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NASA Wires Chips With Nanotubes

carstene writes "SpaceDaily reports that NASA has come up with a way to wire microchips with nanotubes instead of copper interconnects. Aparently this could keep Moore's law a reality well into the next decade."

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  1. need more info? by jayoyayo · · Score: 5, Informative

    oddly enough, for more in depth information, check out the recorded answers they provide for integration into radio broadcasts.

  2. Re:royalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    technically speaking they can patent it and license the technology or make it public domain.

  3. Re:How good conductors? by DCowern · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh, I'd say that they conduct somewhere around "more than a million amperes of current in a one square centimeter area without any deterioration". Direct quote from the article...

  4. Warrent some explanation by lingqi · · Score: 4, Informative
    nanotubes spontaneously combust when bright light is shone upon them.

    I think it was discovered at RPI.

    AFAIK Oxygen is necessary for this combustion to take place, so your chips would be safe.

    But in the end nobody really knows.

    p.s. this has serious implications on the space-elevator, if y'all havn't thought about it already. =)

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    1. Re:Warrent some explanation by mdielmann · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note that this is only for single-walled nanotubes...here's an article about it...

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  5. "good conductors" by lingqi · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't remember nanotubes being excellent conductors (there are not so many free-floating electrons, so resistance is not as low as other materials), however, for the size they can handle a LOT of current. Because the atomic structure is so strong (this also contributes to the tensile strength), large quantities of electrons flowing does not "knock" atoms from their stable positions off, which would cause serious problems (silicon and copper both are exhibiting this troublesome behavior, and will be more problematic as transisters continue to shrink).

    However, there has been recent research that suggest carbon compounds (diamond was it?) can be made to superconduct. It was from Africa, methinks? If that was really possible, nanotubes may have hope.

    I would personally think the next big thing should be joseph-junction based (SQUID) computers, which would REALLY kick butt. (natural resonance frequency of 500GHz!)

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    1. Re:"good conductors" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There was something in ,I think John Cramers column in Analog S.F. about using acythelyne gas at very low pressures to produce diamond film this was about 3 years ago This film seemed to exhibit some super-conductive property including the rejection of a magnetic field

    2. Re:"good conductors" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      just to pick, but:

      P =(I^2)R

      That being the case, P will get even bigger than you thought. Maybe R is really small...

      aluminum's resistivity is 2.8 ohms-cm, and copper's is 1.7 ohms-cm. Anyone know the resistivity for tye different types of nanotubes (SWCN, etc...)?

  6. Re:quantum entaglement by wass · · Score: 4, Informative
    Nanotubes actually have significant potential for quantum computing. Nanotubes are much more than just a carbon 'wire', they are a well-structured crystal with a number of symmetry groups that can be exploited for interesting solid-state effects.

    I know some folks trying to make qubits out of nanotubes by patterning gates on them. Very very hard, they're so damn small standard lithography techniques are out the window.

    Nanotubes also have interesting phonon characteristics that make them good candidates for qubit systems. Also, it has been demonstrated that spin-orbit coupling in nanotubes can be drastically reduced, which can greatly enhance coherence times for spintronic qubits.

    So, if Intel or NASA is "only" looking at using these guys for interconnects, carbon nanotubes still have significant potential for revolutionary computing breakthroughs.

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  7. Re:This will take a while to seep down to home use by kinnell · · Score: 5, Informative
    there are very few companies who are geared for this kind of manufacturing since everyone so far has been using copper for the past umpteen years

    That's completely untrue. For most of the history of the semiconductor industry, aluminium has been used, because the manufacturing process for copper was much more difficult. Copper has only recently become commonplace.

    changing over to this kind of manufacturing will be a massive capital investment for a company, especially the companies in the East (asia not new york) where are a lot of these chips/boards are made

    Changing to new manufacturing processes is a fact of life in the semiconductor industry and happens regularly. It always requires massive capital investment, yet somehow, they seem to manage (see above).

    there are AFAIK no companies that make nanotubes in sufficient quantity and quality to feed the demand for the tubes at the moment

    There are also no companies which manufacture nano scale copper wires for routing layers on ICs. This is because it's not done that way. Once you have a process for growing carbon nano-tubes on chips, you just have make it cost effective - just like any other semiconductor manufacturing technology.

    unless you are a gamer home computers are more than fast enough now for what we want (internet/email/minor word processing) this kind of tech will only benefit the "Power User" community..

    There's no amount of processing power that the desktop software industry will not be able to squander.

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  8. IBM pioneered Carbon Nanotubing by olePigeon+(Wik) · · Score: 5, Informative

    As reported in the April 27 (2001) issue of the journal Science, IBM researchers have built the world's first array of transistors out of carbon nanotubes -- tiny cylinders of carbon atoms that measure about 10 atoms across, are 500 times smaller than today's silicon-based transistors and are 1,000 times stronger than steel. The breakthrough bypasses the slow process of manipulating individual nanotubes one-by-one, and is more suitable for a future manufacturing process. Story is here.

  9. More info on their research on carbon tubes.. by cOdEgUru · · Score: 3, Informative

    Google points to here

    Also the interview mentions the fact that in October 2002, it was still in basic research form and could take as much as a couple of years to production and maybe a bit more for commercial purposes.

    But that still bodes well for us since Silicon will tide us through another 10 good years.

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  10. IBM pioneered Carbon Nanotubing led to pixie dust by adzoox · · Score: 2, Informative

    This led to their creation of "pixie dust" which has enabled notebook hard drive capacities to rise. They found unique magnetic properties of "glass" when manipulating compounds on a molecular level.

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  11. That's all nice, but ... by DaneelGiskard · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... processors are not the bottleneck in any way. They are already so fast that buses, caches and memory have a very hard time to keep up, not speeking about secondary or even tertiary memory at all. That's the real bottleneck these days, the buses to the caches and the caches/memory itself. Most of you know how many processor cycles are lost if some data cannot be pulled out of the cache, but must be pulled out of the memory or even the harddisk (we are speaking about millions of ns's here...).

    So I'd like to see some evolutionary/revolutionary inventions in these sectors, rather than making cpu's even faster and making the bottleneck of buses, caches and memories even larger...

  12. Group IV elements by AlpineR · · Score: 3, Informative
    Good thought. The crystal structure of a silicon wafer is the same as a carbon diamond. Germanium, too, routinely grows in a diamond structure. But carbon also forms graphite, which is a sheetlike structure. Carbon nanotubes are essentially rolled up graphite sheets. But silicon and germanium are not stable in sheet structures, so they can't roll into nanotubes.

    However, intense research of carbon is what led to the discovery of buckyballs and nanotubes. Perhaps there other cool forms of silicon which are yet to be discovered.

    On a different topic, how do the NASA researchers propose to connect the nanotubes in a useful way? I can understand growing the tubes on a silicon wafer and filling in the surrounding space, but this just produces a bunch of parallel wires not a designed circuit.

    AlpineR

  13. Re:royalties by ShavenYak · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are mistaken. According to the IRS (who should know), in 2001 individual income tax accounted for over $1 trillion in revenue. Corporate income taxes accounted for less than $200 billion.

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  14. Re:How good conductors? by wass · · Score: 2, Informative

    yeah, that value didn't include contact resistance. but there are losses in the tube itself. carriers aren't purely ballistic (maybe theoretically but not in our samples). We also couldn't be certain if we truly had single-walled tubes, they could have been ropes. Whether metallic or semiconducting can be determined by noting R decreasing at low T.

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  15. Not quite by dcmeserve · · Score: 3, Informative
    NASA has come up with a way to wire microchips with nanotubes instead of copper interconnects.

    If you read the article closely, you'll see it's not talking about about replacing all copper interconnect on the chip -- only a small portion, in fact: the vias. The carbon nanotube are being used only for the interconnect between metal layers, not between devices on the chip in general.

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