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Krawtchouk's Mind

A reader writes: "Central Europe Review is running an article on a gulag-condemned Soviet scientist whose contribution to the first computer is virtually unknown because of the Cold War mentality that infected much of society on both sides of the Iron Curtain. The story tells of how in 1937, American digital computer pioneer John Atanasoff came across a Myhailo Krawtchouk paper on a new method for finding approximate solutions to differential equations. Atanasoff tried sending a letter to him, but received no response. Krawtchouk had been attainted for giving a favorable review of the work of "enemies of the people" and shipped to Siberia for 20 years of gold mining, where he died four years later. Krawtchouk's biography gives a more detailed account of how Krawtchouk was labeled a "Polish spy" and "Ukrainian nationalist," stripped of his Academy of Sciences membership, and forced to sign a confession -- that he later retracted -- under torture and threats upon his family. "

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  1. First Computer? by archetypeone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What about Colossus?

  2. Interesting story... by TopShelf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It could use a little more meat, however - exactly how was Krawtchouk's work influential? Anybody care to dig a little further (I would, but work has a bad habit of getting in the way sometimes)?

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  3. err... by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 4, Informative

    ..the Cold War mentality that infected much of society on both sides of the Iron Curtain. The story tells of how in 1937...

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cold War and the Iron Curtain didn't begin until after WWII, in the late 1940's.

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    1. Re:err... by LizardKing · · Score: 4, Informative

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cold War and the Iron Curtain didn't begin until after WWII

      Correct, Churchill gave the Iron Curtain speech after World War II. However, a "cold war" did exist between the Soviet Union and leading western states ever since the October Revolution. Until the Axis invasion of 1941, the Soviet Union was seen as much of a bogeyman as Hitler's Germany. In fact, Britain had toyed with the idea of declaring war on the USSR in the Winter of 1939 - under the pretext of aiding Finland which was being invaded by Stalin at the time, but really as an excuse to occupy ore-rich Sweden.

      Chris

    2. Re:err... by pkunzipper · · Score: 2, Informative

      True, but it was in 1937 that this scientist made his "discovery", but the information was not spread until after the Cold War. In the 1930s, Lenin was in power in Russia and he started the gulag camps in Russia, which after only a few years grew to some 4800 camps throughout the USSR, enslaingmillions of "traitors". This scenario was followed by Stalin, who upheld the gulags under his regime, as well as severe control over the flow of information.

      We should thankful that this piece of scientific history was uncovered, sugnificant or not, since here in the Western world we take our liberites for granted.

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    3. Re:err... by sql*kitten · · Score: 2, Informative
      Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cold War and the Iron Curtain didn't begin until after WWII, in the late 1940's.

      You are correct, Winston Churchill coined the phrase "Iron Curtain" on March 5, 1946, while accepting an honorary degree in the US.

      From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic an iron curtain has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia; all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere, and all are subject, in one form or another, not only to Soviet influence but to a very high and in some cases increasing measure of control from Moscow.

      Far be it from a /. editor to have the slightest grasp of history...
    4. Re:err... by Mister+Black · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the 1930s, Lenin was in power in Russia and he started the gulag camps in Russia, which after only a few years grew to some 4800 camps throughout the USSR, enslaingmillions of "traitors".

      Wow, that's quite an accomplishment for a guy that died in 1924. Must have been all the borsch and vodka.

      From '22 to '53 it was all Joe

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    5. Re:err... by Snart+Barfunz · · Score: 3, Informative

      True. However, 70,000 people were interned in the UK, most of them European Jews. Unless, like my grandfather, they were unfortunate enough to be forcibly repatriated to Germany. Bogus asylum seekers indeed.

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    6. Re:err... by LizardKing · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We were the good guys, they were the bad guys, they lost, end of story.

      It must be so nice to live in such a black and white world as yours. Look up the history of the McCarthy years in the United States for a start. It's finally getting some real historical analysis, having been brushed under the carpet for a long time. The Hoover-era FBI could give the Soviet secret police a few lessons in ethics-free techniques as well. Yes, your local Socialist Worker seller is undoutedly deluded by a bankrupt political creed, but there wasn't much honour amongst the Cold War warriors of either side.

      Chris

    7. Re:err... by MojoMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      McCarthyism.
      Blacklisting.

      These two are related, and should be a single point. Yes, this was a dark time. Civil rights were being trounced upon. However, no one was tortured or sent to forced labor camps. Not to mention that it didn't take long before sanity prevailed and McCarthy was denounced. Unfortunately, many careers were damaged.

      Internment camps.
      This was bad. Plain and simple. You're right. We are just now apologizing about this, and doing what we can to reconcile. This should never have happened.

      Murder of civil rights leaders.
      Are you saying State sponsered murder? If so, give me a break. If not, you can not hold government responsible for the acts of a lunatic.

      The U.S. has made many mistakes in it's short history. And yes, you could say that there was "plenty of intolerance, persecution, oppression, and corruption." Nobody ever said that it's a perfect nation. But if you think you'll find any less than ANY other country in the world, you are in for a shock.

      You've mentioned isolated occurances that for some reason slipped through the cracks of the safeguards put in place by the constitution. Those occurances are dealt with and measures are taken to make sure that they never happen again. Can you say that for the former Soviet Union?

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    8. Re:err... by crawling_chaos · · Score: 3, Informative
      Of course, ore-rich Sweden was shipping as much iron ore as possible to Nazi Germany because they were afraid that if they didn't, Hitler would invade and take it anyway. The Brits and the French tried to convince the Swedes not to do this, but the supposedly neutral Sweden continued to ship ore to the Germans until it became obvious that Germany had lost the war. At that point, faced with an invasion threat from the Soviets, they chose to stop shipments. Many of the tanks and U-Boats that the Allies faced in the war were built with Swedish iron.

      So, you see, Churchill's plan to invade Sweden was designed to distrupt the German war effort, not simply a land-grab.

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    9. Re:err... by dogfart · · Score: 3, Insightful
      the US did fewer bad things, and was by far the good guys.

      Doing fewer evil things only makes you less evil, not "good". Let's just say the magnitude of evil displayed the the US was far far less than the magnitude displayed by the USSR. Someone suffering under a pro-US dictatorship may have suffered less than their counterparts in the Soviet Union, but they suffered nevertheless.

      The collapse of communism got rid of something very evil. Now we have to work on those "lesser" evils perpetrated by the winning team. THEN we can start talking about the "good guys" winning.

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  4. Actually... by LeoDV · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the first computer was invented in 1936 by a German scientist, Konrad Zuse, who later had to flee to Switzerland because of the war... At least that't About.com claims.

    You know, it's really funny how things can be invented in several places at the same time... Like the modern guitar as we know it was come up with in China, the Middle East and Spain at the exact same times (and not chronologically, implying that the invention would have traveled)... Or how Pythagores, Zarathustra, Buddha and Lao-Tse, who each pioneered philosophy in their own continent, were contemporaries.

    1. Re:Actually... by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Zuse's machines had no type of a branch instruction, they could only perform a sequence of calculations. Ie; no conditionals (ifs) or loops (for, while, etc).

      A lot of comp. sci folks hold that it's not a computer until it can branch and do conditional logic. Zuse's work was impressive, especially considering they were built way cheap (they used like recycled tin from soupcans and whatnot - very MacGyver) but they were really more like an automated adding machine than a computer as we know it.

      At least that's what I was taught about it.

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    2. Re:Actually... by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Informative

      That doesn't disprove anything I said. It was programmable, sure, but it had no conditional or branching instructions. It could only execute code sequentially.

      From your link:

      The Z3 did not contain the conditional branch. The ENIAC or MARK I did not have the conditional branch, either

      And like I said, some consider it the first computer because of this, some dont (nor do some consider ENIAC or MARK I fully programmable either).

      It could do math, but it couldnt make decisions.

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  5. Geek Persecution by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This isn't really even a communist thing. Geek persecution on both sides of the wall was rough. I mean, where's Alan Turing?

    1. Re:Geek Persecution by LizardKing · · Score: 4, Informative

      This isn't really even a communist thing. Geek persecution on both sides of the wall was rough. I mean, where's Alan Turing?

      While the establishment's treatment of Turing was a disgrace, I think it pales into insignificance compared to Stalin's terror. For an excellent introduction to life at the time of the purges, I can highly recommend Solzhenitsyn's "One Day In The Life of Ivan Denisovich", closely followed by his "Gulag Archipelago". It's a while since I read the latter, but I'm pretty sure it's the one that fictionalised Russian scientists working in an "intelligentsia prison".

      Chris

  6. Similar things continue... by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although similar persecutions continue in some countries to these days, the public opinion in many democracies would not tolerate any outside action against the oppressing governments.

    Living your life under Stalin, Kim of North Korea, Castro, Saddam Hussein is worse than war... Trade sanctions -- a modern democracies' usual "civilized" weapon against each other -- don't work against these scumbags. They pass the suffering onto their people...

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    1. Re:Similar things continue... by reallocate · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> What if the totalitarian government was voted in by the majority of the population in a free and fair election, with full knowledge that the party was totalitarian? .

      Doesn't change a thing. Totalitarian regimes threaten the well-being of the people they rule, and block the spread of true democracy. Failing to eliminate an elected totalitarian regime is an analog to failing to treat someone who has inflicted himself with plague.

      And, yes, so long as people who profess to support so-called international law (show me the elected legislature that creates international law, ok?) and the UN thinks it is more important to respect borders and sovereignty than it is to eliminate totalitarian regimes protected by those borders, I'll call it lack of courage and will.

      The world needs to understand that viable totalitarian regimes cannot be overthrown by internal revolt. They must be eliminated by external forces and pressure. That's the lesson of Iraq. Saddam's WMD is a symptom of totalitarianism, but not the disease itself.

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  7. jjayson on kuro5hin.org got ripped off by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Informative

    unless he is the "a reader" that submitted the story

    http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/4/27/5153/73626

    note the word-for-word plagiarization/ lifting

    just trying to keep it honest

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    1. Re:jjayson on kuro5hin.org got ripped off by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 2, Funny
      Hey, someone stole YOUR message. See here

      Oh wait...

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    2. Re:jjayson on kuro5hin.org got ripped off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd like to hear what Hemos has to say, the editorial integrity issues need to be addressed.

    3. Re:jjayson on kuro5hin.org got ripped off by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'd like to hear what Hemos has to say, the editorial integrity issues need to be addressed.

      But, apparently, won't be. Why was this modded down? It's not offtopic, it isn't trolling, and it isn't flamebait. (And it's hard to be overrated when starting at 0.) It's a statement of someone's opinion, and a rather reasonable one at that. Slashdot has been caught plagarizing another site. So some questions arize: Did the editors really get an anonymous submission and hense didn't know it was plagarized? Or, did the author of the original piece also post to Slashdot? Or, did the authors willingly and knowingly plagarize the article?

      A simple acknowledgement of the fact that the story in on Kuro5hin and an explanation of why would do well to calm any conspiracy theorists. Simply ignoring the issue doesn't help and just raises resentment against the editors, who really seem to have an "I don't care" attitude about a site they want us to pay to use.

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  8. That had more to do with him being *gay* by autopr0n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then beeing a "geek".

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  9. Other Simultaneous Work. by Flamesplash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This issue has come up in the Computational Complexity course I am taking.

    In particular the Cook-Levin Theorem wah proved simultaneously by Steve Cook in the US and Lenoid Levin in the USSR.

    Additionally the Immerman-Szelepcsenyi Theorem was proven by Neil Immerman (US) and Richard Szelepcsenyi (Slovakia).

    Neither were known for some time due to the lack of communication on both sides.

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  10. Re:Do Myhailo a favor... by sprprsnmn · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'll bite.

    It's mainly that true Marxist communism is an economic theory, and not a political system. Marxist-Leninism, OTOH, has been viewed as what "True Communism" is to the sheepish West. It's so easy to demonize a demonic institution like totalitarianism, and label that as the "Axis of Evil" (1.0)

  11. An earlier Difference Engine.... by hughk · · Score: 5, Informative
    was the one devised by Charles Babbage around 1832. It was started but never completed. However, part of the calculating section was produced in 1832. Babbage revised his design to simplify it but the second version was not produced. The Difference Engine No. 2 was produced from Babbage's plans by the Science Museum in Britain to verify that it would work. The team building it restricted themselves to manufacturing accuracies attainable 150 years ago. It worked after the correction of some small errors, which were felt to be deliberate (the Victorians feared espionage and frequently introduced a few deliberate mistakes into technical drawings.

    The printer was completed in 2000. It featured variable spacing and line wrapping. Not bad for something that is 100% mechanical.

    It should be noted that as with the machine talked about here, this was a machine for solving simple differential equations (tides) as well as more standard types of maths (i.e., logs, sines and so on) for the production of tables. It was not a general purpose computer, that term was reserved for his Analytical Engine - which was designed but never produced. However Ada Byron, Countess of Lovelace wrote some programs for it, converting equations into algorithms and generating register settings which could be punched on the Jacquard cards (Babbage pinched this idea from the manufacturers of automatic-looms, a long time before Hollerith).

    If Babbage had completed the Analytical engine, we could have been in a very different world. One version would have been hypothesized in William Gibson's "The Difference Engine".

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  12. USSR Responsible for Cold War, Krawtchouk Abuse by reallocate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Krawtchouk's woes can't be attributed to "the Cold War mentality that infected much of society on both sides of the Iron Curtain...".

    His obscurity, yes. But not his abuse by the Soviet Union. Hemos' casual paraphrasing of one line in the Reviews' piece serves to apportion responsibility for the Cold War equally among the Soviets and the U.S. This is wrong. Soviet totalitarianism was responsible for both Krawtchouk's abuse and his obscurity, while Soviet military occupation of one-half of Europe, the imposition of Soviet totalitarianism there and an expressed intent to eliminate democratic governments elsewhere were the causes of the Cold War.

    Some revisionist historians -- who always seem to me to be embarrassed by democracy -- will disagree, but can they truthfully imagine the Cold War happening if the Soviet Union had been a free and democratic nation with no expansionist aims?

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  13. This sounds like a story out of Scientology by leereyno · · Score: 2, Informative

    To anyone familiar with Scientology, and especially its RPF, this story sounds eerily familiar.

    The secret Library of scientology:
    http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library /

    Operation Clambake:
    http://www.xenu.net

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  14. Re:err...(Frink satire) by gosand · · Score: 4, Funny
    In fact, Britain had toyed with the idea of declaring war on the USSR in the Winter of 1939 - under the pretext of aiding Finland which was being invaded by Stalin at the time, but really as an excuse to occupy ore-rich Sweden.

    What you say? One country invading another for natural resources under the pretext of liberation and justice?

    Why, that is so far-fetched it's incomprehensible-flaven-goyven. With the oil, and the grudges, and cowboy hats, and the terrrism, and the nuculur threat, and the weapons of mass destruuuuuuuction.

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  15. Re:Do Myhailo a favor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actual, true Marxism has never been practiced in any country, wether said country claims to be Communist or not. Stalinism, and to a lesser extent Leninism, is hardly Marxism but more a form of totalitarian dictatorship with a planed economy. It suited the west to call those countries Communist, however, and the terminology has stuck.

    I agree that most kids who espose Communism do not understand the distinction, or if they do, do not understand what actually happened under these Stalinist "leaders".

  16. Cold Wars by hughk · · Score: 3, Informative
    You are absolutely correct, but Stalin in the thirties was already feeling insecure and taking desparate measures to keep the USSR from fragmenting and the resistance to his land reform program (which caused the death of millions from starvation). He was less concerned about western influences after the twenties as it was already difficult to enter the USSR uninvited or to travel outside. Krawtchouk being a nationalist Ukrainian, was extremly lucky not to be immediately shot. In any case, Stalin disliked intellectuals, hence the Doctor's "plot" in 1953, and killing off the officer corps which almost led to the defeat of the Russian Army in the Winter War against Finland.

    Churchill's famous speech referred to the effective extension of Soviet borders to that of the European countries under their influence after the war.

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    1. Re:Cold Wars by LizardKing · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... killing off the officer corps which almost led to the defeat of the Russian Army in the Winter War against Finland ...

      The loss of a good proportion of the officer corps contributed to the Red Army's lousy performance throughout the Winter War, but there were other reasons why an invasion was going to be difficult. It was the coldest winter in living memory, and the Soviet troops were poorly clothed for it. Tanks proved ineffectual in the forest conditions above Lake Ladoga. Along with the small number of roads, this meant a lack of mobility that prevented any "fanning" out of Soviet forces to form a broad front. Long columns hemmed in by forest made perfect conditions for Finnish hit and run tactics.

      Another fundamental flaw in the Soviet invasion plan was that it occured under a banner of "liberation". Many ordinary folk in the Soviet Union actually believed this propaganda, and the leadership didn't want the same kind of bad press abroad that the Fascists got after Guernica. Therefore, bombing of Finnish towns and cities was sporadic, despite the likelihood that intensive bombing would have broken the Finnish resolve to fight. There again, the utter ineptitude of the Soviet air force didn't help.

      Ultimately though, the Finns were doomed to lose the Winter War. Britain was too slow in deciding whether to assist the Finns, dithering over what advantages could be gained (such as a good excuse to put Swedish iron ore beyond Hitler's reach). The US was still wrapped up in its isolationaism, and an international brigade like that which gave the Spanish Civil War such a high profile weren't going to be of much use. Even if the war had dragged on until Spring, a massive offensive along a snow free Karelian Isthmus would have overcome the Finns in the same way it did the Axis several years later. The sheer weight of numbers, and Stalins willingness to sacrifice them would have seen to that.

      Chris

  17. Re:Not Turing Machines? by pmc · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Colossus was a Turing machine, just. It had the (rough) equivalent of "computed goto" where the result of an operation could determine what instruction was executed next, which is enough.


    This, its "Turingness", came about almost by accident - in breaking the Lorenz codes it ran a computation step where it worked out some property of captured cipher text against generated enciphering text. This produced a potential deciphered text, which an operater would look at to see if it made sense. The second generation machine was designed to calculate some statistical properties of the text, which could tell resonably well if it had been broken properly. It was when they were building the capability of doing this that the computed goto snuck in (which gave them the ability to do conditional branching), and the equivalent of "if Text looks like German then Stop".


    After the war the runners of the machine tried to program it to do base 10 arithmetic, but clock speed was against them, so it never quite worked (not that they spent a lot of time on it as shortly after the war almost all the colossi were scrapped).


    It was an odd machine - extremely fast at what it was built to do, with the bonus that it could do anything (given enough vacuum tubes!). Different to the ABC and Zuse machines in that these were non-Turing machines (I think that's true of the Atanasoft-Berry machine too - having looked at the information available it doesn't seem Turing complete, but it is fairly sketchy).

  18. Russia by EABird · · Score: 2, Funny

    In Soviet Russia.... ...oh, never mind.

  19. Re:Do Myhailo a favor... by jgalun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, but the problem is that Marxism as a theory does not explain AT ALL how it should be put into practice. And the ONLY way it has been put into practice is, well, what you saw in the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, etc.

    If people were walking around with German SPD t-shirts (supporting socialist economics) - hey, that's cool with me. But communism has only existed as horrible dictatorial regimes. It has no existence other than as horrible dictatorial regimes.

    This is not the fault of the "sheepish west" confusing some pure theory with the practice. This is the intelligent west understanding that the theory only exists in someone's mind as a utopia that cannot be put into practice, and what actually can be put into practice is horrible. That's not sheepish. That's perceptive.

  20. Scientists persecuted in the West by br00tus · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Wilhelm Reich, a student of Freud's, died in an American prison. He was put there due to his research into energy forms. The government also burned his research!

    Plenty of American scientists have been persecuted for political reasons, including Oppenheimer, as well as many lesser known ones. Despite being an American, I find it hypocritical that people find a desire to bash the USSR for things the US did as well. Like decry people killed in the early days of the USSR when the US wiped out most of the Indians here, as well as however many Africans were dumped overboard after being packed in like sardines on slave ships. Or remember persecuted scientists in the Soviet Union, when there were persecuted scientists in the United States. I think it would be better to focus on people in Kansas and wherever else in the US that want to burn biology books and replace them with the book of Genesis. Americans have been brainwashed by anti-Bolshevist propaganda since 1917, and had ugly incidents from their past like the Bonus March absent from the history books (except history books like A People's History of the United States), or even incidents of working class power and solidarity (like the San Francisco general strike). I'm not a Marxist-Leninist by any means, but this tendency among the right to try to revive the USSR from the dead to bash it again while trying to whitewash the American ruling classes history is lame, and I don't feel it serves working class Americans like myself.

  21. Wrongly imprisoned? by Cruciform · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess it's too late for a "Free Krawtchouk" website and defense fund t-shirt sales.