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Protein-Packed Hard Drives Promise High Capacity

Digimax writes "The New Scientist has an interesting article on a technology being developed by NanoMagnetics which involves using a protein responsible for storing iron in the body to store data on a hard drive. Is this the start of the BioTech revolution?"

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  1. solid state by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yea, this is all fine and dandy, but doesn't help with speed.

    The real revolution waiting to happen is solid state hard drives that are affordable. Until we get rid of the moving parts, hard drives are going to be very very slow, relatively speaking. For the desktop, this is more important that storage space, since we already have 240gb drives that few can fill.

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    1. Re:solid state by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is the computer industry is focused on updating the old instead of innovating for new. It took nearly 10 years before anyone even CONSIDERED moving from x86, and still half of the market is still stuck there. Personally, I think Netburst was a nice move from x86, but it wasn't enought, just a marketing scheme to get back control of the market. Anyways: I look forward to seeing new innovative techniques at advancing speeds, hopefully dropping the entire current archtectures and moving on. Just because most people want to upgrade their computers one piece at a time over the span of 5 years doesn't mean that they shouldn't be forced to upgrade all at once every now and again, it helps the economy and overall, helps drive new innovation. So in reality, I hope solid state devices do come into standard, but now is not the time. We need to get the rest of computing up to that level of readiness before we can take the next step in storage. Otherwise the storage will outrun the ability for computers to fill it.

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    2. Re:solid state by yintercept · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Generally things go faster as they get smaller. At the nano-level, I suspect that the the difference between "solid state" and "mechanical" blurs a bit.

      As for the speed thing, different storage types have different merits. A great deal of information is accessed rarely. Look at the newspaper. Today's edition will be read by several hundred thousand people...the service delivering this page needs to be fast.

      The archives of yesterday's news has a different dynamic. The June 7th, 1981 sports section might be accessed once or twice per year. The indexing device for the archived paper still needs to be fast...the data itself needs to be on a slower, reliable media.

      The true art in computer design isn't just having the fastest components, but having the components matched to their tasks.

    3. Re:solid state by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>Just because most people want to upgrade their computers one piece at a time over the span of 5 years doesn't mean that they shouldn't be forced to upgrade all at once every now and again, it helps the economy and overall, helps drive new innovation.

      Does this sound like the line of thinking over in Redmond or what?

      Holy shit. Someone should be forced to upgrade? WTF? Why should that be? Should I be forced to give up my classic 1974 Chevy Impala because it's not 'up to date'?...because there are newer and more efficient engines available? Why is a computer any different?

      I don't mean to attack the author personally, but I don't like this kind of thinking.

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    4. Re:solid state by schmink182 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Should I be forced to give up my classic 1974 Chevy Impala because it's not 'up to date'?...because there are newer and more efficient engines available?

      Maybe. Less efficient engines are horrible for the environment. Should the atmosphere have to suffer because of your Impala?

      Okay, I was obviously exaggerating there, but I just wanted to show how it's not exactly as black and white as you think.

  2. Says nothing about speed by arvindn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article is silent on the question of how fast data can be read from the device - both in terms of bandwidth and latency. I would imagine that anything that's protein based would be awfully slow, and hence suitable only for long term data storage. But if it takes days just to fill the disk its probably useless. In any case, disk sizes have already gotten to the point where only a small fraction, perhaps 5% of users fill them to anywhere near their full capacity. So unless the internet becomes the primary medium of distribution of movies or something like that I don't see these kinds of devices having more than a niche market.

  3. Re:OLEDs? by Boogaroo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually the first "BioTech" would probably be something along the lines of the smallpox vaccines that were manufactured by injecting horses and then taking the serum from the blood for the antibodies.

    In the harddrive case, it's a mechanical good. In the smallpox case, it's a medicine. Both are certainly ways to use biological means for manufacturing.

    If someone can think of an earlier biotech, please feel free to let us know!

  4. Increasing current capacity by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This reminds me of an idea I came across once. Why not build a hardware gzip chip (Like the one on these PCI cards and embed it on the controller for the harddrive. While this may slow down speeds a little, we can get a lot more data on current drives. Even though this may be counter productive right now, later on with these SUPER fast disk drives we could really cram some data onto them :)

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  5. New Scientist article sucks by Muhammar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    New Scientisct article writen by somebody ignorant in material science: skips the important stuff and dwells on marginal. The company site more informative.

    Magnetic particles in storage media must be evenly spaced and right size. This protein is used as a mold and spacer for making and placing the magnetic particles. The protein is spherical, has cavity which can be filled with magnetic stuff and forms crystal-ordered-like monolayer on support surface. Burning the protein leaves the magnetic particles in caramelized yuck. All this done in with external magnetic field. And since we are baking it well above Curie temperature of the magnetic material, cooling will produce the particles nicely magneticaly aligned.

    [To organize apricot pits, place a baking tray covered with apricots in oven pre-heated to 475F for 2 hours, and do not stir.]

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  6. New Scientist... by JDevers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm going to point out something that no one else seems to have noticed yet. This is an article in New Scientist, that should be enough said who ever actually read it. The have a real penchant for investigating off the wall oddball ideas then writing up the issue with just enough slant that one who reads it takes the same mentality as those who think cars which run on water have been made but are being held back by the big car manufacturers and oil companies. Virtually every issue of New Scientist has at least ONE grand convoluted conspiracy theory. I'm not saying there is no basis at all for this, just that New Scientist isn't exactly a reputable news source much less something approaching a peer-reviewed scientific journal. They are much more like Scientific American but don't even approach that level of credibility.

    That said, go ahead and debate it all you want. I just think (as a molecular biologist...more DNA focused than applied protein mechanics like this, but still fairly well versed) that by the time all the "bugs" for this are worked out we'll have leapfrogged the whole idea of magnetic media Winchester syle drives. This is the equivalent to making a perfect artificial diamond point for a record player, by the time we had the tech to do it the world had already moved onto CDs or other media for the overwhelming majority of uses of said records...People still make record players, but they are a niche market to say the absolute least.

    1. Re:New Scientist... by Muhammar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The technique is very clever, but it is fringe. This is a very small company developing new technology. They may win big, but right now they do not have anything marketable and won't have too soon. They operate on private financing and have to advertise their cutting-edge proprietary technology breakthrough whatever to attract investment to keep going.

      I worked for a company like this, so I take it with some scepticism.

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  7. ...mostly because this is a dumb idea by sultanoslack · · Score: 2, Insightful
    • hard drive space is cheap
    • hard drive speed is not
    • we can make hard drive big enough that they are not a limiting factor for 99.99% of applications
    • hard disk IO speed is a limiting factor for most application

    Add to this the fact that most data either is (a) speed critical or (b) does not compress well. i.e. database data you normally want very quickly, same for applications. The things that fill modern home computers are media files, which are already heavily compressed.

  8. Hype by sillybilly · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Biotech is another hype industry that will go bust. Biological beings need a constant expanding of energy just to repair and upkeep their organic shape. A lot of complex organic compounds degrade without this constant repair work going on. So a real biotech harddrive will either be "alive," and have a mechanism to upkeep itself, replicating damaged parts, or it would not be true biotech, but a news on the level of "tiny magnets encapsulated in a polymer or organic binder" - so what? I wonder what the lifetime of such a device would be - personally I prefer inorganic storage devices, even if they themselves have short lifetimes: flash cards can only be written to for a few thousand times, CDR ink degrades in a decade or two(depends on light exposure), and harddrive magnetic media starts to forget after a decade. Now throw proteins into the coctail and see how long they last. I wonder.

  9. Copying nature is worth 1 billion years of R&D by cyko500 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We've had computers around for a while and have some of the smartest people working to make them even better using the latest and greatest technology, but why not just copy nature? Life has been on this planet for a billion or so years. Evolution has had much more time than us to make this run effiecient. Our bodies are far more effiecient than anything we can design even with the obviously "poor" . Things we have just barely now come to understand have been going on in nature for quite some time. Nature has also had a long time to weed out the crap. Despite that our macrodevelopment could be improved, on the molecular level living creatures on this planet are damned effiecient. If we take the effiecient molecules that nature has created and combine them with our much better designing skills (nature does some stupid shit.... like making the trachea and esophagus join at the pharynx which allows us to choke to death) we will get some kickass new technology. What will be a REAL technoevolution is when we figure out how neurons actually store memory. That will allow us to make hard drives, RAM, and processors a single unit which will be 1000x faster and have 1000x the storage capacity at minimum. Not to mention the fact that computers will then be able to learn (put some Actual Intelligence in those games) and the intefacing possiblities would be kickass.... I doubt that'll be in my lifetime, though, with the moral issues and whatnot. Sorry about the mindless rant, I'm a med student... :)

  10. We keep working... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We keep working on newer faster computers, better and better AI, and we keep trying to find machines that are fault tolerant and self healing.

    You watch, before it's over with all of our machines and computers are going to be genetically engineered creatures that are alive.

    We'll have giant brains in vats, and giant beasts of burdon doing our labor. We'll grow our homes instead of building them, and we won't need highways because we'll fly around everywhere we go on giant birdlike creatures.

    Everything will be organic save for some things that are still best served by mechanical means. Having said that, nearly all of our lives will involve some kind of biotechnology, except for food. All of our food will come out of some kind of machine.

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  11. Re:OLEDs? by DocDendrite · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Actually the first "BioTech" would probably be something along the lines of the smallpox vaccines that were manufactured by injecting horses and then taking the serum from the blood for the antibodies.

    If someone can think of an earlier biotech, please feel free to let us know!
    200 years ago it was observed milk maids exposed to cows did not develop smallpox. By innoculating uninfected individuals with the exudate of the cowpox corpustle an immunity was conferred. In fact, today's smallpox vaccine "DryVax" is comprised of elements from this cowpox virus (called Vaccinia).

    On a similar vein, the first noted instance of BioWarfare being employed occured during the Middle Ages. Plague (Yersinia pestis) infected bodies were catapulted over the high walls of fortified strongholds. The hope was that the contagion would spread to the inhabitants.

    -DD

    p.s. I see a lot of biology misinformation on slashdot. I'd like to qualify my post by stating I am a fourth-year PhD student in Molecular Biology. Should anyone wish to correct or amplify my statement please have more expertise than having read "Hot Zone" or "The Coming Plague." Thank you.