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Krawtchouk's Mind

A reader writes: "Central Europe Review is running an article on a gulag-condemned Soviet scientist whose contribution to the first computer is virtually unknown because of the Cold War mentality that infected much of society on both sides of the Iron Curtain. The story tells of how in 1937, American digital computer pioneer John Atanasoff came across a Myhailo Krawtchouk paper on a new method for finding approximate solutions to differential equations. Atanasoff tried sending a letter to him, but received no response. Krawtchouk had been attainted for giving a favorable review of the work of "enemies of the people" and shipped to Siberia for 20 years of gold mining, where he died four years later. Krawtchouk's biography gives a more detailed account of how Krawtchouk was labeled a "Polish spy" and "Ukrainian nationalist," stripped of his Academy of Sciences membership, and forced to sign a confession -- that he later retracted -- under torture and threats upon his family. "

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  1. err... by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 4, Informative

    ..the Cold War mentality that infected much of society on both sides of the Iron Curtain. The story tells of how in 1937...

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cold War and the Iron Curtain didn't begin until after WWII, in the late 1940's.

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    1. Re:err... by LizardKing · · Score: 4, Informative

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cold War and the Iron Curtain didn't begin until after WWII

      Correct, Churchill gave the Iron Curtain speech after World War II. However, a "cold war" did exist between the Soviet Union and leading western states ever since the October Revolution. Until the Axis invasion of 1941, the Soviet Union was seen as much of a bogeyman as Hitler's Germany. In fact, Britain had toyed with the idea of declaring war on the USSR in the Winter of 1939 - under the pretext of aiding Finland which was being invaded by Stalin at the time, but really as an excuse to occupy ore-rich Sweden.

      Chris

    2. Re:err... by Mister+Black · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the 1930s, Lenin was in power in Russia and he started the gulag camps in Russia, which after only a few years grew to some 4800 camps throughout the USSR, enslaingmillions of "traitors".

      Wow, that's quite an accomplishment for a guy that died in 1924. Must have been all the borsch and vodka.

      From '22 to '53 it was all Joe

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    3. Re:err... by Snart+Barfunz · · Score: 3, Informative

      True. However, 70,000 people were interned in the UK, most of them European Jews. Unless, like my grandfather, they were unfortunate enough to be forcibly repatriated to Germany. Bogus asylum seekers indeed.

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    4. Re:err... by LizardKing · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We were the good guys, they were the bad guys, they lost, end of story.

      It must be so nice to live in such a black and white world as yours. Look up the history of the McCarthy years in the United States for a start. It's finally getting some real historical analysis, having been brushed under the carpet for a long time. The Hoover-era FBI could give the Soviet secret police a few lessons in ethics-free techniques as well. Yes, your local Socialist Worker seller is undoutedly deluded by a bankrupt political creed, but there wasn't much honour amongst the Cold War warriors of either side.

      Chris

    5. Re:err... by crawling_chaos · · Score: 3, Informative
      Of course, ore-rich Sweden was shipping as much iron ore as possible to Nazi Germany because they were afraid that if they didn't, Hitler would invade and take it anyway. The Brits and the French tried to convince the Swedes not to do this, but the supposedly neutral Sweden continued to ship ore to the Germans until it became obvious that Germany had lost the war. At that point, faced with an invasion threat from the Soviets, they chose to stop shipments. Many of the tanks and U-Boats that the Allies faced in the war were built with Swedish iron.

      So, you see, Churchill's plan to invade Sweden was designed to distrupt the German war effort, not simply a land-grab.

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    6. Re:err... by dogfart · · Score: 3, Insightful
      the US did fewer bad things, and was by far the good guys.

      Doing fewer evil things only makes you less evil, not "good". Let's just say the magnitude of evil displayed the the US was far far less than the magnitude displayed by the USSR. Someone suffering under a pro-US dictatorship may have suffered less than their counterparts in the Soviet Union, but they suffered nevertheless.

      The collapse of communism got rid of something very evil. Now we have to work on those "lesser" evils perpetrated by the winning team. THEN we can start talking about the "good guys" winning.

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  2. Actually... by LeoDV · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the first computer was invented in 1936 by a German scientist, Konrad Zuse, who later had to flee to Switzerland because of the war... At least that't About.com claims.

    You know, it's really funny how things can be invented in several places at the same time... Like the modern guitar as we know it was come up with in China, the Middle East and Spain at the exact same times (and not chronologically, implying that the invention would have traveled)... Or how Pythagores, Zarathustra, Buddha and Lao-Tse, who each pioneered philosophy in their own continent, were contemporaries.

  3. Geek Persecution by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This isn't really even a communist thing. Geek persecution on both sides of the wall was rough. I mean, where's Alan Turing?

    1. Re:Geek Persecution by LizardKing · · Score: 4, Informative

      This isn't really even a communist thing. Geek persecution on both sides of the wall was rough. I mean, where's Alan Turing?

      While the establishment's treatment of Turing was a disgrace, I think it pales into insignificance compared to Stalin's terror. For an excellent introduction to life at the time of the purges, I can highly recommend Solzhenitsyn's "One Day In The Life of Ivan Denisovich", closely followed by his "Gulag Archipelago". It's a while since I read the latter, but I'm pretty sure it's the one that fictionalised Russian scientists working in an "intelligentsia prison".

      Chris

  4. Similar things continue... by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although similar persecutions continue in some countries to these days, the public opinion in many democracies would not tolerate any outside action against the oppressing governments.

    Living your life under Stalin, Kim of North Korea, Castro, Saddam Hussein is worse than war... Trade sanctions -- a modern democracies' usual "civilized" weapon against each other -- don't work against these scumbags. They pass the suffering onto their people...

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  5. jjayson on kuro5hin.org got ripped off by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Informative

    unless he is the "a reader" that submitted the story

    http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/4/27/5153/73626

    note the word-for-word plagiarization/ lifting

    just trying to keep it honest

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    1. Re:jjayson on kuro5hin.org got ripped off by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'd like to hear what Hemos has to say, the editorial integrity issues need to be addressed.

      But, apparently, won't be. Why was this modded down? It's not offtopic, it isn't trolling, and it isn't flamebait. (And it's hard to be overrated when starting at 0.) It's a statement of someone's opinion, and a rather reasonable one at that. Slashdot has been caught plagarizing another site. So some questions arize: Did the editors really get an anonymous submission and hense didn't know it was plagarized? Or, did the author of the original piece also post to Slashdot? Or, did the authors willingly and knowingly plagarize the article?

      A simple acknowledgement of the fact that the story in on Kuro5hin and an explanation of why would do well to calm any conspiracy theorists. Simply ignoring the issue doesn't help and just raises resentment against the editors, who really seem to have an "I don't care" attitude about a site they want us to pay to use.

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  6. That had more to do with him being *gay* by autopr0n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then beeing a "geek".

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  7. Other Simultaneous Work. by Flamesplash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This issue has come up in the Computational Complexity course I am taking.

    In particular the Cook-Levin Theorem wah proved simultaneously by Steve Cook in the US and Lenoid Levin in the USSR.

    Additionally the Immerman-Szelepcsenyi Theorem was proven by Neil Immerman (US) and Richard Szelepcsenyi (Slovakia).

    Neither were known for some time due to the lack of communication on both sides.

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  8. An earlier Difference Engine.... by hughk · · Score: 5, Informative
    was the one devised by Charles Babbage around 1832. It was started but never completed. However, part of the calculating section was produced in 1832. Babbage revised his design to simplify it but the second version was not produced. The Difference Engine No. 2 was produced from Babbage's plans by the Science Museum in Britain to verify that it would work. The team building it restricted themselves to manufacturing accuracies attainable 150 years ago. It worked after the correction of some small errors, which were felt to be deliberate (the Victorians feared espionage and frequently introduced a few deliberate mistakes into technical drawings.

    The printer was completed in 2000. It featured variable spacing and line wrapping. Not bad for something that is 100% mechanical.

    It should be noted that as with the machine talked about here, this was a machine for solving simple differential equations (tides) as well as more standard types of maths (i.e., logs, sines and so on) for the production of tables. It was not a general purpose computer, that term was reserved for his Analytical Engine - which was designed but never produced. However Ada Byron, Countess of Lovelace wrote some programs for it, converting equations into algorithms and generating register settings which could be punched on the Jacquard cards (Babbage pinched this idea from the manufacturers of automatic-looms, a long time before Hollerith).

    If Babbage had completed the Analytical engine, we could have been in a very different world. One version would have been hypothesized in William Gibson's "The Difference Engine".

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  9. Re:err...(Frink satire) by gosand · · Score: 4, Funny
    In fact, Britain had toyed with the idea of declaring war on the USSR in the Winter of 1939 - under the pretext of aiding Finland which was being invaded by Stalin at the time, but really as an excuse to occupy ore-rich Sweden.

    What you say? One country invading another for natural resources under the pretext of liberation and justice?

    Why, that is so far-fetched it's incomprehensible-flaven-goyven. With the oil, and the grudges, and cowboy hats, and the terrrism, and the nuculur threat, and the weapons of mass destruuuuuuuction.

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  10. Cold Wars by hughk · · Score: 3, Informative
    You are absolutely correct, but Stalin in the thirties was already feeling insecure and taking desparate measures to keep the USSR from fragmenting and the resistance to his land reform program (which caused the death of millions from starvation). He was less concerned about western influences after the twenties as it was already difficult to enter the USSR uninvited or to travel outside. Krawtchouk being a nationalist Ukrainian, was extremly lucky not to be immediately shot. In any case, Stalin disliked intellectuals, hence the Doctor's "plot" in 1953, and killing off the officer corps which almost led to the defeat of the Russian Army in the Winter War against Finland.

    Churchill's famous speech referred to the effective extension of Soviet borders to that of the European countries under their influence after the war.

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  11. Re:Not Turing Machines? by pmc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Colossus was a Turing machine, just. It had the (rough) equivalent of "computed goto" where the result of an operation could determine what instruction was executed next, which is enough.


    This, its "Turingness", came about almost by accident - in breaking the Lorenz codes it ran a computation step where it worked out some property of captured cipher text against generated enciphering text. This produced a potential deciphered text, which an operater would look at to see if it made sense. The second generation machine was designed to calculate some statistical properties of the text, which could tell resonably well if it had been broken properly. It was when they were building the capability of doing this that the computed goto snuck in (which gave them the ability to do conditional branching), and the equivalent of "if Text looks like German then Stop".


    After the war the runners of the machine tried to program it to do base 10 arithmetic, but clock speed was against them, so it never quite worked (not that they spent a lot of time on it as shortly after the war almost all the colossi were scrapped).


    It was an odd machine - extremely fast at what it was built to do, with the bonus that it could do anything (given enough vacuum tubes!). Different to the ABC and Zuse machines in that these were non-Turing machines (I think that's true of the Atanasoft-Berry machine too - having looked at the information available it doesn't seem Turing complete, but it is fairly sketchy).