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Former DoubleClick Exec Named Privacy Czar

tsu doh nimh writes "A former executive for banner ad giant DoubleClick has been selected to be the first ever privacy czar for the Department of Homeland Security, says this Washingtonpost.com story." Just leaves you speechless ....

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  1. Asking the burglar to guard the house by dtolton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In a related move Osama Bin Laden has been appointed as the
    first ever Terror Czar. Bin Laden was not immediately available
    for comment.

    From the article it sounds like this post will be more of a
    public relations position than anything. Rather than appointing
    someone who worked for a company notorious for trampling
    people's privacy rights, IMO they should have appointed someone
    who has a record of protecting an upholding our right to
    privacy. Had they appointed someone with that type of track
    record maybe the cabinet could have had an honest dialogue about
    privacy rights in general, rather than simply a discussion about
    how to phrase the wording of a news release so it doesn't freak
    out the privacy rights groups.

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    1. Re:Asking the burglar to guard the house by Amiga+Trombone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rather than appointing someone who worked for a company notorious for trampling people's privacy rights, IMO they should have appointed someone who has a record of protecting an upholding our right to privacy.

      That's a little harsh. After all, DoubleClick hired her to address the complaints that were coming from users. Her job was to help DoubleClick clean up their act. She isn't the worst possible choice.

    2. Re:Asking the burglar to guard the house by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Her job was to help DoubleClick clean up their act.

      No, her job was to help DoubleClick look like they were cleaning up their act.

      In other words, she's the perfect choice for an administration that wants to look like they're respecting people's privacy.

  2. Is this really that ludicrous? by Snowspinner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before the huge storm of criticism starts, let's ask ourselves:

    How would this be different from hiring Kevin Mitnick to handle security issues?

    The we like Kevin Mitnick more than we like ad agencies is not sufficient grounds for an objection. What I want to know is, why shouldn't we hire knowledgable people away from doing what we don't want, and into doing what we do want?

  3. Why's this bad? by MojoMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:

    "She joined DoubleClick in February 2000 after the Federal Trade Commission launched an investigation into complaints that the company was improperly storing and sharing private user data. DoubleClick also was embroiled in similar investigations by 12 state attorneys general and several class-action lawsuits.

    DoubleClick settled most of those lawsuits, and created a division specializing in privacy compliance, which O'Connor Kelly ran. "


    Sounds to me like some changes were make by O'Connor Kelly and privacy was improved. I'd say it takes a pretty strong person to go into a company as deep in it as Double Click and improve it.

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  4. Did the editors even read the article? by devphil · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Of course they didn't.

    The privacy rights community generally views O'Connor Kelly as a consensus builder[...]

    "One of the things we liked (about her job) at DoubleClick was that she worked hard to build relationships with the privacy community and to vet their new policies with these groups,"

    But hey, it's the /. editor's professional duty to not pay attention to any positive side of the story.

    The story later mentions the infamous Total Awareness Office, and notes that "Congress said it will suspend funding for the Defense Department project unless the administration can demonstrate that it will not violate constitutional privacy rights." Naturally, that runs counter to the /. rule that "every privacy-related story must be in alarmist mode" so the editors always reject my submissions regarding Congress' threat to put TIA on hold.

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  5. Anyone have more details? by aengblom · · Score: 4, Insightful
    She joined DoubleClick in February 2000 after the Federal Trade Commission launched an investigation into complaints that the company was improperly storing and sharing private user data. ...
    DoubleClick settled most of those lawsuits, and created a division specializing in privacy compliance, which O'Connor Kelly ran.
    Anyone have more details about what her involvement was here. From this article, I'm not sure I can jump to the conclusion that she's evil. Just curious, this certainly makes you think anyway.
    Thanks for answers! ;-)
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  6. Privacy Czar? by Ryu2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even the title of Privacy Czar for the Homeland Security department seems oxymoronic. Isn't the direction the USA is taking with Homeland Security towards giving up your privacy rights, with all these new laws passed?

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  7. Come on now people. by Geekenstein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once again, we have another /. double standard. How many times have I watched people here applaud when a former cracker gets appointed to a top position in security?

    But God Forbid someone who knows the ins and outs of privacy abuses, a person who would know BEST how to protect against them, gets the chance to do so. They're evil and will always be evil!

  8. Re:No, she sounds like a great choice. by sdavid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your point is well taken, and she may well have been effective at improving Doubleclick's behaviour. However that doesn't change the fact that she comes from an industry that uses private information for their own profit. No matter how personally beyond reproach she may be, she's still a wolf amoung sheep.

  9. I dont WANT a consensus builder in that job! by alispguru · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Consensus" is what got us into the current privacy mess! The current "compromise" on most personal financial data is that data holders have to tell you what their sharing policy is (in dense legalese text which usually has "we will share with basically anybody who will pay us for it" buried in it) and give you the chance to "opt out".

    If the regulations had been made with consumers in mind at all, the default would have been to not share data and to only allow sharing when people opt-in. This would make private data a liability rather than an asset.

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    1. Re:I dont WANT a consensus builder in that job! by Taldo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Having a 'consensus builder' in this job would be a good thing. EXCEPT that the other side has no valid or legitimate position.

      I refuse to accept a consensus with evil.

      How about we come to a 'consensus' with spammers? 'Well we'll only send you ads we think you want.'

      How about with abortion clinic bombers? 'Well we'll be more careful about which buildings we bomb.'

      How about with technophobes? 'Well... you can research this but you can't do any actual experiments or release actual products.'

      Let's not just have a knee-jerk reaction that 'consensus is good.' It isn't always. Consensus is good when it accomodates people who have reasonable goals and expectations. The Gestapo doesn't fall under this category.

  10. Not so crazy... by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least "the Hedgehog" wouldn't tell poor people with 10 kids in countries with 40% HIV infection that using condoms is a sin.

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  11. Re:RTFA by feed_me_cereal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just finished reading the article, and I had simmilar feelings, but perhaps not to the extent of yours. The article doesn't say she neccesarily "cleaned up" DoubleClick, or that she was hired by DoubleClick to do anything other than whitewash the company in the face of federal scrutiny. Perhaps she has been chosen to do the same for the government now? I don't really know one way or the other, all I have to rely on right now is the history of both DoubleClick and the Bush administration, neither of which are remotely good in the face of privacy. REMOTELY. All I know is, if the Bush administration is looking for a privacy advocate, there's plenty of places they can go other than DoubleClick that would make MUCH MUCH more sense. Like, say, the people who raised the suit against DoubleClick in the first place.

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  12. She's perfect for the job... by hpa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you look at the article, it's pretty obvious that her job is all about defusing criticism due to privacy concerns without actually doing anything to stop the march towards an Orwellian society. For that, she's perfect... she successfully defused public criticism about DoubleClick without significantly hampering their effort to collect every little bit of information about you.

  13. Re:Selective editorializing.... by pergamon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, its still possibly (and IMHO, probably) a problem.

    She ran cleanup, meaning she got DoubleClick out of the FTC doghouse. Her job was to save DoubleClick because they did things they shouldn't have, not to save the privacy rights of consumers.

    I sincerely doubt her position is there to protect the privacy rights of US citizens, but rather just to tell the Homeland Security Department how far they can go according to the law. If someone is trying to push through new legislation that encroaches on privacy rights, don't expect this person (in this position, not this woman in particular) to lobby to stop or even challenge it.

    To directly address the most common analogy I've seen in the comments: This is less like calling in Kevin Mitnick to help beef up security, and more like a hacker/cracker calling in Mitnick's lawyer to advise him on ways to stay out of trouble even though his goal is still to try to get away with hacking into systems.

  14. Re:Kevin Mitnick by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ... or like hiring Kevin Mitnick as a security

    I assume you mean a computer or electronics security post? I would most certainly consider him an excellent candidate for the job. He simultaneously understands how bad security is, the potentially disastrous consequences that has, and more than most anyone else, the need to keep tech-law legislation and enforcement grounded on _this_ side of reality.

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  15. Yes, totally ludicrous by apankrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How would this be different from hiring Kevin Mitnick to handle security issues?

    Very different. Hacking and security is all about an *expertise*, which ultimately defines the quality of the work at the end of the day. In the privacy domain though the foundation is different - it's all about a *position*, the position of unconditional respect for individual privacy.

    I seriously doubt one can suddenly develop such a respect if she was knowingly affiliated with doubleclick in the past. Too bad.

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  16. Re:RTFA by phyxeld · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You raise valid points.

    Considering the number of convicted criminals appointed to important offices lately, it's difficult to believe anything that the administration does is in the public's best interest. I hope your suspicions are incorrect in this case, but I fear they're probably not. Time will tell...

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  17. Re:No, she sounds like a great choice. by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All industries use private information for their own profit. Who would you suggest they use?

    Someone anti-industry, like Ralph Nader

  18. You're missing a *very* important point by jtheory · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read the exact same paragraph and it *confirmed* my concerns.

    Look at this in perspective: DoubleClick is a huge organization that is having serious problems with lawsuits because it's trampling all over people's privacy. They bring in O'Connor Kelly, who does a good job settling *most* of the lawsuits (note: settling != defeating) and starts a new division to help keep DoubleClick safe from future lawsuits. DoubleClick continues to do as much data-mining and collection as it possibly can (because that's STILL the core of its business) but now it avoids most of the unpleasant and costly public lawsuits.

    Now substitute "the US Govt" for "DoubleClick". Fits pretty well, doesn't it? It doesn't sound *too* bad... until you consider that they're still planning on doing as much privacy invasion as they can possibly get away with... she'll just help them walk that wavy line.

    Think about the difference if the new privacy advisor were, say, one of the "12 state attorneys general" who were prosecuting DoubleClick, or someone involved in the "several class-action lawsuits" from the other side. Or ANYONE who had privacy advocacy experience from the victims' side.

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  19. Re:Depends on the point of view... by zaphod123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In case you missed your history classes, the US "Founding Fathers" didn't trust government. In fact, they felt that government was not trustworthy.
    That is why there was the attempt to put all the checks and balances in place.

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  20. Quick Question... by Kintanon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is this any different from AT&T hiring someone who hacks their network to be in charge of their security?
    It seems that hiring someone who is good at compromising the system that is protecting you to make that system better is one of the things that the "geek" community recommends. How does this differ? The company she ran was good at compromising peoples privacy so who would better know how to protect that privacy?
    Any argument you use against her can equally be applied to someone who compromises the network security of a business and is then hired by them.

    Kintanon

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