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On The Collapse of Complex Societies

One of the mailing lists that I'm on had a great short essay about the disastrous decision that societies can make - and their consequences. The author is Jared Diamond, who also wrote Guns, Germs and Steel (First Slashdot book review was that book), and is still one of the most interesting books I've read in a while.

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  1. I give it 45 more seconds...... by mao+che+minh · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot: On The Collapse of Complex Web Servers

  2. Damn... by asparagus · · Score: 4, Funny

    The adage popular then was that students who got A's did the technical work, while people who managed only C's wound up running things.

    That this adage may no longer hold true seems like progress.


    After all those years of hard work, getting ready to rule the world, they switch the rules of the game just as I leave!

    1. Re:Damn... by mcmonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope, now folks who got As run things, while people who managed only Cs get to wave at the cameras and say things like, "I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating"

      God bless America!

  3. Hmmmmm..... by airrage · · Score: 3, Funny

    First of all, a group may fail to anticipate a problem before the problem actually arrives.
    -- My girlfriend and I will be together forever.
    Secondly, when the problem arrives, the group may fail to perceive the problem.
    -- She is not interested in other guys, we are simply growing closer.
    Then, after they perceive the problem, they may fail even to try to solve the problem.
    -- Her dating other guys is simply a cry for more attention.
    Finally, they may try to solve it but may fail in their attempts to do so.
    -- I will win her back with chocolates and poetry.

    --
    "This isn't a study in computer science, its a study in human behavior"
    1. Re:Hmmmmm..... by travdaddy · · Score: 4, Funny

      First of all, a group may fail to anticipate a problem before the problem actually arrives.
      -- My girlfriend and I will be together forever.


      If you were trying to make an example that other Slashdotters would understand through their own experience... you failed. :)

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    2. Re:Hmmmmm..... by ePhil_One · · Score: 3, Funny
      First of all, a group may fail to anticipate a problem before the problem actually arrives.
      -- My girlfriend and I will be together forever.
      Secondly, when the problem arrives, the group may fail to perceive the problem.
      -- She is not interested in other guys, we are simply growing closer.
      Then, after they perceive the problem, they may fail even to try to solve the problem.
      -- Her dating other guys is simply a cry for more attention.
      Finally, they may try to solve it but may fail in their attempts to do so.
      -- I will win her back with chocolates and poetry.

      You forgot a few steps:

      As one attempt fails, more and more radical solutions are attempted
      -- I'll stand outside her home/office so she knows I'm there for her.
      -- I'll call her friends and family to get them to remind her how good we are for each other
      -- I'll secretly more into her attic and hold her cat hostage...

      Hold on, there's a knock on my door...

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      You are in a maze of twisted little posts, all alike.
    3. Re:Hmmmmm..... by sig+cop · · Score: 1, Funny
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      You: Knock Knock
      Us: PLEASE DIE

  4. All it took in high school.... by kewsh · · Score: 2, Funny

    was telling one girl that another had sex with her football star boyfriend...

  5. It depends on your viewpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Easter Islanders gradually chopped down that forest to use the wood for canoes, firewood, transporting statues, raising statues, and carving and also to protect against soil erosion. Eventually they chopped down all the forests to the point where all the tree species were extinct, which meant that they ran out of canoes, they could no longer erect statues, there were no longer trees to protect the topsoil against erosion, and their society collapsed in an epidemic of cannibalism that left 90 percent of the islanders dead.

    But for the 10% of slacker, cannibalistic, sun worshipping Easter Islanders this was a golden age.

  6. Re:Jared Diamond by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    he is, in my professors words "a national treasure."


    Quick! Harvest him before someone else does.
  7. Re:The problem is overpopulation. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Funny
    Even as we speak, several varieties of fish are on the verge of distinction.

    Recently, a well-spoken mackerel was nominated for a Pulitzer!

  8. Call me a freak... by uityup · · Score: 3, Funny

    but if I came across the last tree on an island which is quickly converting to cannabalism, my thought would be closer to "building a boat and getting my ass off this island is more important than preserving the environment."

  9. Re:Stupid decisions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Studies have also shown that some of New York's teams play in New Jersey.

  10. Where was the Lorax? by Big_Monkey_Bird · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Easter Islanders didn't have the Lorax speaking for the trees? I guess we're lucky.

  11. Re:It's a flame, but important anyway by smcdow · · Score: 2, Funny
    What he's groping for is a theory of economic externalities. But he doesn't have one.

    Fuck Economics. The man's article was about disaster and how to possibly avoid future ones.
    If avoiding future disasters means throwing out current economic models, then good riddance!

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    In the course of every project, it will become necessary to shoot the scientists and begin production.
  12. Re:The Maya by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Funny
    "Wasn't it because of drugs?"

    No.

    It was because their religion predicated their rulers repeatedly stabbing their foreskins with stingray spines.

    That, and obviously, not enough drugs.

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  13. beer by zogger · · Score: 2, Funny

    --the one I read was that advanced civilization came about from beer. Guys accidentaly had some wild grain ferment in some gourd, they drink/eat it, get drunk, liked it. Being hunter gatherer's, they stripped the local grain supply, moved on until they found abundance. Then your scenario takes over, controlled agriculture comes about, they settle in one area, villages arise, trade starts, division of labor, etc, etc.

    Probably fire and metal working in there, too, someplace, but I think beer and then therefore an abundance of drunk babes did most of it. Occams razor.

  14. Re:Short essey ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "essey"

    Apparently you didn't use the spell check either when writing an essay; would that qualify you as a teacher's pet. Yes I am a troll, but I couldn't resist.

  15. Re:Chaos theory of human societies? by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

    it did happen it would be a really great example of tunneling

    No, a really great example of tunnling would be if several million dollars in cash "tunneled" out of a bank vault and into my basement :D

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  16. Re:Fisheries. by tenman · · Score: 2, Funny

    Reminds me of Monty Python..."it's just a flesh wound."