fear and do it anyway.
There are a lot of biomass reduction techniques going on to produce combustible fuels. As the article states they all run into the same problem - economics. Nature did all the heavy work on crude oil for us - so naturally from the perspective of in the ground to a watt or a mile or whatever, the price of oil is hard to beat, particularly given its enormous infrastructure advantage. Even if you're using "free" feedstocks (i.e. wastes) the processing cost can be a killer.
So, for these fuels to make any impact, they generally need to be subsidized somehow. The article makes it clear that the economics of this fuel source are far from proven.
There are little startups like this all over the place. So far none of the techniques developed have made a serious impact on our use of oil. Without real public and government support for changing our energy base, this one probably won't either.
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I have to think that the amount of energy required to heat all that organic matter up to 500 degrees is not going to be insubstancial.
So just how energy efficient is this process?
Automobiles, upon filling the tank with turkey-petrol, tend not to be drivable and prefer to doze on the couch watching NFL football.
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This process isn't going to be free in terms of energy cost. At the very least they're heating a whole bunch of stuff up, pressurizing it, and then separating what's left. I'm curious... what's the energy cost of this method compared to the energy cost of the old way of refining oil?
Since Changing World Technology installed their "turkey" depolymerization pilot program, we're swimming in oil. The dramatic upturn in oil revenue, combined with the sudden, unexplained drop in the number of homeless people (and now pigeons) has left the city coffers flush with funds in an economic downturn. And let me tell you, Con-Agra's Soylent Gold runs with less pinging than any of those premium over-priced gasolines.
http://www.joplinglobe.com/archives/2001/010724/bu siness/story2.html\
Here is an article discussing the ground-breaking of the TDP plant next to the Butterball factory in 2001.
If it is an April Fool's hoax, they went through a LOT of trouble to do it well.
Their process is 85% efficient. 100 BTU's of biomass input takes 15 BTU's to process.
I question this, too... if it's purified water, why can't it be sold? Is there some kind of federal or state regulation/legislation that prevents it?
;) or SOMETHING?)
Couldn't they use the water for drought? (Maybe there's not enough?) Couldn't they use it in products that require water but aren't for consumption (i.e. cleaners, ice packs, swimming pools
Maybe it's just not worth the effort to haul it around...
"Sometimes the truth is stupid." - Lawrence, creator of Prime Intellect
Ummmmmm..... nope.
Discover magazine has been known to pull a couple of good ones come 4/1, but this is not one of them. First of all, this is in the MAY issue of the magazine (magazines usually publish a month early, remember).
I read this story three or four days ago when the issue appeared in my snail-mail folder.
This issue may not be on newsstands yet, but if you know somebody who has a subscription, then they probably already have it.
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Lock them up you say?
Wouldn't it be more efficient to use them to fuel your SUV?
Amoco/BP Green: It's People!
(that's funny on multiple levels...think environmentalists, vegetarians, "BP" stands for British People, Soylent Green...pure comedy gold!)
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I hate this day. Slashdot it really difficult to use. Anyways, here are some links to simular articles which makes me think that this is true:
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/ re gional/story1.html
s te wardship/alternative072102.html
http://www.joplinglobe.com/archives/2002/020806
http://www.joplinglobe.com/archives/2001/010729
http://www.springfieldnews-leader.com/projects/
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There are some substantial differences (good and bad) relating to this method.
1) Using biomass means that all carbon embodied in the fuel is from CO2 relatively recently removed from the atmosphere. Petrolium products when burned dump carbon into the carbon cycle (CO2->Plant Biomass -> many possible steps (optional) -> decomposition -> CO2. This is good because biomass fuels don't increase CO2 levels in our atmosphere as fossil fuels do.
2) On the negative side, there is a lot of fuel involved in raising, the turkeys (equipment relating to feed, transport of feed, raising the turkeys, transporting them, slaughtering them, transporting the guts to the factory, etc).
My suspician is that we will see it use less fuel than transporting the guts of the turkey to the factory, processing them, etc. and since these parts are currently unused, it will ge a good thing. However, I suspect that we will not see a net fuel gain from this process (more fuel will go into raising/transporting feed, etc. than you will get out of the turkey) and so it can only subsidize the fuel cost of raising a turkey, not completely even mitigate that.
That being said, I am all for it. I think that if we looked at methane digesters for manure of all marge animal farms, this sort of project, etc. it would reduce our petrolium consumption and allow us to leave a smaller ecological footprint.
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This synthetic hydrocarbon fuel is different from biodiesel by two major things: no engine adjustments necessary to run on this fuel
No adjustments are required to run Biodiesel in any diesel engine made in the last decade or so. The problem is that Biodiesel can eat through some old types of rubber used in seals and fuel lines. Modern diesel engines do not use these types of rubber. Older engines could be retrofitted just by changing out old rubber lines, maybe needed anyway if the car is old enough! The only other thing is that biodiesel will dissolve engine deposits, since American diesel no. 2 is dirty, there can be a lot of deposits. If you have driven a while on regular diesel, biodiesel can lossen deposits, which can then clog fuel filters. Diesels have to replace the fuel filter pretty regularly - so it shouldn't be much of an issue.
Check out Biodiesel.org or BioDieselNow.com for more info.
Lots of Volkswagen TDI owners use Biodiesel.
To remain on topic - there is a plant near Salt Lake City, Utah that is doing something similar to this. Smithfield Foods Inc. will be making BioMethanol from pork waste.
Given that the technology already exists for coverting diesel engines to run on veggie oil,
You don't even need to convert the engine. Used cooking oil (animal or vegetable) treated with a little glycerine works cleanly in an unmodified diesel car.
News item here