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Xerox Alto Computer 30th Anniversary

aheath writes "The New York Times has a story about the 30th anniversary of the Xerox Alto computer: How Digital Pioneers Put the 'Personal' in PC's. According to the PARC Factsheet "The Alto Computer (1973/1980) included the Graphical User Interface (GUI), WYSIWYG editing, bit-mapped display, overlapping windows, and the first commercial use of the mouse." The concepts prototyped in the Xerox Alto contributed to the development of the Xerox Star, the Apple Lisa, the Apple Macintosh and Microsoft Windows 1.0."

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  1. Dealers of Lightening by joeflies · · Score: 4, Informative
    Read Dealers of Lightening for a very good look at what happened at Xerox Parc. It does a good blend of the managment misfires, the politics, as well as providing a solid appreciation for what these guys did.

    The section I found most interesting was the political battles over purchasing a research computer. After selecting a computer that was best suited for the job, they didn't get to buy it, and ended up building their own. A great story about how the pure research and deep thinkers mixed both worked together and battled against the engineers and the suits.

  2. Non-registration URL. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
  3. A little better picture. . . by Fritz+Benwalla · · Score: 5, Informative

    Can be found here -- odd little note, the original CPU is on casters, so I suppose it ranks as the first portable too.

    Its blazing computational stats:

    BCPL: 5-10 uSec for a simple expression
    Nova Asm: 1-2uSec / instruction
    Microcode: 170 nSec / micro instruction

    Can be found with a lot of other cool information on its original programming language and some software on this very cool page by an Alto collector.

    Neat machine. I think I want one now.

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  4. Re:I'm not too sure that the Windows 1.0 thing by bedouin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Have you ever used Windows 1.0? I managed to get it running in Virtual PC one day; it was nothing more than a glorified DOS shell with a calculator and word processing app. The Lisa on the other hand, actually did some useful things, and had a somewhat graceful GUI; nicely shaded grays are much nicer than that 4 color CGA monstrosity that was Windows 1.0.

    Actually I remember using Geos on my c64 around 85/86, and unlike Windows 1.0, there were a few decent productivity apps for it. M$ isn't the only company guilty of stealing ideas, it's just they're the only ones to consistently make bad implementations of what they stole . .

    Did you know the Lisa could also run UNIX?

  5. Re:And for some reason...... by SN74S181 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I prefer to focus on the core vi functionality, and avoid any new non-standard bells and whistles. I have too many boxes here at home whose only connection to the outside is the ethernet cable. The BSD os'es all include vi built in, and emacs only as a package. And at a job not long ago even the OS/2 boxes, which all had telnet server daemons running on them, had a vi installed.

    It's just nuts to use anything else. Bring up many editors in a remote shell and you just go to a blankscreen (the editor used direct screen writes, etc.) and the whole shooting match is over.

    In emergencies, though, it's also useful to remember some of the ed commands. I don't think there's a UNIX system in existence that doesn't have ed lurking down there in /bin

  6. Debunking the "Apple Ripped Off Xerox PARC" Myth by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Informative
    Since I'm sure it will come up somewhere in this thread, I'd like to launch a premptive strike and debunk the "Apple stole the Lisa/Mac interface from Xerox PARC" Myth.

    1. Apple was already working on some GUI elements before Steve Jobs visit to Xerox PARC in 1979.

    2. Many Apple and Xerox GUI elements were developed in parallel.

    3. Most importantly, Apple paid Xerox millions in stock to incorporate the GUI elements it did borrow for the Lisa/Macintosh projects.


    Apple borrowed a number of elements from PARC research, but not all of them, and it did pay for the ones it did borrow. More details at: http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html.
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  7. Re:Methaphors, Forms by Planesdragon · · Score: 4, Informative
    what other good GUI metaphors are there?

    A whole bunch, actually.

    • A "channel" metaphor, where you "flip" between different programs.
    • A "book" metaphor, where you move between tabbed "chapters" that represent either various tasks or various stages of work
    • A "deep box" metaphor, where you have various objects in a 2D+1 space, with the closer objects getting higher priority.


    The interesting part is, modern GUIs integrate both the "book" and "channel" metaphors alongside the "papers on a desk" metaphor. I certainly know that I don't use overlapping windows for anything but file-sorting; every program I run (exempting IM and Winamp) is maximized, and I switch between the tasks with the fundamental windows keyboard command, Alt+tab.)

    Personally, I'm eagerly awaiting a better file system metaphor. Toss the "files and folders" lie, skip the "everything is a file" concept, and hop right into "Hard Drive is a database."
  8. *sigh* Apple didn't "Steal" the GUI from Xerox by green+pizza · · Score: 5, Informative

    While many Xerox engineers and even more techies outside of the company were sad to see Xerox discontinue GUI efforts beyond the Alto and Star, this was the full intention of the company's executives. At the time, Xerox was a copy machine company, the powers that be had no interest in making any sort of computer. In return for information, cooperation, and to somewhat return the favor, Apple gave Xerox a large amount of Apple stock. Apple didn't "buy" the GUI from Xerox, neither did they "steal" the GUI. About the only thing they "stole" were some engineers that moved to Apple to continue GUI work (Apple's former chief scientist, Larry Tessler, for example).

    The early Lisa and Macintosh machines were less powerful than the last generation Xerox machines, but had better software support. The Xerox had several impressive demos, but most were incomplete. By 1985, the Macintosh had Mac Write, Mac Paint, Mac Draw, Hypercard, several Postscript-based illustration and DTP applications, and the very first GUI versions of MS Word and Excel.

    Search the web for Apple/Xerox myths, you'll find the real story from several credible sources, including Steve Wozniak (Apple co-founder) who was still with the company at the time. www.woz.org may be a good start.

    If it makes you feel any better, you may want to think of Apple as getting a taste of their own medicine with the Newton project. Like Xerox that pioneered a new area of computing, but allowed other companies to mass market smaller/cheaper models, Apple left the PDA market just as it began to take off. The Newtons were impressive technology demos, but were large and expensive and still had some quirks. Two years after Apple discontinued the Newton, everyone had a Palm.

  9. Re:I'm not too sure that the Windows 1.0 thing by voodoo1man · · Score: 3, Informative
    "The Jobs visit had been infuriating enough, he says. He'd been out of town at the time, which was regrettable, "because if I'd been in town, I would have told him [Jobs] to get out. And if he hadn't, I would have beat the shit out of him. I had no respect for him. Then they [Xerox] would have fired me - and it would have been good for me and for them.""
    From an interview with Bob Taylor (who used to be director of the Computer Science Lab at PARC) in W. Mitchell Waldrop's _The Dream Machine_. The exchange happened when Jobs "allowed" (the book makes it sound like this was a privilige) Xerox to buy $1.05 million of Apple stock in a private (Apple hand't gone public yet) stock sale, for which he would get unlimited access to research at PARC.

    Actually, Apple had been planning the Lisa over a year before Job's visit, bit-mapped screen and mouse included. The Apple people mainly wanted to look at Smalltalk (too bad Jobs didn't "steal" that). They weren't particularly impressed with the laser printer or ethernet (Jobs was supposed to have hated networks with a passion).

    The quote above was probably largely motivated by the (realized) fear that the microcomputer manufacturers would bastardize the idea of personal computing (the general view seems to have been that they were bright ignoramuses who completely ignored what the rest of the computer community was doing).

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