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BSA IDC FUD

truthsearch writes "News.com.com is reporting that a 'study, commissioned by the BSA and conducted by IDC, found that in general, nations with the lowest piracy rates had the largest IT sectors. The study, which examined 57 countries, predicted that a 10-point reduction in the rate of piracy over four years could generate 1.5 million jobs and $64 billion taxes worldwide.' The BSA, er... Microsoft, will use this study to convince governments to crack down on piracy. 'Overall, the countries that have the poorest record of IP rights have slower rates of IT growth,' BSA CEO Robert Holleyman said. Oh, and the countries with the most oppression have had the slowest IT growth, but that can't be the cause, nah."

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  1. Note to BSA: go fuck yourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know someone that was audited by the BSA and decided to fight it.
    Basically they countered by stating they wanted full disclosure of
    who reported them so as to determine the validity of the claim prior
    to wasting internal resources and dollars. They also argued that
    the reporting tools are a violation of privacy. Yes, they expected
    them to place some software on their network which scans their
    entire network not to mention each machine's registry. Third, they
    also argued that even if they were in violation of license, the
    license is between them and the vendor (after all, the license does
    not allow for the BSA as having legal proxy interests) and unless
    the vendor in questions decides that they'd like to personally
    persue the issue, the BSA does not have legal authority or the
    legal grounds to persue the action. Furthermore, they argued that
    even if something odd was discovered and they lost, only the
    government has the right to impose fines on legal matters as such
    and they would be within their legal rights to simply purchase
    any outstanding licenses or settle directly with the vendor in
    question and completely dismiss the BSA altogether thereby
    eliminating the need to pay any fines or added fees.

    1. Re:Note to BSA: go fuck yourselves by swb · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've always thought that the BSA raid stories were BS. There's too much fear, not enough reality.

      IANAL, but...

      1) BSA can't just demand to search your business. You can tell them no, they have no legal power.

      2) They can go to court and get access, but this is a complex process frought with a lot of potential closed doors and not a small amount of cost and delay. Token cooperation may yield a judge that dismisses the BSA claims altogether, especially if you can argue that its just a strongarm tactic to increase revenue and not a legitimate enforcement tactic based upon a well-founded suspicion of intential copyright violation.

      3) The whole raid concept itself sounds kind of dubious -- there's loads of companies that it would take a huge team of people MONTHS to try to audit, and that's with real good cooperation. Geographic dispersion, security or other governmental/law enforcement obligations may seriously hamper it as well.

    2. Re:Note to BSA: go fuck yourselves by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 4, Funny
      Scans every machine, including the registry, does it? And what do you suppose, Mr. Sherlock, would happen if ALL the machines on the aforementioned network are running Linux and FreeBSD, with FREE software running on those systems as the only software that is used by the business? Then how in the fock will the stupid, focking BSA (BULL SHIT ALLIANCE) scan every machine's registry? I think that is a big crock of garbage. They can go fock themselves, those stupid focking BSA. If anybody from the stupid BSA is reading this and wants to come after me, my home address is:

      Blvd M. Avila Camacho #120,
      Col Lomas De Chapultepec,
      11652 Mexico, D.F.,
      Mexico

      COME AND GET ME!

  2. The study.. by AftanGustur · · Score: 4, Informative
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  3. "BSA IDC FUD" by YahoKa · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know you are a geek when you understand a headline of all these acronyms... :\

    1. Re:"BSA IDC FUD" by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "BSA IDC FUD"
      You know you are a geek when you understand a headline of all these acronyms... :\


      I get the gist of it. A U.S. security agency is investigating Elmer Fudd for opened a federally insured savings account.

  4. In a related study... by Sanity · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the BSA pointed out that countries with more relaxed Intellectual Property laws had higher child mortality rates. "The inference is clear", BSA CEO Robert Holleyman said, "Piracy kills babies".

  5. Easy... by jmv · · Score: 3, Funny

    So what's the easiest way to dramatically reduce piracy: use open-source software. So if everybody switches to open-source, it'll be good the the industry. So I suggest the BSA starts advocating OSS more. After all, that's good for the industry :)

    1. Re:Easy... by bmajik · · Score: 3, Interesting

      actually, you're dead on.

      Open source software _is_ good for the IT industry. Broken software that requires babysitting by elitist gurus is _exactly_ what IT workers want, so they can continue to justify their positions and their salaries.

      UNIX and Open source in general are _Great_ for the privileged few IT workers that use them effectively (or use them effectively enough to fool their employers).

      Until companies start doing the hard analysis of "gosh, even though i sell shoes, IT is 50% of my expenditures. Maybe i should go back to the old way and cut my costs, after all, any 5.75/hr secretary can file papers and write order tickets"

      Then IT industry will crash and the people that had cushy jobs because they were pseudo-wizards will get laid off, and companies will start using software that doesn't require wizards to run, and actually lets them focus on their business instead of their IT dept.

      Not that any UNIX/internet companies have had trouble or layoffs recently, or anything ;)

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    2. Re:Easy... by Pinball+Wizard · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Are you someone with the skills of a secretary with no experience with open source software?

      I challenge you to find anyone, hell find an MSCE, who doesn't have experience with Linux to install Apache, mod_perl, PHP, and mod_ssl in three hours.

      The point wasn't that an experienced Linux user could do these things. It was that an inexperienced secretary could not do these things. Firing your IT staff and expecting people in your company to be able to RTFM and do things like install the above list of software?(we won't even go as far as using it) I don't think so.

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    3. Re:Easy... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I challenge you to find anyone, hell find an MSCE, who doesn't have experience with Linux to install Apache, mod_perl, PHP, and mod_ssl in three hours.

      And I challenge you to find a fry cook who can install IIS and Exchange set up for 1000+ users, and patch it properly.

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  6. If thats the problem..... by curtisk · · Score: 3, Funny
    "When people are using software but they're using a pirated version, they're not paying the government the tax revenues it should be receiving," Holleyman said.

    Damn.....if thats a big issue with how piracy is wrong, I'm free and clear since I don't pay any sales tax anyway in the state I'm in (Delaware)......whew! my conscious is CLEARED!

    Time to buy another spindle of CDRs!

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  7. Correlation vs. Causality by nick+this · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another classic example of confusing correlation with causality. Just because there is a correlation between the two, doesn't mean that one *causes* the other. They could just as easily *both* be affected by a third variable (average income? average levels of education? percentage of computer-using businesses?)

    This is the kind of thing that gives statistics a bad name.

    Here's another correlation distortion. People in the mid 1800's had an average lifespan of what? 45 years? Today's average lifespan is like 70 or something. Now, choose your data sets that way, and compare life expectancy of those people who have personal computers, and those that didn't (those from the 1800's). You'll find a *strong* correlation between PC use and life expectancy.

    But it's clearly meaningless. The key factor here is obviously availability of health care. You can use this same trick to "prove" relationship between almost anything.

    This study is clearly junk.

    1. Re:Correlation vs. Causality by crackervoodoo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ok, let me give it a whirl. Ahem... Over the last 15 years the average income of women in the US has increased dramatically, narrowing the salary gap between genders. I've been having sex for approximately 15 years. I predict that if more women have sex with me, there will be equality in wages....Hey you're right! Time to write up a press release and shave...

  8. Classic statistical lying technique. by WasterDave · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...putting cause and effect the wrong way round. In other news:

    * People sneezing more likely to catch cold.
    * Companies with fewer security concerns more likely to use Linux.
    * People who buy Ferrari's are more likely to be rich.

    Dave

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  9. Oh that's great by ShatteredDream · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tell the greedy politicians that they get something out of doing their job, which is supposed to be enforcing the law. $64B in taxes? That's a **great** way to ensure that jack-booted thugs with M-16s, AK-47s, MP5s or Styr-Augs (depending on the PD) bust down as many doors as possible to make sure that $64B is protected. That's of course assuming that eliminating piracy won't damage or destroy other sectors of the economy. People, $64B is ~$24B more than we spend on the insane WoD. I know that will get spread over many countries, but that's still a damn big incentive even if it's only an extra $5B to the general fund.

    Imagine Palladium getting mandated to make this possible. No Macintosh anymore or similar platforms. Probably no WordPerfect either as it will cost Corel too much to get certified. Linux? Bye bye SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake, et al. It will be an industry dominated by a handful of giants. Our spineless, ignorant politicians have long ago forgotten that it is small and medium-sized business, not the giants, that run most of the economy. If those go under, unemployment will skyrocket, both parties will have egg on their faces and knowing America these days, we won't have a third party gaining power, we'll have 2 party weasles giving people heaping buckets full of Socialism.

  10. Huh? by Gogl · · Score: 3, Funny

    FYI, the BSA, AKA "guys we don't like", are spreading FUD using $$$ and buying out the IDC, an industry analyst that government organizations such as the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the DOD, the DOJ, TIPS, the WTO, and perhaps even more will all listen to and as such we will be forced to respond by supporting groups such as the ACLU and the EFF in the fight to maintain our civil rights while also hoping that we're not drafted the SSS and also that the SSA holds together so we can all retire someday.

    Or something.

  11. It's About Glue by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

    If piracy is high, their IT sector must be low

    If an IT sector is low it must be a developing country

    If it's a developing country then piracy will be high

    thus...

    If piracy is high, we impose trade sanctions

    If trade sanctions are imposed, a developing country's economy will suffer

    If people can't make enough money to buy software because their economy suffers they will not pirate software because they have learned their lesson.

    "Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  12. For your own good by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny
    Helping us to force your young, weak IT sector to pay ridiculous licensing fees to us will cause your IT sector to grow tenfold in a year.

    Also, tithing 10% of your monies to our ministry (the Church of BSA) will return your monies tenfold. The Lord Bill has said so. So let it be written, so let it be done.

  13. Funny Numbers by Ken@WearableTech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The organization estimates that 40 percent of all software programs worldwide are pirated"

    Is this?

    A: Of all the software installed 40% is Warez
    B: 40% of titles have been turned into Warez

    I think that they mean A but I only find B to be believable.

  14. The BSA study also determined... by raehl · · Score: 4, Funny

    That countries with high piracy rates were much more likely to be populated by people of color.

    "Without immediate action to stop the spread of piracy, American citizen's will soon find their skin turning darker and darker," said BSA Spokeman Bubba Nalk. "We can already see the effects of software piracy on college campuses, as file swapping continues to turn white students into asians and even black students, as evidenced by the increased enrollment of students of color."

    Mr. Nalk had no comment on whether software piracy also caused male college athletes to turn into women.

  15. Free Software Proposal by benja · · Score: 5, Funny
    In the light of these amazing and insightful numbers, I propose that governments all over the world take immediate measures to combat privacy and foster the development and distribution of Free Software. After all, Free Software attacks piracy at its root: Free Software cannot be pirated per definitionem!

    These numbers make it clear that countries investing in Free Software will have a clear competitive advantage when it comes to their IT sectors.

    :-)

  16. The BSA - bunch of thugs by Migraineman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I started my own business recently. Not two weeks after I submitted the paperwork for a state business license, I received a mailing from the BSA that encouraged me to volunteer for an audit "just to make sure I didn't expose myself to the liability of unlicensed or improperly licensed software."

    Uh huh. Riiiiiight. Seems that the state gub'ment sold a mailing list to these jackbooted thugs. You gimme any of that juris-my-diction crap, you can cram it up your ass.

  17. Wrong! by raehl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Piracy does very little to harm music, for the very simple reason that the people who make music (musicians) make money from PERFORMANCES, not selling recordings.

    The only people piracy hurts is record companies, and I don't know about you, but I don't really care about the growth of record companies.

  18. Scary Part by White+Roses · · Score: 4, Interesting
    To me, the scariest part is the fact that most people in any sort of infulential position (C*O, Congresscritter, etc.) are more likely to respond to the fact that this report is printed on expensive/glossy paper and so therefore it must be true.

    Worse yet is if the BSA presents it's findings over a complimentary lunch where they refuse to feed you until you've heard their propaganda, er, um, presentation.

    If only I could print my proposals to use non-MS products in the latest issue of Dumbass Boss Monthly (this month's feature: Shiny Things As Business Strategy), I'd have no trouble. Graphs, documentation and logic seem to hold no weight.

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  19. Re:Not what I'd have predicted. by binaryDigit · · Score: 4, Funny

    Think about it: countries like Sudan and Nigeria... who's gonna be pirating Windows XP when they don't have a computer to run it on?

    Of course they have computers in Nigeria. How else is John Bako sending out his 419 emails to everyone?

  20. Re: Quoth the Simpsons: by lysium · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Homer: "There's not a single bear in sight--the 'Bear Patrol' is working like a charm".
    Lisa: "That's specious reasoning."
    Homer: "Thanks, honey."
    Lisa: "According to your logic, this rock keeps tigers away".
    Homer: "Hmmm. How does it work?"
    Lisa: "It doesn't."
    Homer: "How so?"
    Lisa: "It's just a rock. But I don't see a tiger, anywhere."
    Homer: "Lisa,"
    *pulls out wallet* "I want to buy your rock."
    ----------

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    Together, we will drive the rats from the tundra.
  21. People with IT jobs see piracy as stealing by laymusic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >> in general, nations with the lowest piracy rates >> had the largest IT sectors

    I think for people who don't think of software as work that puts bread on the table, software piracy feels less like stealing than it does for people who have had jobs writing software that paid their bills and bought food.

    1. Re:People with IT jobs see piracy as stealing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why do people always bring up FOOD and EATING when it comes to copying software? If I didn't get paid writing software, I'd find another fucking job, long before I start hitting the ramen noodles.

      But I *do* get paid to write software. I get paid for my time to write custom software that isn't distributed. I couldn't give two shits about "piracy". Just pay me according to the signed contract. No pay, no work.

      Jebus, you'd think getting paid for each and every copy of something was some kind of God-given capitalistic right.

  22. Lies, Damn Lies, and Objectives by lildogie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > This is the kind of thing that gives statistics a bad name.

    I was discussing the value of using flaky numbers with a colleague the other day.

    I made the point that people who use flaky numbers convincingly tend to get their way more often than people who fuss over accuracy.

    So, whether you want to fuss over the quality of your numbers depends on your objective:
    1) do you want to understand what is really happening, (eg. a scientist) , or
    2) do you want to convince others to go along with you (eg. a politician).

    Value judgements aside, what you ought to do depends on your objective.

  23. Re:different reason [humor] by Grax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe "the countries that have the poorest record of IP rights" are the ones that can't afford to pay for the software and if they were stricter they would have no technology at all.

  24. Re:Exactly! by ATMAvatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The same applies to the music industry, book publishing, or any other intellecutal property enterprise. Keep that in mind next time you are firing up your P2P client and downloading the latest "free" software or music or whatever. Remember that your "free" software has a cost - rather than being measured in a few dollars out of your wallet, this cost is measured in people's jobs.

    The music/movie industry would have us believe that free distribution = end of profit.

    They would seem to disagree:

    "Publishers and authors: listen up! We know you may be concerned about all this book-sharing talk, and what it might do to your sales. You may be surprised to know that we have many, many publishers and authors that are big BookCrossing fans. They've seen the paradoxical value in encouraging the sharing of books. In fact, if one were to compare the number of people who buy books based on seeing book reviews here as the books change hands, to the number of people who actually find free books, we can assure you there are far more buyers than finders. This site is not about saving people money. Many of our members, in fact, have started purchasing two copies of every book they pick out, so they can keep one and release the other into the wild! Here's a good forum discussion re: authors, book sales, and bookcrossing that should alleviate any concerns about lost sales."

    He would seem to disagree as well.

    More here.

    True... none have anything to do with piracy, but it would appear that free does not necessitate loss.

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  25. Smoke and Mirrors by Jesus+IS+the+Devil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a very flawed statistic. It reminds me of this study done by the tobacco companies once that said people who quit smoking are more likely to die earlier than people who don't quit. What they don't tell you is that people quit BECAUSE they're almost dead!!

    Same goes for this study. There is a correlation between national wealth and anti-piracy. However this doesn't prove cause and effect. In fact there are many other factors that can easily play into this correlation. Nations that are rich are able to pay for software legitimately. Nations that are rich have the most to lose if copyrights are not enforced.

    Think back to the last century. The U.S., being the young developing nation it was back then, didn't bother respecting any intellectual property rights themselves. Works from Britain were stolen, no royalties were paid, and our government didn't care much either. Just go do a search on google for what Charles Dickens thought about the U.S. when we stole his books/works and paid him nothing for it.

    Fact is, developing nations NEED some latitude in terms of copyrights. Without it how are they going to develop? People in some of these countries can't even make enough $ in a year to pay for a crappy copy of Windows. The U.S. went through the same thing, and yet now we're calling the kettle black. This is hypocricy.

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