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Stations Can't Play Crippled Music Disks

arb writes "The Age is reporting that some radio stations are unable to play copy-protected CDs. It seems at least one radio station is facing problems transferring CD tracks to their digital playout system. Is the lack of radio air-play a price the record labels are willing to pay in their efforts to stamp out piracy?"

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  1. hrm by B3ryllium · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read a recent story on Canada.com about a Vancouver station playing songs from the new Radiohead album that they downloaded from the net ...

    Yay! The return of Pirate Radio!

    And with great software like TuneTracker (at http://www.beosradio.com/ ), it's easier than ever to run a professional-level radio station with a low low budget.

  2. Re:Download them! by applef00 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've spoken with a DJ from KZOK (classic rock) in Seattle about this very thing. They used to use Napster, etc. to acquire songs that were difficult to find but were covered by their RIAA agreement. Last year, Infinity corporate nixed it. Basically, they said that anyone using P2P on company property or with company equipment was fired. As an aside, KZOK also happens to be one the last remaining station (at least in Seattle) that has a working 8-Track hooked to their board.

  3. Placebo by pr0nbot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I bought the new Placebo album the other day (on Virgin Records). It had a "copy control" sticker on the front. There's no Compact Disc logo on it anywhere.

    On the back is a blurb saying the disc is designed to play on CD players, DVD players, PCs and Macs. What it doesn't say is that in order to play it on a computer you're supposed to use the software on the disc (hmm... totally future-proof). Furthermore, it autoruns an installer to install the software.

    We verified that we couldn't play the disc on a Windows 98 PC using standard audio players. We didn't install the software on the CD, for obvious reasons.

    On OS X we were able to play it and rip it using iTunes. On Linux (on a same model thinkpad as the Win98 PC) we were also able to play and rip it.

    The shop I bought it from was a small indie, and I notice that in the bigger shops the album doesn't have any copy-control information on it. It's possible that the indie sold me a promo, in which case perhaps they're trying to stop MP3s leaking before the album comes out, or it may be that the retail album is a regular CD (or copy-protected but not so labelled).

  4. DRM deprives stations of their rights. by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Assuming these stations have paid the Australian equivalent ASCAP and BMI fees, have the rights to broadcast this material.

    IP law is deliberately confusing and can only be sorted out by human beings. (In the case of complex situations, human beings that charge high fees).

    There is no way that any simple, inexpensive bit of software can correctly determine whether or not the user does, in fact, have the rights to the use he or she is making.

    In every case, of course, the DRM schemes err in the direction of denying use to people that POSSESS rights, never the other way around.

    P.S. Yes, I did read the article. This sounds like Midbar's scheme, in which (when it works properly!) the computer still cannot access the real audio tracks, but the special software allows access to lower-quality compressed versions--which can only be played, not copied to the hard drive. So even if the boss had allowed the software to be installed, the station would have probably found that this didn't do any good.

  5. Re:Correction: Station refuses to play disc. by Alsee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not that they can't, they just dont want to

    You are almost certianly wrong. They state that they cannot play the CD's as is:

    unable to play any of the CDs it received - the copy protection on the discs gets in the way.

    And even if they installed the DRM software there is no reason to think the DRM software will allow them to transfer the music to thier broadcast system. The DRM system is specificly designed to prevent you from transfering the music.

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  6. What about the DMCA? by NeuroManson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Considering that the RIAA is making CDs without the official "Audio CD" label, aren't they technically violating the DMCA? They did, after all, reverse engineer the compact disc standard, to make a disc that can be played on otherwise audio CD compliant player.

    Even though there was never any official encryption to begin with (and those who analyzed the CSS code probably consider it as minimal), that doesn't give them the right to perform an illegal act. The CD technology IS patented, and covered under international law as such.

    Making a "Not-CD" (subliminal joke there if you say it to yourself out loud) in essense violates those patents, even if they removed the Compact Disc logo.

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  7. What about watermarking? by sielwolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since most illegal mp3s come from critic and radio advanced copies, why don't the labels digitally watermark these advances? Of course the problem would be you'd want a unique mark for every copy (so, I assume, you could find the source and not pick on a bunch of kids who picked it up). But just burn them onto CDR then.

    Then if a copy is found online, diff it with the original, and find out who leaked it.

    Or maybe I'm oversimplifying things. I guess if you could make the key seeding random enough that it wouldn't be easy to wipe...

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  8. Re:Give them time. by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From what little radio work I've done (mostly in college radio stations), the equipment consists of a PC with a good soundcard (pro-level, not a soundblaster), and some software that basically rips CDs and organizes them so the DJ can find and set up playlists with blank spots for their patter, commercials and what not.

    With this in mind, an "upgrade" to a DRM-based system would probably be possible, particularly if the RIAA pushed it with special incentives (upgrade your system, we'll give you some exclusive tracks 2 weeks ahead of time!). The problem for the RIAA is that the analog sound going to the transmitter is still very good quality; a dedicated tech with a laptop could probably patch his system into the link from the audio system to the transmitter and get fairly good MP3s or OGGs. Until the RIAA gets everything in the world digital and DRMed, there just won't be any way to stop a dedicated pirate. Even then, I bet someone will find a way real quick ;).

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