New Terminator 3 Trailer Released

lets hope by REBloomfield · 2003-04-23 21:52 · Score: 2, Insightful

the story doesn't get ruined by too much plot leakage. T2 would have been great if you didn't know that arnie was the good guy.....

Re:lets hope by blancolioni · 2003-04-23 22:02 · Score: 4, Funny

Somehow I managed to be unaware of Arnie's nature before I saw the movie (I must have been spending less time on the internet back then), so the part where he says "Get down" was brilliant.

It was strange that the marketing didn't try to keep it a secret, since the movie itself went to some trouble to make things ambiguous.

In other news, it appears that even killer she-bots from the future like to keep their modesty intact with carefully positioned hair. I think that's funny.
Re:lets hope by blancolioni · 2003-04-24 01:04 · Score: 4, Funny

Sometimes I think it's because our American friends aren't ready for naked women yet

So how do they make new Americans then?
Re:lets hope by reverseengineer · 2003-04-24 08:04 · Score: 2, Funny

"the damn americans are over sexed over paid and over here!"
To which the appropriate reply was, "The English are undersexed, underpaid, and under Eisenhower!"

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Apple has done wonders! by aarondyck · 2003-04-23 21:53 · Score: 4, Funny

Isn't it great that we have a company like Apple Computer that will publish (freely, I might add) trailers for movies? In a time when we see an increasing push to capitalize on every possible stream of revenue it makes me happy to see a single company that puts something on the market for free...of course, if you don't have their proprietary software, you're screwed...

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Re:Apple has done wonders! by Saeger · 2003-04-23 22:11 · Score: 3, Insightful

Yeah, it certainly is nice of Apple not to charge for their movie advertisements. I feel so guilty not paying for the hype.
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Re:Apple has done wonders! by NeMon'ess · 2003-04-23 22:13 · Score: 2, Interesting

Its also too bad not all trailers are savable. Sometimes I have to root through the browser cashe, and sometimes it still isn't anywhere to be found. Yes I tell quicktime to cashe whenever possible. Anyone know how I can save any quicktime movie from a page? I remember the years before apple.com hosted the trailers and there were sites devoted to serving trailers. These sites had no problem letting me save the trailers.
Re:Apple has done wonders! by Saeger · 2003-04-23 22:16 · Score: 5, Informative

A certain Anonymous Coward already pointed out that you just have to view the HTML source and then prefix the letter 'm' before the resolution in the filename. (Or you can pay for the Pro version, which lets you Save As...)
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Re:Apple has done wonders! by Tha_Zanthrax · 2003-04-23 22:34 · Score: 2, Insightful

this makes no sense.
sure it's free! why should you pay for getting advertisements?
Re:Apple has done wonders! by Jon+Abbott · 2003-04-24 00:50 · Score: 2, Informative

In addition to the aforementioned "m" trick, you can also find a copy of the movie in "/tmp/501/Temporary Items" if you are running OS X. It only stores it there while the Quicktime plugin is still loaded though, so be sure to load the video in your browser, then you can copy the file from that directory. Also, you must use Terminal to get to that directory, as Finder hides "/tmp" from view.

The filename will be QTPluginTemp[random numbers], with no extension. Just "mv filename ~/t3.mov" or "cp filename ~/t3.mov" to get it into your home directory.

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Re:Apple has done wonders! by alernon · 2003-04-24 02:35 · Score: 3, Interesting

Yeah, I hate downloading that free version of their software to watch a movie that can be played on almost any platform. Now, I don't have a linux box, but it's been pointed out by several people on slashdot that there is software available that will play quicktime movies for those boxes.

I'm so sick of seeing comments like this whenever a new movie trailer comes out. Its quicktime because its on Apples effin site and its a good way to promote quicktime technologies which they would like to see adopted because its their job to make effin money. If you don't like quicktime then /don't watch the trailer/. Jeez, you people act like their taking away your first amendment rights.

T3 by mrpuffypants · 2003-04-23 21:56 · Score: 3, Insightful

I really want to see this movie do well and be engaging for the audience...Arnold's lost a lot of his power to newcomers like Vin Diesel, and I think that a new Terminator Movie done right could smack thme across the face and say:

this is how and action movie should be made

still, though....I'm a lot more excited about the matrixes than T3 :)

Well then by carcosa30 · 2003-04-23 21:56 · Score: 5, Funny

It certainly appears to fulfill its gatling gun quota.

I wasn't sure what kind of flick this was going to be, like the original poster said I thought it was going to be a bit of a retread... but if a movie has gatling guns it automatically makes it about twice as good. Look at Predator for example.

Or maybe it's just me...

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Re:Well then by forged · 2003-04-23 23:15 · Score: 2, Interesting

Let's not forget the scene in Predator where Arnie and friends deforest all around them ! Longest gatling shooting scene I can remember :)
Re:Well then by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-24 04:15 · Score: 2, Insightful

Correction: Quake had the same spiral from Eraser.
Re:Well then by NanoGator · 2003-04-24 04:35 · Score: 4, Funny

".. but if a movie has gatling guns it automatically makes it about twice as good. Look at Predator for example.

Or maybe it's just me... "

It's just you. The rest of us saw the naked chick.

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Re:Bitorrent by gl4ss · 2003-04-23 21:59 · Score: 4, Insightful

hey, come on, apples servers don't get hit that bad usually(ever) when a new trailer hits, at least for long enough to getting it to torrent.

currently the servers were fast enough to watch it straight, streaming(large, their server fast enough to push 700kb/s to finland..), so no real worries there.

plus, it's t3, not matrix..

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Ya... I dunno.... by Nogami_Saeko · 2003-04-23 22:04 · Score: 4, Insightful

No Jim Cameron, no Linda Hamilton...

We'll see, but I don't have my hopes too high...

Gonna wait and see what the reviews are like before I shell out.

N.

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Re:Ya... I dunno.... by 1u3hr · 2003-04-24 05:37 · Score: 2, Insightful

I would like to see a terminatrix look like she can possibly kick ass....not look all soft and all...unless that's just the id she chose at the time
Since she's a robot and doesn't have muscles in the meat sense, it's clear that looking either soft or hard is no more than decoration.

Re:I only wonder by Dionysus · 2003-04-23 22:04 · Score: 5, Informative

Probably this one

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Direct Link... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-23 22:06 · Score: 5, Informative

Here's a direct link to the large version:

T3-international-tlr_m480.mov

You can do this yourself for the other trailers by viewing the pagesource and putting the letter 'm' before the resolution number.

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Re:Direct Link... by Pathwalker · 2003-04-23 23:39 · Score: 4, Informative

As an afterthought, if anyone wants to see the decompiled version of the reference file (to see what it checks for and what it does) I've put a decompiled version here.

Basically, it checks for old versions of QuickTime (anything before 5.0.2) and redirects them to a page telling them that they need to upgrade. Versions 5.02 and later are allowed through to the movie.
Re:Direct Link... by Pathwalker · 2003-04-24 00:48 · Score: 5, Interesting

Ok - when you look at the page, you want to find the EMBED tag that holds the movie, so try the following command:
curl http://www.apple.com/trailers/columbia/charliesang elsfullthrottle/large_trailer.html | grep EMBED
Looking at the embed tag, you will see that it references two quick time movies, one as a SRC argument, and one as a HREF argument. If both are given, you want the HREF, otherwise, you want the SRC.
here is the link from the HREF option. It is the reference file for the movie.

Now, download it and run strings on it. You will see several instances of "url" on one line, and a url on the next line. These are the movies that the reference movie points to. Almost always, the first several will be to inform users that they have too old of a version of quick time (they usually have a quicktime version embedded in the name. ) skip over them.

at the end of the file, you will see this: ca2_fullthrottle-tlr_m480.mov - that is the relative path to the real movie file.

Take the URL for the reference file, and replace ca2_fullthrottle-tlr_481.mov with ca2_fullthrottle-tlr_m480.mov, and you will have this - the url for the actual movie data file.

This technique should work, even if Apple changes their convention of just adding a m before the size of the movie, to indicate the real file.

This also only works if the movie is being served over http. If it is over rtsp, you will need some extra tools.

I hope this helps. If you get confused, here is a decompiled version of the reference file, so that you can see in plain text what all of the embedded urls are for.

Hold the presses by buyo-kun · 2003-04-23 22:09 · Score: 2, Funny

I call for an law suit against this movie, for cruelty to the time-space continuum and Artifical intellgent organisms.

Why is Flash-only a sin? by pubjames · 2003-04-23 22:14 · Score: 5, Interesting

Although it's flash only (major sin)

Why is it a "major sin" that it is Flash only?

The producers of this site wanted to make an impressive multi-media rich site to make people want to go see their film. The only way to really do that effectively is with Flash. The vast majority of people have the Flash plug-in, and won't really care (or even know) what format the site is in.

Yes, the world would be a better place if multimedia web sites could be practically developed using open tools and open file formats such as SVG. But they can't. So people use Flash. Live with it.

I still don't understand why SVG isn't default in all OSS browsers. You can complain about Flash or you can try to change the status quo. Many people in the OSS community like to complain...

Re:Why is Flash-only a sin? by El_Muerte_TDS · 2003-04-23 22:43 · Score: 2, Funny

Many people in the OSS community like to complain...
You can't always generalize everything
Re:Why is Flash-only a sin? by Bedouin+X · 2003-04-23 23:56 · Score: 5, Insightful

Because it's a "sin" in the sense of the whole point of the web to deny people content by requiring a plug in just to READ and SEE PICTURES. Some people just want to read info about the movie on their own terms without shit clicking and spinning (and SOUNDING - ARRRGH) all over the place. It would take a very small amount of time to put the contents (which on sites like this are generally relatively sparse) in a plain HTML page. Normally, once it's done it's done so there would be minimal updating required after the fact.

I went to the site and the Flash does nothing but waste time. I click on a link and it takes 20 seconds of loading animations and whiz bang bullshit to get to what I want to see. I get there and I have to strain to read it because of the tiny ass font that I would at least be able to adjust if it were HTML.

Sorry... I'll stop now.

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[Terminator Theme Song Playing] by Freston+Youseff · 2003-04-23 22:14 · Score: 5, Funny

Arnold: Come with me if you want to live.*
Jon: Let's get out of here quick! The new terminator is on her way!
Arnold: Do not worry. The new terminator is installing feminine products, this will take some time*.

*Insert proper Austrian accent for effect.

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.mov file direct link by Anonymous Coward · 2003-04-23 22:16 · Score: 2, Informative

Direct link to the movie file for poor windows sods who are stuck with the QuickTime player (14 MB) (just in case you wanted to save that to your HD for some obscure reason (read: it sucks).

Re:Link to .mov format by Trogre · 2003-04-23 23:01 · Score: 2, Informative

And yet it still doesn't work.
You need to stick an 'm' before the '480'.

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heh. by colinramsay · 2003-04-23 23:17 · Score: 5, Funny

"All military systems have been infected."

Goddamn, I *told* you to patch Outlook Express!

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I thought he melted...? by Isldeur · 2003-04-23 23:23 · Score: 2, Interesting

Can someone explain to me how Arnold is back in this one? I thought he melted himself in the last movie.

Remember? "Nowh Ie nouw wiey you kry..."

Re:Flash works in linux by dnaumov · 2003-04-23 23:23 · Score: 3, Informative

Flash works in Linux, but this quicktime 6 sorenson codec doesn't. Not only that, but they wanna stream it for extra assholicness.

This Sorenson codec most definately works with my MPlayer installation. Look into the downloads page on the MPlayer site for additional codecs (QT, Real, WMV, etc) and the MPlayer documentation on how to get them to work.

Re:Music? by sam_doshi · 2003-04-23 23:27 · Score: 2, Informative

Anyone know what the choral music that is playing during the second half of the trailer is?

Answered my own question :) It's Gothic Power by Christopher Field (was used in some of the Lord of the Rings trailers too)

Re:Bitorrent by RPoet · 2003-04-24 00:09 · Score: 2, Informative

Yes, the torrent is here.

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Re:Jeezus how much BW do these guys have by Alan+Partridge · 2003-04-24 00:38 · Score: 2

you do realise that Akamai know what they're doing, right?

and what's a mow?

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He died in the first one too... by Goonie · 2003-04-24 00:49 · Score: 2, Informative

For fsck's sake, did you even bother to follow the basic plot of the movie? Ah-nuld's character is a cyborg, made by the robots in 2029. He is identical (except for his orders) to the bad guy in the original Terminator film. The robots in 2029 presumably have a factory where they churn out Arnies by the dozen.

By the way, isn't Arnie getting a little bit old to be playing an invulnerable robot?

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Ooh by Snaller · 2003-04-24 00:50 · Score: 4, Funny

the Gattling guns aren't what makes Predator good, it's the shit-hot editing and great music combined with an Alien that doesn't speak English.

Ah com on! Arnold does speak English! (He just has a think accent :)

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Save instructions for Windows XP, IE6 by nemeosis · 2003-04-24 01:06 · Score: 2, Informative

Here are the saving instruction for Windows XP and IE6.
I downloaded the high resolution trailer, so it's about 14 MB

Here is the direct link, hopefully it hasn't expired yet.
http://a772.g.akamai.net/5/772/51/a518c4ff1125bc/1 a1a1aaa2198c627970773d80669d84574a8d80d3cb12453c02 589f25382f668c9329e0375e8178ef01f93c6f55ecc40a5178 5e65ac332a0016d/T3-international-tlr_m480.mov

If you clicked on the given link above and downloaded the trailer directly, then you can skip Step 1. Go directly to Step 3.
1. View the HTML source, search for the name "T3-internation-tlr_480.mov"
1a. Change this to "T3-internation-tlr_m480.mov"

2. You should now have the http address:
http://a772.g.akamai.net/5/772/51/a518c4ff1125bc/1 a1a1aaa2198c627970773d80669d84574a8d80d3cb12453c02 589f25382f668c9329e0375e8178ef01f93c6f55ecc40a5178 5e65ac332a0016d/T3-international-tlr_m480.mov

Open it up in a web browser, and let it your browser download the trailer.

3. Open up a command prompt.
4. Go to the location:
"C:\Documents and Settings\[USERNAME]\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\"

5. Do a "dir" search with the /a /s switches enabled. Like:
dir /a /s *.mov

6. Hopefully this will come up with something. For my system, I downloaded the high resolution trailer. So my search came up with:
"T3-international-tlr_m480[1].mov"

7. Copy this to another location on your hard drive.
copy "T3-international-tlr_m480[1].mov" C:\Temp
8. Simple as that right?

Stolen Car by moc.tfosorcimgllib · 2003-04-24 02:40 · Score: 5, Funny

I was planning on replying to this, but I just saw someone drive away in my car. They changed the plates, though.

Hopefully they will repark it and replace the plates before the police arrive, again (seventh time this week).

For the last time here's the FULL scoop by Cybrex · 2003-04-24 09:46 · Score: 2, Interesting

OK, without getting into a geek pissing contest over who the most obsessive Terminator fan in existence is, I've spent a frightening percentage of my life collecting, studying, and pondering all things Terminator. It doesn't speak well about me actually having a life, but having consumed every script rewrite, novelization, production note, and version of both films that's available to the public (as well as a bit or two that isn't), I do feel that I'm qualified to speak on this subject with some authority.

First off, there is no firmly established cannon for the Terminator series, and there are enough conflicts between differing versions of each movie to prevent one from being able to point to the movies as being the final say. With that said, the most internally consistent tellings of the Terminator story seem to be the novels by William Wisher and Randall Frakes.

Both are very close to the films, but with much more background detail and making a bit more logical sense. The T1 novel is based on the shooting script for the movie, while the T2 novel was based on a pre-production version of the script that had a couple of last-minute changes and edits before it became a shooting script- mostly for budgetary reasons and to make the final scene a bit more climactic on screen.

That having been said, here's the reason why there are multiple Arnies (in more detail than you probably ever wanted. Sorry.) :

Skynet patterns the terminators to look like normal (albeit somewhat large) humans. Whether it uses real humans as the pattern (as indicated in the "Infiltrator" novels) or makes up original designs on its own is never firmly established- probably a bit of both. Regardless, it clearly can't make them ALL look just like Schwarzenegger- it would be way too easy to spot them. (In T1, Reese mentions to Sarah that he couldn't ID the terminator until it made a move on her.)

For the sake of efficiency (and to allow Arnie to be both movies), Skynet compromised- it made 10 copies of each "flesh persona", which would then be scattered around to different locations to prevent identification of duplicates. The terminator that was sent back in the first movie was the first of it's type, leaving 9 more just like it in the vault when Skynet was shut down. The human resistance came in, grabbed the next one off of the rack, and programmed it to be John Connor's protector in the second movie. Again, this is all detailed in the T2 novel, as well as in the original script for the movie. (Originally the future war scene at the beginning was supposed to be much longer, with more exposition and featuring a few new pieces of Skynet hardware (glimpses of which can still be seen in the T2 arcade game and pinball machine), but it would've broken the budget of the already very expensive movie.)

Of course, the writers are really under no obligation to keep the story consistent for the third movie, but I certainly hope that they do so.

As a side note, in the novel they DID pull the wrecked arm out of the machinery and melt it down also. I don't recall if that was actually part of the original script or not.

As an additional side note (sorry, I'm obsessive), the full nomenclature of the Arnie/Terminators that we've seen is the Cyberdyne Systems 800 Series Model 101 Version 2.4. (Watch the deleted chip-switching scene from T2 on frame advance when he reboots and you'll see what I mean.) The 800 series refers to the basic endoskeleton type. We know that the 600 series had rubber skin, and that neither the 600 series nor the 700 series was well armored- either could be taken out with a few well-placed shotgun blasts at close range.

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Model 101 is probably just that- the hardware model version (possibly general body type), and v2.4 is most likely a software/firmware version. I don't imagine that Skynet would encode the flesh persona's ID into the BIOS, particularly since a significant percentage of endoskeletons had no flesh at all, and were simply the foot soldiers in Skynet's army.
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OK, I'm off the soap box now. I'm gonna go take my meds. ;-)

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