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The Rise and Fall of Napster

Jedi Paramedic writes "Boston.com has an interesting story about the rise and fall of everyone's favorite file-swapping service. Also the subject of a new book by Joseph Menn, the story goes into great detail about the unfortunate-but-heroic Shawn Fanning and his reluctance to admit that his uncle, who in the end masterminded little more than the lining of his own pockets, had taken advantage of him. From getting screwed in the original 70/30 split with his uncle to his uncle's refusal to loosen his iron grip on the company even at the expense of its very being, the article (and the book) go a long way in chronicling the rise and fall of Napster, and crediting Shawn for not airing the family's dirty laundry. An interesting and well-written read."

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  1. Good technolgy, bad media by Blaine+Hilton · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its too bad Napster had to do music sharing. The technology between P2P networks pionered by Napster was something though. This type of network along with open souce and GPL software, along with MD5 checksums could be a great combination.

    1. Re:Good technolgy, bad media by chrisnojima · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is a speed vs security issue here. It's not that important for these crypto techniques to be unbreakable, it just needs to be hard enough to make sure no one bothers messing with a bunch of files. This is why MD4 is such a good hash to use. It's quick and reasonably secure.

  2. Amazon Reviews by paulychamp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The two "spotlight reviews" on Amazon are interesting.

  3. Excuse my ignorance... by dotgod · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can anyone explane how Napster made money? AFAIR there were no ads on the site or in the client (save the cdnow link that was in later versions of napster). It obviously made some kind of money, however, because I remember hearing about how Shawn Fanning made a lot of money.

    1. Re:Excuse my ignorance... by Juanvaldes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Venture Capitalists greedy bastards dumped millions into the company, I'm sure Fanning got some of it. Later on I believe they started selling shirts, I got one at OZ-fest, and some manager person came up and started yelling at the lady who gave them to us because they were supposed to sell them. After he left she gave away the rest of the shirts.

    2. Re:Excuse my ignorance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You are excused.

      What if the music industry had purchased napster and released their full catalogs for free but ripped at a low bit rate say 96kb and then offer a pay version for the same data but ripped at a 320kb rate. No one could have competed because they would of had the depth of inventory. Lost opportunities. They went the other way and crushed Napster and they totally lost it by not having something to pick up the slack. Where did they think that the Napster users were going to turn when an option (Kazaa, Bearshare, et al) arrived. Lost opportunities.

  4. Re:sure... by iCEBaLM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was there before napster, especially on IRC, napster just brought it to the masses with a pretty interface. If napster didn't do it another program would have. The idea and technology were already there, napster didn't really do anything innovative that wasn't already happening.

    -- iCEBaLM

  5. Re:Shawn Fanning was heroic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You're right. It more like someone using your patent to build widgets, then not paying you a licensing fee.

  6. Re:Who is everyone? by bakawally · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Audiogalaxy was doomed to failure from the start though. It used their website to show which files were available. In essence it ended up becoming a warez site.

  7. Re:Who is everyone? by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "men. I would be WAY more than willing to shell out $20 a month to have AG running the way it used to. The fact that it was "set and forget" was the best thing going for it. I never liked Napster either, but AG did it right. Too bad the record companies are too stupid to see a VIABLE SOURCE OF INCOME when they see one. Dipshits. "

    For $10 a month you could use Listen.com. As long as ya pay that, you have access to any song of their library. plus playlists etc. It's like a server-side MP3 locker, only they're all there. Click a song and you're listening to it within moments instead of having to wait for it to download. (then it caches so it's not like you go through that every time...)

    Not a bad deal. It's not quite perfect in that you don't get to keep the compressed version and it's Windows only. Oh well, it's not for everybody. Still, $10 is less than one CD per month.

    I'm thinking about writing up a review of it for Slashdot, but I'm concerned about whether there'd be any interest in it.

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    "Derp de derp."
  8. Re:sure... by yellowstone · · Score: 3, Interesting
    [file sharing] was there before napster, especially on IRC, napster just brought it to the masses with a pretty interface.
    Don't minimize the importance of mass popularity. Having the ability to do something (like share files across the internet) is one thing. Having it become popular across a large population, to the point it changes the way people think about intellectual property is quite different, and far more powerful.
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  9. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  10. you need ot lay of the faulty analagies by Vitriolix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "So if I hire you and allow you to work for me for two weeks, but then deny you a paycheck, I haven't stolen anything from you, have I?" this is not theft, its breach of contract. major distinction.

  11. Re:Technology Abused, Good Media, and Misconceptio by edbarrett · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Furthurnet has (twice? three times?) removed all Phish shares because some moron put up a disc or two Phish was selling from their website. Everything on it is supposed to come from tapers trading shows where the bands authorize audience taping. Some good stuff, lotsa hippies.

  12. IRC by SageLikeFool · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Nobody remembers IRC?!? People were downloading (and even trading) files on various IRC networks long before ICQ and Napster were around. Sometimes within IRC itself using DCC and XDCC bots, but mostly by using FTP in conjunction I believe. Sure the scale was different (as were the bandwidth and file sizes), but file trading didn't orignate with mp3's and wasn't pioneered by Napster or ICQ.

    Sure, both were innovative but I doubt either would exist as the did/do now if it wasn't for IRC coming first. To an end user Napster was little more than an IRC network that gave file sharing priority over group chatting. ICQ is IRC with a foundation of individual chat instead of group chat.

    Though that may be an oversimplification.