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Could E-Voting Cure Voter Apathy?

Bendebecker notes that The Register is saying that "A major trial is about to kick off in the UK that could help decide whether e-voting is merely a gimmick or whether it can genuinely help cure voter apathy." Voter Apathy or Flash Poll Elections? What is the lesser of 2 evils?

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  1. In a word, no! by jonathonc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The mechanism for voting will have little impact on current apathy. A significant proportion of the country doesn't vote because they have little or no faith in politicians and their constant lies, double standards, corruption and inability to keep promises. Sure, clicking a button will make it easier to vote but you're stilling voting for the same distrustful candidates.

    1. Re:In a word, no! by jasenj1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This would lead to the country being run by career bureaucrats. The newly elected people would be controlled by the support staff. And, a lot of those chosen by the lottery very likely wouldn't have the brain-power to understand what was going on.

      IMHO, politics in the USA is focused way too much at the federal level. If the local newspapers, TV news and such would cover LOCAL politics more, and local politicians had far more influence over our lives, the average citizen would feel their vote counted a whole lot more. As it is now, you constantly here how the feds are doling out money for this and that, and local & state governments line up to get their hand out. I don't think the framers of our nation intended for the Fed to be anywhere near as powerful as it is.

      I'll stop rambling now.

      - Jasen.

  2. No way by corebreech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not until we can devise a foolproof way of ensuring against voter fraud that the layperson can understand.

    Schneier makes an attempt at this but it's pretty convoluted, I'm not even sure I understand it all and I at least know a little about this kind of stuff.

    We may have to consider publishing who a person votes for. I know it goes against the grain of a longstanding tradition, but to make the protocol simple enough for the average person to understand while keeping it free of fraud may require nothing less.

  3. Really? by Shockmaster · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I disagree. I think that many people do not vote because it is simply time-consuming and does not fit into their schedule. While it will not be as simple as voting in Slashdot poll (for example), the process will be considerably simpler that going to a B&M voting booth. Compare e-filing of taxes and standard paper filing. I think that more people are now able to take a process that they previously found so difficult they had others do it for them, and now can get it done in their own home in an hour or two.

    If voting were simpler, those people disillusioned with the two bipartisan condidates might be more willing to cast their vote for a third-party candidate.

    Also, eVoting would perhaps lessen the value of the poor voter. While lazy upper/middle-class voters with home computers and Internet connections could easily vote, those without them are still unlikely to vote.

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  4. Should help by mao+che+minh · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ATM machines, online banking and credit mechanisms, and online traders made it easier for people to invest and work the stock market. Now many, many more people perform the above.

    Voter participation should likewise increase through the use of varied voting methods, including one that can be easily done from home.

  5. Voter apathy is not a problem. by praksys · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (1) Anyone who is too lazy to go to a polling station should not be voting anyway. If they do not care enough to make that much effort, then it is highly unlikely that they would care enought to get informed, and make a good choice.

    (2) If people are apathetic because they do not like any of the choices available then making it easier to vote will have no effect (let's see - would you like to eat broken glass or dog-food? Would delivery to your door-step make the choice easier?).

    (3) If people are apathetic because they would be equally happy with either party then again making it easier to vote will not make a difference.

  6. How to cure voter apathy by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Give the people candidates who are actually worth voting for.

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  7. Increase of voting misuse by rodney+dill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    e-voting that takes place in other than an official polling place with be a magnet for abuse.

    You will have a lot of representatives from the DNC visiting nursing homes to help people that don't get to the polls to vote for the "right" candidate.

    Not that this doesn't happen with absentee voting already, but the abuse will increase, and the weak minded will have loads of help in casting their votes.

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  8. Voting for idiots or idiots voting? by stilwebm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With E-Voting you have to worry about another problem. Spontaneous, apathetic voters who are voting.

    Have you ever been in a political discussion where you wonder how the other person can even begin to believe his or her arguments are sound? Remember what AOL joining the Internet did to newsgroups, etc?

    1. Re:Voting for idiots or idiots voting? by missing000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With E-Voting you have to worry about another problem. Spontaneous, apathetic voters who are voting.

      Have you ever been in a political discussion where you wonder how the other person can even begin to believe his or her arguments are sound? Remember what AOL joining the Internet did to newsgroups, etc?


      True, but one must observe that the AOL users slowly but surely have become much more educated and dare I say better netizins since the merge.

      I suspect that we may find the same thing with internet voting. If voters start voting online, I belive they will have a greater tendancy to find information online.
      Voters are already voting on soundbites. Any exposure to more communicative media should be encouraged.

    2. Re:Voting for idiots or idiots voting? by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Insightful
      > If voters start voting online, I belive they will have a greater tendancy to find information online.

      If voters start voting online, I believe they will have a greater tendency to have their systems hijacked by "voteware" - the electoral equivalent to spyware - and won't have a frickin' clue who they voted for, or why.

      Imagine downloading a EULA that says "By installing this software, you agree to install VoteGator on your system! VoteGator keeps you informed of $PARTY's hot new offers! Use VoteGator for all your voting needs!"

      (And just think of the "fun" an enemy agent could have with a .VBS worm :)

      Call me a Luddite, but I think I'll pass on e-voting.

  9. "Accidental" Candidates... by Nijika · · Score: 3, Insightful
    While this will enable lazy voters, it won't really help with being informed. I predict that this'll just end up snaring votes for candidates with names like aa11John Smith or something ;)

    If you get your ass up, get dressed, go down the street and stand in line so you can present ID to vote, you probably have at least some idea who you're going to vote for.

    If you can do it naked, from your bed while eating Doritos, you may not have the same commitment.

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  10. Lesser of two evils==Duverger's Law by robla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The little dig at the end of the CmdrTaco's intro is absolutely correct. There's a pretty big link between voter apathy and the "lesser of two evils" problem. The root cause for the lesser of two evils problem is Duverger's Law, which gives us the two party system. The link between voter apathy and two-party systems is pretty unmistakable, and there's a lot of research on the subject showing it. Read the Wikipedia link above for good starting reference material.

    Rob Lanphier
    p.s. Visit Electorama! for more on this subject

  11. Electronic voting is illegal here by Quixadhal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live in Michigan. Thanks to our super-DMCA law, which makes it a felony to conceal the source of any electronic transmission, we cannot have E-voting machines unless we give up anonymous votes.

    "What's good enough for Granddad, is good enough for me. The way it was, that's the way it's got to be."

  12. An awful lot of "squelch the masses" replies... by Cutriss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know...Frankly I'm shocked, and not surprised. A lot of the replies here seem to be concerned with the idea that if you make it easier for voters to do their civic duty, you get people who really don't give a damn tilting the scales one way or the other.

    But that is what democracy is all about! It's not about "power to the rich" or "power to the intellectuals"...which often wind up being synonymous.

    If you stand against online voting because it would "dilute the vote", then you're essentially arguing the same position that the South argued before the American Civil War, that "all people should count for tax purposes, but they don't get a vote". You can argue against it for many other reasons (lack of security, infrastructure, etc)...but *please* don't pick that one.

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  13. Unconstitutional in many states by coyote-san · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any election system which allows a voter to prove how he voted is unconstitutional in many states. This includes publishing ballots by name, publishing ballots by issued ID, etc. I know Colorado has this provision in its constitution because it came up when a local performance artist/election system designer tried to convince the City of Boulder to try telephone voting using software to be written by student volunteers.

    The reason for this restriction, as others have stated, is to prevent election fraud. If you can't prove how you voted, there's no point in buying votes or attempting to coerce voters.

    The other manifestation of the same restriction is that you must vote in private. Nobody can join you in the voting booth, etc. After all, external proof of how you voted is irrelevant if some 300 lb guy with a lead pipe is in the booth with you.

    Ironically, this is provided by voting in public. Since others are around, nobody can force themselves into your voting booth.

    But e-voting systems fail miserably at this. If I can vote from the convenience of my home:

    - a battered woman can be forced to vote "the right way" by her abusive husband. (or use "spouse" all around, since there are some battered husbands)

    - an employee can be forced to vote in his boss's office.

    - a church group can get together to pray and then "Witness" each other voting the right way.

    and so forth. All highly illegal, but difficult to prove and expensive to buck since you're still beaten up, fired, excommunicated, whatever.

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