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Roaming WLAN / GPRS

Obnoxio The Clown writes "The Register has an article on breaking technology which will (theoretically) allow roaming between WLAN and GPRS (and presumably 3G when it gets here)." At long last, I'll be able to delete my spam from everywhere!

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  1. Spam by Neophytus · · Score: 4, Funny

    At long last, I'll be able to delete my spam from everywhere!
    Thats my kind of night taco! An evening in the pub with a drink in one hand and a PDA deleting spam in the other... I mean, girls come second to spam any day!

  2. 3G.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    will be finally implemented 3 generations after mine?

  3. Re:3G? by Michael+Hunt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    802.11 as next-generation cell? Unlikely. The contention arbitration mechanisms aren't there, and the protocol was never designed to be used over a distance of greater than about 500 metres.

    People like Karlnet (with TurboCell) have tried to push this envelope, largely unsuccessfully. A company I was involved with (who shall remain nameless, as I still own some of their stock) tried to push these technologies as 'long distance wireless multipoint technology' and it plain sucked at it. Square peg, round hole.

    Comparing 802.11(a,b,g, or even TurboCell) with 2.5G/WCDMA/GSM/whatever is like comparing shared 10 megabit ethernet with a DS1. The latter has fixed timeslots to avoid two, three, or 30 devices contending for the available bandwidth. Each device is allocated a section of spectrum (bandwidth in the case of a DS1.) 802.3 has CSMA/CD which guarantees that all devices can continue speaking in the presence of collisions. 802.11 uses an even more perverse scheme referred to as CSMA/CA (collision AVOIDANCE,) which avoids collisions in the unlikely event that all nodes can see each other.

    Incidentally (I will get to the point eventually, I promise,) cell works by dividing the available spectrum into timeslots, much as a DS1 does. The three most common division mechanisms are FDMA (frequency multiplexing, in which case every device gets its own unique, but very small, section of spectrum), TDMA (timeslot multiplexing, in which all devices contend for the same spectrum, but the timing guarantees each device uses a given slot,) and CDMA (code-based multiplexing, i'm honestly not sure how this works. Qualcomm own a patent on much of it, paid for by the American taxpayer.)

    Since each device is guaranteed, deterministically, not to step on the toes of any other device, the devices don't have to be able to see each other in order to avoid major contention issues.

    Now, back to 802.11 and CSMA/CA. The CSMA/CA algorithm guarantees that a given device won't hog the spectrum when it can hear other devices contending for it. If you move some of these devices such that they can't hear each other, the theory has it (which is why you have a wireless net running in infrastructure mode with a base station) that the base station will repeat communications from one node to the others. However, node A won't have any way of knowing that node B is after some spectrum, and vice versa. End result, the node which is closer (think physics and speed of light) will get the lion's share of the bandwidth.

    Based on these assumptions, as well as the fact that 802.11 operates in spectrum used by microwave ovens, obscure military devices (the UNI/I 5.8 gig band,) and some satellite stuff (sideband interference 100MHz up the scale), 802.11 will never replace a properly thought out deterministic voice-grade protocol.

    Now, *MDS on the other hand....

  4. Re:3G? by rcs1000 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's funny you should mention this, because I just got my 3G phone working yesterday. It sucks.

    (For the record I am using Hutchinson's three service in the UK with the NEC e606 phone.)

    Compared to WLAN access (even at its slowest), 3G crawls. And - frankly - you've got a better chance of finding a WLAN access point than consistent 3G coverage.

    WLAN does, however, have to jump through a few hurdles before it can approach what the cell phone networks do. Firstly, it needs some kind of rationing. At CeBIT my laptop could always see about 20 WLAN networks at any time. Surprise, surprise: none of them worked as they all interfered. At least with cell-phones, one person has a working service.

    Secondly, there is no support for "handing-off" between base stations. Given the limited range of an AP, this is a must. (It's also not simple: you need to maintain your IP address as you jumo between APs, which requires a unified backbone network - which 3G has, but WLAN does not.)

    Thirdly, it needs various WLAN access point owners and cell-phone operators to communicate. And this is where I break down laughing.

    I wish, I wish WLAN could come and allow me to throw away my terrible NEC e606. But I just don't see it.

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  5. Welcome to Europe... by MosesJones · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Anyone who thinks the smart chip is credit card sized is a moron. My mobile has a smart card inside, its the same size as the smart card in my credit card... BUT NEITHER OF THEM ARE THE SAME SIZE AS THE CONTAINER (i.e. credit card or mobile).

    Sheesh, you can get smart cards that need all that space for extra memory, but most are tiny things with the external contacts making up most of the support.

    The mobile IS the smart card device that can be carried around as it has all of the required elements

    1) Contains a smart card
    2) Able to interact with other devices over multilpe mechanisms (GSM, IrDA, Bluetooth etc)
    3) Smart card can be replaced as require.

    Smart cards are NOT credit card sized, that is the plastic that holds them. Its sort of like saying that starter motors are car sized.

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  6. Re:Break through technology.... or same thing ? by caluml · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or even better - look into Mobile IP. http://www.ipunplugged.com/ is a box we are trialling now. Uses care of addresses, and IPsec. (Oh, and our 3G works nicely ;) )

  7. Market? What market? by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I worked on a similar project at a major cell phone company. It started over a year and a half ago, and quickly fizzled. Why? There's little market. We had a solution but no customers. Wow, you can be connected to your corporate LAN via 802.11 in the building, and seamlessly transition to GPRS when you leave the building, without losing your connection! Sounds great, but how many people do you know who access their corporate network via their cell phone, or who actively work on their laptop while they're walking out of the building? The only promising application for this technology was PDAs, and people don't run enterprise applications or work corporate spreadsheets on their PDAs. The "seamless handoff" tech is cool, but there's just no market.

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