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A New Meaning For Geotargeting At Monster.com

Duke submits a link to this New York Times story, according to which "it seems that Monster.com has taken the U.S. government's policy of sanctions against certain countries and run with it where no man has gone before. Monster 'has deleted resumes that list current addresses in those countries.' and more fun stuff. If you haven't had the opportunity for a really self-rightous post in a while, Monster.com has made it simple for you." Update: 04/28 01:34 GMT by T : Note that the New York Times ran the story, but like many other newspaper stories, the real credit goes to the Associated Press.

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  1. Monster.com: Unethical Pirates by Crispin+Cowan · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Two months ago, I posted some job ads (open position) to various forums, noting clearly that I did not want to work with recruiters or third parties. Then I started getting candidate applications responding to a post on flipdog.com (a Monster subsidiary). But I could not access this ad describing my own position unless I paid flipdog.com for the privilege.

    Advice to job seekers: never, ever, ever deal with Monster.com or their subsidiaries. I have monster.com and flipdog.com in my spam filters.

    Crispin
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    1. Re:Monster.com: Unethical Pirates by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Crispin Cowan wrote:
      Two months ago, I posted some job ads (open position) to various forums, noting clearly that I did not want to work with recruiters or third parties. Then I started getting candidate applications responding to a post on flipdog.com (a Monster subsidiary). But I could not access this ad describing my own position unless I paid flipdog.com for the privilege.

      Advice to job seekers: never, ever, ever deal with Monster.com or their subsidiaries. I have monster.com and flipdog.com in my spam filters.
      And ugen replied:
      And what other means of procuring a bread-winning position would You suggest from Your high-horse, Dr. Cowan?


      Um ... applying for jobs advertised in the local paper? Working with reputable job-search sites like Dice.com? Networking, which according to the studies I've seen is still how most positions are filled?

      The point isn't that job-search sites are inherently a bad thing. The point is that job-search sites (or for that matter, any kind of sites) that sell your information to spammers are inherently evil. When you put your resume up on a site, you're not sending out an open invitation for people to send you e-mail about things you're not interested in. You're simply and solely announcing your availability for a job -- and you have the right to be as picky as you want to be in that announcement.

      Of course, I suspect from ugen's response that his point is that he feels an irrational hostility toward people with Ph.D.'s. "Don't be thinkin' you're better'n us with all them books 'n' larnin'!"
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  2. I hope this doesn't start a trend.. by switched4OSX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hopefully, companies will realize that there is some talent out there that cannot be filled by a US citizen. I'd like to see Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf get his own late -night talk show. He'd beat the crap out of Conan or Letterman (or at least strenously deny there presence).

  3. Darn, I'll have to change my policy. by jspoon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For the last few months whenever I've been forced to register for any site, in the process of making up a fictitious address, I've set my country of origin to some random third world country. Afghanistan is nice and close to the top of the list, so it certainly gets used a lot. Otherwise, I tend to prefer Sudan. Lots of sun. Of course, I wouldn't do this on something like monster where they actually have a REASON for asking my address. I guess I'll have to stop though before the practice becomes more widespread.

  4. Off Topic: Spyware? by Seeker51 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Didn't know where else to put this, but I hope that one of the admins here will see it. A lot of your adds seem to be trying to install the Avenue A Inc. Cookie on my comp. Is Spyware really something Slashdot should be supporting?

  5. Why does it matter... by PhiloHmm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...it's not like anybody is really hiring, sponsoring visas, etc. That and it sounds like a publicity stunt to me (no such thing as bad PR).

  6. Re:Sanctions Instead of Military Force? by pantropik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That might even work. Except let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that some nation leveled sanctions against the US and impoverished us all. Finland, maybe. Linus always looked a little shifty to me ... (silly, yeah, yeah ... just pretending, remember?)

    Anyway, sure, we might rise up to overthrow the government just like Finland wants. But I bet when all was said and done Finland wouldn't be real popular in the hearts and minds of American citizens ...

    "They starved us because of our evil rulers." Once those evil rulers are gone it becomes real easy for the survivors to shorten that to, "They starved us ..."

    War. Sanctions. They both kind of suck. Too bad good will and common sense seem to be in such short supply among the powerful. Or maybe among all of us and it just doesn't show because we little guys don't have as much freedom to flex our muscles.

  7. This is wrong, wrong, wrong by e_pluribus_funk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's an outdated, Marxist view of conflict as "class struggle".

    The fact is the majority of terrorism that exists today is state sponsored and has nothing to do with economics. To steal from Mark Steyn:

    As Hussein Massawi, former leader of Hezbollah, neatly put it, 'We are not fighting so that you will offer us something. We are fighting to eliminate you.'.

    From the horses mouth, that little quote destroys your argument.

    Ultimately terrorism isn't about getting money, it's about getting power. After all, terrorism is an expensive business. Terrorists usually aren't poor, and even the foot soldiers (like the ones in the September 11th attacks) usually have good economic prospects.

    Terrorists don't attack us because we have 3 TV's per capita and they don't. If you follow that logic to it's logical conclusion, you'll give the terrorists 3 tv's and still have people hating and killing you.

    Ultimately the best cure for curing terrorism is killing the terrorists and destroying the infrastructure (states) that support it. There really is no other way.

  8. Re:uhh by Coocha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Probably not, bad publicity could spell disaster for them.

    Isn't monster.com a corporation based in the USA? Maybe it's not even bad publicity, considering current events. They say any publicity is good publicity ;-)

    Ride the apocalypse...

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  9. Re:The American Way by Buzz_Litebeer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree, but for a little bit different reason.

    If we are going to have "diplomatic" solutions to everything, then any country in the world can "threaten" and then get diplomatic solutions right?

    If we were in the world of Pre-Bush strong handed politics, what exactly would we be doing if say... Cuba, said "hey guys you know back in '68, we really do have nukes" and say... someone more "level headed" was in office (level headed I mean, and facetiously, a far left liberal) would they "give" Castro whatever he wanted, if thats what he said. If he said "lets do a diplomatic solution" what "diplomatic" solution COULD there be in a case like that?

    That is something I always wondered about Saddaam Hussein, we had 12 years of attempting "diplomatic solutions" and they found that when "diplomatic" people were in power (Clinton God bless 6 years of financial bliss for the country) the situation in Iraq got worse considerably, because the person we were contending with was not searching for diplomatic solutions, he wasnt searching for "compromise" unless you mean "compromise" as "you give us everything we want, because what your doing now only makes you look bad" as compromise.

    I think that the United States WAS justified in attacking Iraq, the only thing I feel is that it was not done soon enough. The United NATIONS should have done something about it earlier, the problem with the United Nations, is it really is as teathless a body as the League Of Nations (for those of you that miss that, its the ones that watched hitler do what he wanted prior to WW2).

    The United States IS the teeth of the U.N. without the U.S. the U.N. has no teeth. We have shown that against Russian technology, we can litterally take destroy an entire modern army into mush within 90 days (not talking about iraqi freedom). The only countries with as modern equipment are the European countries, and the thing is, they will always take a diplomatic solutiion before going to war, and it doesnt even need to be to there advantage, because you can stall them..

    That is all this has shown the world, yes a lot of people HATE the U.S.A. but the thing is, it reflects JUST AS BADLY on the United Nations, and how does that reflect on the world?

    The thing is shows is that.

    1. If the U.N. goes and says something, lets say against a foriegn power that attacks its neighbors, its sanctions against that country mean nothing to its leaders.

    2. It shows that the U.N. cannot control its own members, IE the United States.

    Those two things completely invalidate the United Nations as a legislative body, because legistlation means absolutely nothing without enforcement of that legislation.

    And the United Nations does not seem to really enforce its legislation. As for "enforcement" power, the United States has more Enforcement Power than the United Nations, simply because you would never get the United Nations to agree on anything.

    You could have the entire known world going "you know I think these guys are bad" but it doesnt matter a wit if you do not do something about it.

    And I think thats what people really are getting at when they say things like "....Chinese and Russians put as much PRESSURE on IRAQ to comply with the previous 17 SANCTIONS..." (previous post).

    It isnt that they are United States Imperialist Warmonger (which I have seen people say), its simply that there is no faith in the United Nations, the world has not matured enough to have a United Nations, because the world cannot agree on what is right and wrong.

    How does this affect jobs for Monster.com? It is not simple United States arrogance, it is a company trying to obey the spirit of the United States sanctions and Embargos. Sanctions and Embargos ARE OUR Diplomatic solutions, to allow jobs to be exported oversees, and work to be imported, is to CIRCUMVENT our diplomatic solutions.

    People often have the beleif that diplomacy is a peacfull solution to a problem, this is NOT true. D

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  10. Not following American values not always bad by 0x0d0a · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apartheid?

    Apartheid is a legitimate choice that the people of South Africa decided to live with for a while (and as it happened, went away after a while). I think it's a bit silly, but the US has no business waltzing in and shaking things up. The US has a far darker history of racial problems than most nations do.

    I *do* think that it might be legitimate for the US to push the idea that if someone wants to emmigrate to the United States, and the United States is willing, that the host country should be forced to allow him to do so (barring a few international crimes like spying or espionage). That would solve quite a few problems...if the US wants to allow people to have the US's value system, they can open their arms to the people that want to take part.

    Communism?

    Communism is also a perfectly legitimate view. The only time it's potentially nasty is when it's advocating global revolution and actively trying to foment revolution. Communism was quite popular among intelligentsia for a long time, and we have a Communist Party in the United States.

    Taking over a country to wipe out a communist regime is pretty disgusting, frankly. The US promotes the concept of self-determination, and then simply waltzes into other countries and forces a government and political system on them. You can't have it both ways.

  11. Re:The American Way by mythr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The only Evil is when good men turn a blind eye to evil.

    But if there was no evil in the first place, then no good man could turn a blind eye to it (as it does not exist.) Obviously there is evil in the world, that means that there was evil before a good man turned a blind eye, and your statement cannot be true.