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Developing PC's for the Legally Blind?

Jon asks: "My father is legally blind, to the point of not being able to see more then just a vague shadow, if even that. His one hope has always been to use a computer. I've decided to build him a PC that would allow him to send and receive email as well as read the weather to him, yet not require any voice recognition. Input would be done by showing him where certain function keys are and possible putting special marks he can learn on the rest of the keys. Has any of the slashdot readers tackeled a project like this before? I've seen several projects, yet none that seem like a good solution, or are not complete. Any insight you have would be greatly appreciated."

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  1. Re:No voice recognition? by Smidge204 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    probably because Voice recognition isn't all that reliable. Guy gets a headcold or answers the phone and suddenly things don't work all that well.

    I'm kinda thinking if there would be some way to make a brail "Screen" of some sort. A large array of pixels that could be raised and lowered to form brail markings and possibly other shaped (like boxes to outline function buttons and prompts).

    Not really in the realm of do-it-yourself projects... at least not easily or cheaply... but should be possible somehow!
    =Smidge=

  2. Screen readers by JasonMaggini · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have worked on a computer that had screen readers installed for a user that was legally blind. It would read everything on the screen. "Mozilla. Title Bar. Slashdot. File Menu. File. Edit.." etc. Seemed like it would take a lot of concentration.
    XP has some sort of narrator program built in, I believe.

  3. I have a client with similar needs... by MrIcee · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I've a client in his 70's. I submitted a similar slashdot article a couple weeks ago, but specific to voice recognition.

    My client is literally blind in that all he can see are vague shapes. He is also a hard-core smoker and his voice is fairly inconsistant.

    He uses JAWS which is a program that reads information on the screen. I find it terribly annoying but he likes it's functionality.

    He wanted voice input... and I called a number of vendors including IBM's voice project etc... but all of them said NO GOOD for nearly blind users as the training sessions are very long and involved and the user has to READ the screen (impossible).

    He received a few weeks ago a flyer about the QPOINTER software product. This product is fairly new and not much is out there. I contacted the company and they said training was fairly short (15 minutes or so). I inquired if I could print out the training sessions and they (very nicely I might add) had their programmers send me the training sessions as text files. I printed them out in 2-inch high Arial Black letters on paper (29 pages worth) and brought them over and said "can you read these" and he said "nope". Great... but we installed the software anyway. The training system allowed me to pause so I would pause it, read a couple words to him and then un-pause and he would repeat them. We trained for about 3 hours and indeed it would open up the browser for him, etc. One problem was that he couln't read the visual cues that QPOINTER pops up - but by placing things in a KNOWN order I was able to get him around that.

    However, when it came time to entering URL's etc... we were only able to get about 10% accuracy from the program - mainly due to the fact that his voice, after years of smoking, is terribly inconsistant. We retrained for a couple of hours on another day but to no improvement. Thus - we scrapped the voice input idea since he would have no idea if it recognized words and letters correctly or not.

    At this point, frustrated, I realized that since I can type totally with MY eyes closed, he should be able to as well. Unfortunatly, he doesn't know how to type - but his wife used to be a typing instructor so... I went out and purchased him the ergonomic MS keyboard (the one with the huge split down the middle). I did this because that keyboard makes finding the proper keys easier due to the split (you don't need to hunt for the raised bump). His wife is currently going to try to teach him to type, and once he gets that down I'm going to go over the special key functions and try to make it work for him.

    This is an area ripe for development. As us geeks get older we will encounter the same problems and we WILL demand a solution. Voice recognition is great, but it doesn't work except as a productivity enhancement (e.g., you still need to be able to read). A bigger screen would not help because no matter how big the letters are, he can't read them. Same for a head-up display. And voice input on a system that is ALSO doing voice output provides it's own set of problems (solved currently by using a headset mic).

    Good luck - and let us know if you will, how this went for you!!

    Aloha

    1. Re:I have a client with similar needs... by Calmiche · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, before reading this article, I hadn't even thought about applying this type of technology to myself. Thanks for the eye opener MrIcee. But it is true. As we get older, this type of technology is going to become all to personal. I should really have considered it before, since I'm near sighted with over 13 points of loss so far. (If my glasses weren't this new carbon stuff, my glasses would be a little short of a 1/2 inch thick on the edges.)

      Anyway, the first thing that came to mind was a vision of Sneakers, a movie from 1992, that included David Strathairn as Whistler, who was visually impaired. He read Playboy in Braille, and had a great box that let him read what was on the computer screen. It's not quite the same but I found something that can do the same thing. http://www.deafblind.com/display.html Unfortunately, these refreshable Braille displays are EXTREMELY expensive. I've been finding prices of about $5,000 to $12,000. They are also prone to breaking down.

      By the way, does anyone know how hard it is to learn Braille? I've never tried. Is it something I should do now, while younger, or is it easy enough that I shouldn't worry until I go blind?

      I also found a couple of solutions.. There is a company that sells both large print keyboards, http://hooleon.com/prod-vis.htm and Braile keyboards http://hooleon.com/prod-braille.htm. (Or you can get them both.)

      I also found a couple of software packages that seem to be pretty common for reading text out loud off computer screens.

      IBM Home Page Reader http://www-3.ibm.com/able/hpr.html
      pwWebSpeak http://www.soundlinks.com/pwgen.htm
      Jaws http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jaws .asp

      And last, but not least, since I am a bibliophile, I had to find some Braille e-books for download. http://library.utah.gov/web-braille.html But you have to be blind to sign up for the service.

  4. XP And The Legally Blind by LiQiuD · · Score: 3, Informative

    We have 3 developers that are currently legally blind, and they all have a special wrist-rest that has braile on it as well as a screen scraper (Jaws with the XP Narrator) and this seems to work for them...one catch, your video card must work with Jaws, alot of them don't...as for the keyboard, there are always little marks on f and j, teach him to find the rest of the keys from there. If that doesn't work, i have seen a few braille keyboards out there, but not sure where to get them... Feel free to email me to discuss this more - liqiud@havenbbs.com

  5. how is his braille? by not-quite-rite · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are a number of manufacturers that sell stick on caps for the keys. This allows people to convert an ordinary keyboard into a braille keyboard.

    see here:

    http://www.speedskin.com/html/home.asp

    Pretty damn useful. As for screenreaders, JAWS is alright, though all screenreaders are painful to use...

    I am currently working on a database of accessibility technology for those with print disabilities etc, so if you would like more info or you have info to share please email me

    luvgnu 'at' hotmail.com

    Good luck now!

  6. Neat, but pre-built. by GiMP · · Score: 2, Informative

    This isn't about building a computer, but rather a pre-built computer running Linux. It can also be used to access a Windows machine as a keyboard, but it can run independantly.

    http://www.papenmeier.de/reha/products/elbae.htm
    You can find one on sale here, although they don't seem to have the Qwerty version:
    http://www.tvi-web.com/products/elba.htm l

    Yes, it is painfully expensive.. but it is certainly a 'niche' item.

  7. Re:No voice recognition? by TC+(WC) · · Score: 2, Informative

    They actually make braille 'displays'. They're rather neat.

    Here's a useful link

  8. Re:No voice recognition? by Oriumpor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lets Start from the top. I really enjoy helping my visually impared friend use his computer (he doesn't NEED my help to use it regularly, but to install things he is unfamiliar with, or set up things which involve heavy Direct X it helps to have someone who can see the screen.)

    Now, I haven't set him up with an audio linux box yet, mostly because I can't get parts together. But I have heard that someone has made a mod for quake (or was it doom) that let you use it in an audio only mode.

    Braille "displays" exist today, but are expensive.
    As to keyboard markings and such almost every keyboard I have today has raised bars or dots on F and J, sombody thought it was funny to put them on D and K on my first keyboard so in the dark at times I forget where the keys are.

    When I watch a blind person use a keyboard, (ITS BETTER TO USE A NORMAL ONE) they start by centering themselves on the keys, and if they have to find an uncommon key the gaps between the different types of keys help in sightless recognition.

    ALSO almost any screen reader can be set up to say EVERY letter you type (T Y P E, TYPE.) So if you misplace your hand for a second you can move it back to where it needs to be.

    If he is visually impared and physically handicapped in some way the issue may be more difficult, in that case a speech recognition system would probably pay off. But from the sounds of it a regular keyboard (possibly with bars on F and J instead of dots) works well.

    Horribly so, I would reccomend a MS/Internet Pro keyboard as you can program things like mail etc and that's not to difficult to use while sightless. (count the buttons from the left etc.)

    Whatever you do, for his personal computer get several copies of the same keyboard in case one breaks (2-3.)

    University Libraries have computers that are accessible by the visually impared AND in some cases even some of the labs as well.

    Jaws/Window Eyes are 2 of the *only* programs available for windows users, the brlspk linux distro I have never tried, and would like to test the usability of. I regularly use festival for personal uses (and for making book.txts into mp3s) and from my experience with Festival/Viavoice I would say it's indeed possible to have an easy to use linux distro... so I should probably buckle down and try out brlspk

    If you really want to get a Braille display then you should really shell out the cash (they have already been tested thoroughly and are in most cases warranteed for many years.)

  9. Computers for the blind by skwirlmaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I work at a computer lab at my school that is geared toward the disabled. We have a few blind students who use the systems. Mostly they use a program called JAWS, that is a screen reader. Using key combinations they are able to navigate the screen with pretty good results. As far as marking the keys goes, we have braille stickers over the keys. I beleive there is a GNU/Linux solution out there... BrailleSpeake I believe. It is a distro for the blind, you would probably have to set it up. It comes with a screen reader and built in support for touch devices. I hope this helps

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  10. Re:Insight? by cathouse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope that a few items that have made things work for me will help-I've got one foot in each camp, so to speak, as a result of a detached retina in my right[dominant] eye which was notable to be surgically repaired well enough to give me any better than [corrected] about 20/85 in that eye, which is just shy of the 'legaly-blind' mark. My other eye has full function, with fully correctable presbyopia [that's the $2 word for post 30 far-sighted] Money has been in very short supply for the three years I've been dealing with this situation, so these are all either free or damn cheap. 1} Just 'good' lighting ain't enough. My desk lights are a Luxo ring-light/magnifier [go for quality here-it matters] witha cool-white tube; and an overhead halogen about 2 feet above the keyboard controled by a variac. A dimmer would do, but being able to kick the voltage to the little spot [one of the 2-pin bulbs about 1 inch long-100 W] UP to140 volts is the edge I sometimes need! 2] Ive got two monitors going-both CRT. A Princeton Graphics 17 inch and a Sony 19 inch 500PS Trinotron which I use for text. Good contrast is the critical factor here-not excessive. If it's not right here, exhausting on top of useless is a really lousy combination! I'm still experimenting with fonts: right now I'm using Andale Mono and News Gothic Condensed, both of which I think came with Windows 98SE. [$$] 3] The best keyboard I've found in the cheap/free catagory is the KeyTronics 101/301. Good feel, positive both in feel and sound and with keyws that seem 'better spaced' than most. I haven't had the chance to try any of the big-key types and [Dei Gra] get by without. 4] The Kensington Expert Mouse Pro trackball is the thing that makes it all come together and work for me--4 BIG buttons and a big comfortable ball and the MouseWorks [a little frustrating at first, but NOT buggy] beats all hell out of that Microsoft abortion that I've mercifly forgotten the name of. The magnifier that comes with the ATI HYDRAVISION is MUCH better than the windows Accessability [HA!] version, but I have no idea if it will work with any other video cards. I hope my half[not assed] experiances are of help to you and your father and to...?

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