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Sun Considers Opteron
Sanjay writes "Official from Sun spokesman. Sun is considering using AMD's Opteron chip in a server it expects to deliver to the market shortly.
Intead of fighting Win of Wintel (like Redhat is doing), Sun can choose to fight both with Linux AMD's servers and also fight with HP/IBM as Itanium is anyway a non starter.
Sun can rise again!
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When I read "Sun can rise again" my wee mind read it as if Apu was saying it ala "Thank you, come again"
Trolling is a art,
Did I get sucked into some hellish wormhole?
Or is this a normal Taco dupe?
And maybe we should change that slogan, what about:
News for the amnesiac. Stuff that mattered
After hearing that Microsoft is going to use it, and Now, Sun.
So when is Intel going to use Opteron?
SCO to Hell
Is taco really a human? The /. editor turing test (/.ETT) has been applied and the answer is ....
YES
Since any computer could be programmed to check for dupes. Unless of course TacoAI is sooo devious that it intentionally posts dupes to make is _seem_ like there is a real human being.
When Taco starts singing "Daisy", then we'll know the truth.
Let me get a press release together, hang on...
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
....whoa
philcrissman.com.
SunMicroDevices monopoly, here I come!
April 8: Sun may use Opteron
April 9: Microsoft commits to Opteron
April 10: Sun considers Opteron
Who's following who ?
Sanjay writes "Official from Slashdot spokesman. Slashdot is considering using Slashdot's Slashdot chip in a server it expects to deliver to the market shortly. Intead of fighting Slash of Slashdot (like Slashdot is doing), Slashdot can choose to fight both with Slashdot's servers and also fight with /. as Slashdot is anyway a non starter. Slashdot can rise again! "
Well...replacing most all of the proper nouns with Slashdot at least gave me a chuckle. Okay, so I'm retarded.
-AS
I'm glad this news *finally* makes it to slashdot as it certainly has *never* been discussed before. On a related note, has anyone heard about that new 'evil bit' RFC? I'm surprised that has never made it on slashdot.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
From the office of Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (aka Baghdad Bob):
"Sun actually can rise again!???"
Think about it.
Karma: The shiznight, mostly because I am the Drizzle.
Given that so many companies (e.g., Sun, IBM, and Dell) want to increase their 64-bit x86 offerings, Microsoft had better work double time to release 64-bit Windows.
Imagine the horror of loading 64-bit Windows up on a Sun-branded server. Would the server implode in some sort of confused fury? Would the little OpenBoot PROM chip see the coming plauge, crawl out of the enclosure, and run away to a blissful place where that MS monster can't go?
Healthcare article at Kuro5hin
You apparently intend your post as a warning to Sun that it should give up on its existing technologies (sparc,solaris) and join what you perceive as the "linux pack" of IBM, HP, etc. But if you look at your own arguments and reconsider them, the case is far from clear that what you suggest is in fact wise.
Consider IBM. Sure, IBM is selling hardware with Linux loaded on it. But they haven't given up on their Power chips as you seem to imply that Sun should its Sparc series. Why aren't you wagging your tongue at IBM for that? And AIX? What of that? IBM certainly hasn't abandonded it, and I wouldn't expect it to any time soon. So all that IBM is really offering is yet another operating system choice, in this case Linux, and it meets your approval. It doesn't necessarily do anything unique there.
And what of HP? You say that HP has proven that they can sell Linux servers in the absence of huge corporate support. What on earth are you talking about? HP is one of the largest computer companies on the planet. If they can't make a go of selling Linux boxes, who can? I will also point out that HP hasn't dumped RISC for X86, but instead went to expensive Itanium, and has a long roadmap for HP/UX. Sure they will sell you a Linux box, but they would prefer to sell you something else.
You assert that Linux is evolving way faster then any previous OS in history. The only reason that is possible is because it has had so far to go to catch up. To catch up it has generally traveled trails blazed by others, and relied upon the kindness of volunteers and donations from kinfolk (JFS,XFS,etc.). Sure Linux is causing the traditional Unix vendors to react and jump a bit.... just like BSD did to AT&T Unix, GNU did to Unix, the various Unix groups and companies did to each other over time. But big unix companies are still here and adapting.
Cost? I've got Sun equipment that cheaper than my Dells, and suits my particular needs better. Cost/performance? Depending upon the day and the metric you've got a better argument. But it doesn't matter how cheap it is, or what the price/performance is if it doesn't cut the mustard. PC and linux aren't even close to being a universal solution. Check back in 3 years after Opteron is well entrenched, Linux gets some more time in the rock polisher, and companies have figured out which direction Linux on X86 is heading: Intel vs AMD. Till then, confusion reigns.
I also wouldn't count on Linux staying cheap. All of the major Linux commercial vendors are putting plans into place or releasing enterprise or professional releases that are both much more expensive, and have a much lower change rate. What else do you expect? Linux companies have been going broke left and right for years, and only a few now are starting to make a profit. There have to be profitable Linux vendors if linux is going to be a commercial success, and that means money, lots more money. And that money will come from their customers for license and support costs. I pay less for Sun support than what is in my budget for Red Hat support. It will be interesting to watch what happens to the Linux marketplace once that becomes more common.
The change rate for commercial linux is starting to drop for the professional releases. This has to happen since if you need something reliable that you are going to bet your business on, you can't afford the overhead of the constant release churning that has marked the Linux world to date. Testing, certification, and quality assurance take time. I wonder how that will effect Linux in the marketplace?
Its kind of ironic, but many of the things that you list as big advantages for Linux are really disadvantages to those with deep pockets. Rapid change is bad. Cheap is irrelevant. Almost as stable isn't stable. Those cost of the application, its implementation and maintenance is king. But the Linux commercial marketplace is heading toward those opportunities. I wonder what the outcome will be?
Linux is "
So I'm a pervert. Welcome to the Internet.
Yeah, in the original article, they were considering considering using them, but now they are just considering using them.
It seems as If I have read this comment somewhere before...
Morpheus: Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain. But you feel it. You've felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is but it's there, like a splinter in your mind driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Taco: The Duplicates?
Morpheus: Do you want to know what THEY are? The Duplicates are everywhere. They are all around us, even now in this very forum. You can see them when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can read them when you go to work, when you go to user's groups, in the background when you do your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
Taco: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave to techno news & discussion, Taco. Like everyone else you were born into bondage, born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind.... Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Duplicates are. You have to see them for yourself. This is your last chance. After this there is no turning back. You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how many rabbits are in the hole.... Remember, all I'm offering is the truth, nothing more.... Follow me.... Cowboy Neal, are we online?
Cowboy Neal: Almost.
Morpheus: Time is always against us. Please, take a seat there.
Taco: You did all this?
Trinity: A-huh.
Morpheus: The pill you took is part of a trace program. It's designed to disrupt your input/output carrier signal so we can count the inputs.
Taco: What does that mean?
Cypher: It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas is going bye-bye.
Taco: Did you...
Morpheus: Have you ever read a story, Taco, that you were so sure was original. What if you were unable to tell the difference. How would you know the difference between the original story and the duplicate?
Taco: This can't be...
Morpheus: Be what? A duplicate?
Trinity: It's going into replication.
Morpheus: Cowboy Neal?
Cowboy Neal: Still nothing.
Taco: It's old. It's old.
Morpheus: Tank, we're going to need a signal soon.
Trinity: We've got fibrillation.
Morpheus: Cowboy Neal, location.
Cowboy Neal: Targeting almost there.
Trinity: It's going into arrest.
Cowboy Neal: Lock, I've got him.
Morpheus: Now, Tank. Now.