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on from the montessori-school dept.
suzipaw writes "In this interview on OpenP2P.com, Kay has some interesting observations about both the past and future of computing--including kids using technology. Says Kay, "Montessori would have been a great innovator with computers.""
My kid loves her computer
by
Voltronalpha
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My child loves her computer; she is 3 1/2 and uses it for 2-3 hours everyday. It has replaced the time in her day where she would usually sit and watch a Disney movie or some other such, now she is challenging her mind instead of taking backseat. Kids and computers do mix.
On the plus side at preschool there are two computers that the kids use/watch other kids use, exposure seems to be key.
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Re:My kid loves her computer
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Flabby+Boohoo
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2-3 hours is a huge amount of time... I honestly cannot see how that would be good for her.
I have two boys (5 and 7), and I encourage them to go outside and play, play with Lego building blocks (not legso:-)).
They each have thier own computer (old laptops) and they do play some games such as Reader Rabbit, etc. But I purposefully limit the amount of time spend in front of it. I just don't see how it can be good for them to sit there for hours.
Re:My kid loves her computer
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Commutative+Monoid
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There are several hours in a day, and for a child that isn't even three yet, I can't say that there exists a tremendous quantity of things for them to be doing to fill their time. Simply being outside for an extra two hours or so isn't going to make a tremendous difference in their capacity to kick or run, and in reality I see most small children spending much of their free time watching television.
The grandparent poster indicated that their child replaced Disney films with computer use, something that stresses literacy, over something that mostly involves vegetation. You may disagree with their assessment about the benefits of computer use over Disney films, but you've no particular reason or grounding to judge another person's parenting by in this, and it's rather rude to posit there's something harmful about the previously mentioned usage, simply because you do not see a reason for it with regard to your children.
Don't assume that because his child spends an aggregate two hours or so using a computer, that that is the extent of her day.
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Doesn't do much for me
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Mattygfunk1
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In my opinion this article sounds more like a long promotion rather than anything with substance.
A lot of criticisms about how what everyone else is doing is wrong without offering an alternative, and gloating that "he did it first".
Nothing against Alan personally, but he reminds me of team motivators that are great at speaking theory but lack giving true direction.
Kids and Computers
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1nsane0ne
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I've taught computer classes to kids before (ages 5 - 14 ) and it is amazing what some of them can do. It's neat to see which ones are confident enough to tinker with things and don't fear making mistakes, the same qualities many/.'ers had in their formative years I'm sure. By sitting in a lab with a few kids and doing something like blocking their favorite website, 9 times out of 10 the kids that go and find away around whatever you did are the ones that relate best to other people and kids. A little bit different then the older stereotypical geek I suppose. Back to the article, I think that besides the internet there has been no real boom in the computer reveloution during my lifetime at least, but then again I'm young and the lowest end machine I got to tinker with was a 286. I'm sure those of you who still have their commie 64's around have some other examples, but quite frankly, I missed all those. The way I see it the computer revolution has been a slow and steady battle with little booms along the way.
Re:Kids and Computers
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iq+in+binary
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Being someone who had to completely re-build his social skills due to computer use, I am torn between agreeing and disagreeing.
I used to get the crap kicked out of me every day (literally) by kids who saw me as a threat due to my intelligence. I stopped this by withdrawing completely from any personal social interaction.
Time eventually came where I "re-introduced" myself to the world. The fact I had been a social recluse for the past 3 years gave me a whole new spin on life once I actively sought one. I wholely believe this is for the better. Having been a social recluse for so long made real social interaction a learning experience for me.
Due to that, I'm now one of the most popular people in my area. This isn't even intentional. More than likely, it is due to the extreme change in environment and need to acclimate myself.
Tough situations are much better learning and cementing tools than people realize. Had I not shut myself off for awhile in my pubescant years, I'd probably just another wasted youth in America's ghetto.
Children aren't meant to handle social situations as well as adults can. Sometimes taking them out of the social situation for a small while is the best thing to do, considering how much they'll actually learn once put back in the situation.
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Re:Kids and Computers
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rf0
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I will admit that I use to be similar in being intelligent and that works against you. However a few years ago I decided to turn my life round as well and now I've got a life, a gf and actually go out. Perhaps I work a bit to much but I'm a lot happier. I just can't help but think though I should of spent more of my childhood out playing..
Re:Kids and Computers
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rf0
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When kids are old enough yes then I can see IM being reasonable as a form of communication. As for the mobile least the kids were talking. What I'm more concerened about is when kids are very young. They aren't going to use IM/IRC and I wouldn't let my kids over fears of security.
Its the 5 years old I worry about and would make to sure any kids I have will goto kindergarden so they at least learn what is socailly acceptable
Kids and Computers
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rf0
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To survive in todays world I agree that kids need to be able to use computers but one thing that concerns me is that an increasing number of people are seeing the computer as an alternative to having human interaction. I've seen a few kids who are 4/5 and have no idea about how to interact socially. There more than quite and shy they are withdrawn.
There should be a balance and I would think that it would be better to spend time with parents that technology. Just call me old fashioned it you want
Refelctions...
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evilviper
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Yes, all you get in the article are refections such as We were doing great things, and Computers aren't going where they should be. As with most similar interviews, there is nothing about what we SHOULD be doing now, just that we aren't doing it...
People, if you aren't happy with computers, come up with where they should be going, and why. A GUI was a natural evolution for the computer... What exactly do we need next? Come-on all you "visionaries"...
Re:Refelctions...
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FunkyRat
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I'm not sure whether you are trying to troll or if you're just a little igonorant about the history of the computer.
Back in the early 1970s, GUIs were not a natural evolution for computers. They only appear so in retrospect because Steve Jobs happened to get a tour of Xerox PARC and decided that GUIs should be the next step in the evolution of computers. I daresay that Jobs (and Woz's) experiences growing up playing (and later writing) video games influenced the decision to base the Lisa and then the Mac's OS around a GUI but had Jobs not had his little tour about PARC it's arguable that the PC revolution would never have happened and the CLI would still be dominant today.
Alan Kay and his fellow researchers at Xerox PARC and preceeded by Doug Englebart at SRI are the real thing - true visionaries. It's easy to knock their accomplishments 35+ years out (Englebart et. al. developed NLS in 1967!) because we've had that long for their ideas to percolate into mass culture. Yeah, I know, the Mac has only been with us since 1984 but really, Englebart and later Kay were subtly but powerfully through their work and demonstrations preparing the way for the dominance of the GUI. Also, as I made allusion to before, don't forget the powerful role that video games had in preparing the kids of the 70s and 80s in ways that would make GUIs seem second nature.
So yeah, I've got to agree, this interview was pretty weak. However, if you want to see where Kay really envisioned that we'd be right now, take a look at the copious information out there regarding Dynabook, Smalltalk and his work at Xerox PARC. Then take a swing by squeak.org, download a copy and play around with it for a while. It's hard not to be impressed. As far as where we go next, that's up to all of us, including you. Personally, I'd like to start working in some strong AI and humaniform robots, but that's my hangup. Perhaps you have a different destination in mind.
Note: I'm not sure of Steve Jobs actual role at Xerox PARC. I've read differing accounts ranging from the tourist picture I paint above to his actually being a researcher there. Can anybody clarify?
And mine are on the street if they learn PHP at any point... Although, actually, children learn to talk before they learn to draw, so why should mastering computer language come 12 years after mastering point and click? Or, conversely, why are GUIs so shallow?
The GUIs we have now generally have the grammatical sophistication of a 2 year-old: "Want THAT, Don't want THAT, move THAT, and THAT, and THAT..." Seeing Kay's name go past again makes me nostalgic for an age when interface designers dreamed bold dreams, when object-oriented meant more than another way of managing libraries, when we really thought that GUIs could become languages rather than cave paintings revisited. I remember playing with GUI code on a Symbolics 15 years ago that still makes any modern GUI seem incredibly limited, and this despite having 100 times the processing power we had then.
I think we settled for a parody of the original dream.
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What will computers *be*, to kids.
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dmorin
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Once upon a time computers were thought to be really fancy calculators.
Then people started thinking about them as fancy typewriters.
Then, databases. I remember working at a retail computer store in the late 80's and actually using the "mom can store her recipes" argument.
Somewhere in there they were seen as having the potential to be generic problem solvers. But I think that view was only ever held by developers, not users.
I think kids see the computer as a communication device. IM is the world to lots of them.
I, like many Slashdotters, saw my first computer at the age of about 10 where if you wanted a new video game you learned assembly language and wrote your own. I spend the next 20 years listening to people say things like "Oh, my 2yr old is into the computer just like you were!" Yeah, sure. The 2yr old likes to wiggle the mouse, I was hacking 6809 assembly. That's the same thing. But kids now have simply learned to see the computer for its communication ability, and don't necessarily care to see it as a machine that can be turned into new things. Sure, they like to personalize the hell out of it. Skinning your programs, generating new icons, that's all the rage. But the percentage of 10yr olds that are out there thinking about new IM programs to write is probably about the same as its always been. I've always been a firm believer that hackers are born, not made, a kid who is destined to hack will show an intuition for it from the minute she sits down at the keyboard, and a kid who isn't will be bored and distracted in programming classes.
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My child loves her computer; she is 3 1/2 and uses it for 2-3 hours everyday. It has replaced the time in her day where she would usually sit and watch a Disney movie or some other such, now she is challenging her mind instead of taking backseat. Kids and computers do mix.
On the plus side at preschool there are two computers that the kids use/watch other kids use, exposure seems to be key.
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A lot of criticisms about how what everyone else is doing is wrong without offering an alternative, and gloating that "he did it first".
Nothing against Alan personally, but he reminds me of team motivators that are great at speaking theory but lack giving true direction.
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I've taught computer classes to kids before (ages 5 - 14 ) and it is amazing what some of them can do. It's neat to see which ones are confident enough to tinker with things and don't fear making mistakes, the same qualities many /.'ers had in their formative years I'm sure. By sitting in a lab with a few kids and doing something like blocking their favorite website, 9 times out of 10 the kids that go and find away around whatever you did are the ones that relate best to other people and kids. A little bit different then the older stereotypical geek I suppose. Back to the article, I think that besides the internet there has been no real boom in the computer reveloution during my lifetime at least, but then again I'm young and the lowest end machine I got to tinker with was a 286. I'm sure those of you who still have their commie 64's around have some other examples, but quite frankly, I missed all those. The way I see it the computer revolution has been a slow and steady battle with little booms along the way.
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To survive in todays world I agree that kids need to be able to use computers but one thing that concerns me is that an increasing number of people are seeing the computer as an alternative to having human interaction. I've seen a few kids who are 4/5 and have no idea about how to interact socially. There more than quite and shy they are withdrawn.
There should be a balance and I would think that it would be better to spend time with parents that technology. Just call me old fashioned it you want
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Yes, all you get in the article are refections such as We were doing great things, and Computers aren't going where they should be. As with most similar interviews, there is nothing about what we SHOULD be doing now, just that we aren't doing it...
People, if you aren't happy with computers, come up with where they should be going, and why. A GUI was a natural evolution for the computer... What exactly do we need next? Come-on all you "visionaries"...
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Then people started thinking about them as fancy typewriters.
Then, databases. I remember working at a retail computer store in the late 80's and actually using the "mom can store her recipes" argument.
Somewhere in there they were seen as having the potential to be generic problem solvers. But I think that view was only ever held by developers, not users.
I think kids see the computer as a communication device. IM is the world to lots of them.
I, like many Slashdotters, saw my first computer at the age of about 10 where if you wanted a new video game you learned assembly language and wrote your own. I spend the next 20 years listening to people say things like "Oh, my 2yr old is into the computer just like you were!" Yeah, sure. The 2yr old likes to wiggle the mouse, I was hacking 6809 assembly. That's the same thing. But kids now have simply learned to see the computer for its communication ability, and don't necessarily care to see it as a machine that can be turned into new things. Sure, they like to personalize the hell out of it. Skinning your programs, generating new icons, that's all the rage. But the percentage of 10yr olds that are out there thinking about new IM programs to write is probably about the same as its always been. I've always been a firm believer that hackers are born, not made, a kid who is destined to hack will show an intuition for it from the minute she sits down at the keyboard, and a kid who isn't will be bored and distracted in programming classes.
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