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Cell Phones Companies Fight Number Portability

andy1307 writes "The Washington Post is reporting that wireless companies are opposing mobile number portability. According to the law as it is being written, customers would be able to transfer wired phone numbers to a wireless service. Not surprisingly, Verizon is the wireless company opposing the law."

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  1. The US Again... by Woxbert · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not only am I going to try for first post, I'm also going to try and point out that us Europeans have had this for years...

    If only global companies would look outside of national markets for best practice, consumers would have a much better life.

    1. Re:The US Again... by clonmult · · Score: 5, Informative

      We've had it for years, its been handy to take my number between networks without problems, but the whole cost of cross network charges is a pain. You used to know which network someone was on by their prefix, now you haven't got a clue, and its almost worth asking "what network are you on" when you first call someone, just to keep call charges down.

    2. Re:The US Again... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I live in Portugal too. A friend did change operators while keeping his phone number. Apparently, he cannot get reliable service, his phone numbers gets disconnected for days with no explanation other than "technical difficulties" and when he asks what a permanent solution would be, they say (yes, you guessed it) that he should have a number in the block allocated to his current operator...

      --
      Mother is the best bet and don't let Satan draw you too fast.
  2. Why not as the same way on the 'net? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I had the same problem with emails.. Change ISP, and you have to change email accounts. Similar problem ,as your correspondance and cards all have to change. You also have to alert everybody that olduser@oldisp.com is now gone. Pretty much a pain in the ass.

    Well now, I purchased my own domain name and I run my own mail server. If somebody wants to email me, they aim it at user@mydomainname.com (my domain hidden to protect from /.ing ). My IP's can change ill it wants, I can simply use an auto-update daemon.

    What I'm saying, is have the similar sort of dial-setup. You can either buy a phone redirection circuit, or if there's dealers out there, buy a redirection phone number.

    Old style=
    Caller => You

    New style=

    Caller => Redirection service => wherever you specify

    My plan's sort of like DNS for phones.

  3. Hong Kong by yehim1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Hong Kong, they have had it since the beginning.

    The country code is +852, and mobile phone numbers always start with either 9 or 6. All the numbers are governed centrally in a pool by a regulatory body.

    When you subscribe to a network, you would pay a surchange to the regulatory body for the "number", and then it belongs to the network you are subscribed to. When you change networks, you keep your old number but you have to pay about US$10 to the regulatory body to change your information.

    In this way, there is better competition between operators (there are 7 in this small country!!), and the users are not bound in anyway to an operator that offers shitty service.

    There is a flip-side, however. Here SMS'es between networks are charged at about USD 0.20, but SMS'es in the same network are charged USD 0.10. There is no way of determining whether your receipient is in the same network! Even if you know, they might have changed their mobile network...

    Also, with MMS coming up, it gives additional problems if you do not know which network your receipient is in. But the networks are opening their MMS services for inter-network sending soon, so it would be solved (just like SMS'es).

  4. Portability rules! by nordicfrost · · Score: 5, Informative

    Number portability and virtual networks is the key to a healthy and competitive cell market. I live in Norway, where we have two networks (Telenor (former state monopoly) and Netcom). These companies have the GSM infrastructure and rents out air time to virtual operators such as Chess, Sense, Carrot and You. Combine the vitual networks with law-mandatory number portability and you've got some good competition going on. The prices have gone down a bit after the portability was introduced. When there was only Telenor and Netcom, you had an effective oligopoly.

  5. I work for a Telco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    here in Canada, and I think one of the main issues here we're (as in slashdot) ignoring is the simple less sinister one: cost.

    Number portability, atleast for us, is a major expensive pain in the @ss.

    We are planning on moving towards number portabilty, because we feel it's ultimately good for everyone involved - new cutomers that move into our area can keep old numbers etc. etc. We also get a happier customer out of the deal, if he/she can choose us over another competitor simply because they can keep their phone number - we feel that will offset the cost of churn.

    The problem is, billing systems need to be updated, massive changes in the switching equipment need to be maintained AND - we need cooperation from other Telco's. In Canada as well, there's the legal issues of satisfying the government, (CRTC), so unfourtunately everything moves at a snail's pace.

    I'm not sure about other companies in the US, but I don't think it's a typical problem of the "huge corporations trying to screw the customers" in this case, which is often trumpeted by the majority of slashdotters. Basically a major rework of the phone system needs to be done throughot North America to make this work properly, and sadly this is going to take some time.

  6. I work in the U.S. wireless telecom industry... by mosburger · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...I write billing and customer care software. We've been ready for WNP for years now. Thought I could maybe clear a couple of things up...


    A lot of people are complaining about the fact that in the United States, we only give out blocks of 10,000 numbers. That simply isn't true anymore. Most people don't realize this, but last November, all non-GSM (more on U.S. GSM in a sec) U.S. Cell companies 'split' their phone numbers into two identical numbers... one called the MDN (Mobile Directory Number, or Mobile Dialable Number), and the MIN (Mobile Identification Number). The MDN is what you actually dial when you call your friend on their cell phone, and the MIN is (sort of) what the call routes on (actually, it routes on a different number called the Local Routing Number or LRN, which is associated with the MIN, but I digress...).


    Anyway, when the numbers got split, it because possible to dole out phone numbers in smaller blocks... if someone needs a block of 1000 numbers and it's in the same cost center (think long distance charges) as someone else who needs 1000 numbers, they can share the same block of 10000 MDNs and use different MINs with different LRNs. This whole process is called 'Number Pooling'.


    All of this also allows for WNP. So essentially, the software is already doing all of the 'hard stuff' today... we've been using two phone numbers since last November. On Nov 24th 2003, you will be able to port your MDN. Your MIN will change. So your dialable number might go from Verizon to Cingular, but your MIN will change from a Verizon MIN to a Cingular MIN. You and your friends don't notice any difference... think of your dialable number like a pointer to a MIN.


    Confused? See why Verizon doesn't want to do this? I think WNP is a good thing, but I barely understand this stuff, and I helped write the damned software that's supposed to do all this... imagine training hundreds of customer care staff on how this stuff works.


    GSM in the U.S. is a little less scary 'cuz it was designed from the ground-up to route on a separate number from the dialable number (they call the diable number the MSISDN... forget what it stands for off the top of my head... it's pronounced 'Mizz-din'.) GSM routes (again, sort of) on the IMSI, which is programmed into the SIM card. It's kinda sorta like combining the ESN (serial number on the phone) and the LRN from the TDMA/CDMA world into one number.