Suse 8.2 was not reviewed - in fact it was never released! This entire article is a lie! We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back. As for The Register, I have detailed information about the situation...which completely proves that what they allege are illusions . . . They lie every day.
-- Former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf
This is a good review
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Informative
NVidia and SAMBA
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BrynM
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· Score: 4, Interesting
From the article:
I opted for the RPM because nVidia warns of dire consequences with SaX2 configuration otherwise.
Oddly enough, I did just the opposite by using SuSE's "update" feature and it worked flawlessly (even for my TNT2 M64 which is notorious for problems). This is a huge improvement from 7.x, under which I could never get an NVidia card to work right.
SuSE (and other distros) sadly lack an easy way to share a directory under SAMBA. There are a few utilities to browse windows shares and mount them, but nothing to create a share with a GUI. I can't believe I've been mucking around with samba.conf since 5.X! Having it built into Konqueror would be great, but I dream. Has anyone found GUI tools for SAMBA that work well?
By the way, SuSE can't use the SMB Python library, so the killer SAMBA Python GUI isn't possible under SuSE. Such a bummer, because there already is a great tool written under Python. I don't remember the name off the top of my head though.
-- US Democracy:The best person for the job (among These pre-selected choices...)
Updates are much better
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jonfelder
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· Score: 5, Informative
I think one of the biggest improvmenets with SuSE 8.2 are the online updates. While they still download rather slowly, they actually work now.
With 8.1 the online updater always locked up or didn't complete. It only seemed to work if you mirrored the updates locally and then directed online update to run from your lan.
available for $3
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 4, Informative
It's available for $3from budgetlinuxcds.com
Re:available for $3
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sangfroid
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· Score: 5, Informative
Unfortunately, budgetlinuxcds.com is selling the live evaluation disc, not the full distribution.
SuSE offers a live-evaluation disc image for free here. It's not a complete install but it'll give you an idea of what SuSE's all about.
You are allowed to do a full install via ftp (see instructions here). Sure it's not as easy but an FTP install will build some more of that character I'm always hearing about.
I have to say though, YaST is probably the best thing I've seen so far for a Migrating Windows User. It is powerful, flexible, and intuitive for anyone used to Control Panels. SuSE also automatically does some intelligent things like password protect single-user mode (unlike RedHat). IMHO, it's the best new user distribution. Sure, I use Gentoo on my machine but then I'm captivated by watching packages compile for 72 hours straight. -grin-
Re:Pronounciation
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jonfelder
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· Score: 5, Informative
Who modded this informative? It's wrong. The proper pronounciation is soo'-suh
More reviews
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gmuslera
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· Score: 5, Interesting
In OSNews there is also a good review of SuSE 8.2 for a desktop user, comparing it with Redhat 9.
In the other hand, in Linux and Main they have a mostly negative review.
But, at least for me, it installed without problems in the systems I tried, and it looks more mature than 8.1, is not just a package versions upgrade.
Re:ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
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mmontour
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· Score: 4, Informative
SuSE Linux comes with drivers for common cards including the following:
ATI: Radeon 9000/9500/9700
nVidia: GeForce 4, GeForce FX
Matrox: G450/G550
I have an 8500DV, which also works (though I haven't tried the special features like video-capture or firewire yet).
Re:ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
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Squarewav
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· Score: 4, Informative
ati has opened up the drivers, well sorta, xfree 4.3 supports it out of the box, theres a few bugs like in tux racer you dont see the trail tux leaves behind, most of the cutting edge distros like redhat will setup everything for you, unless you have a odd ball mb like mine (ali agp8x) then you need to add the following lines to modules.conf
alias char-major-10-175 agpgart
options agpgart agp_try_unsupported=1
make sure you put a newline after or it may complain at boot
Oh, I've been calling "Soooooossss", all slow and exaggerated out like that. I feel like a freaking idiot.
Thanks for the acronym and pronunciation information.
However, I don't feel ALL dumb because at least I didn't mispell the word proNUNciation (although I probably mispelled others).
Okay, now I feel like a pud again for spontaneously turning into a grammar officer.
Dammit SuSE! Why couldn't you have been easy to pronounce in the first place and saved me all this shame?
Re:Pronounciation
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Qbertino
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· Score: 4, Informative
In germany we pronounce it "Suse". Haha.
Ok, so the first part sounds like "Sue" or "Soo" with a sharp "S" - something like the first sylable in "soup" (like chicken). The second part is "suh" or "ze", like the last sylable in "nose" (sphinx) or "hose" (gardening).
Note that in german you can read pronounciation even if you have never heard the word before. German pupils can usually read - if not very fluently - after 3 months in school! I wonder if a semi-unification of writing and speech, like unifying the writing of sylables (something like "nite" instead of "night") would help the iliteracy problem in the US in any way.
To me personally the difference is very significant since both english and german are my mothertounge. I learned both at the same time along with all the advantages and disadvantages. One being that my spelling in both is not that good, whilst I'm able to pronounce third languages (such as maybe french or japanese) allmost accent free. I account this to the oral 'flexibility' you gain from growing up with a german mother and a texacan father, meaning two somewhat different languages in terms of pronounciation.:-)
-- We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Linux Newbie
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Infernon
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· Score: 5, Interesting
I'm a linux newbie. I've been using Windows for years. That being said... I went out and picked up SuSE 8.2 last week and installed it under VMWare and I love it (despite the fact that I can't get VMWare tools to install!). I think that KDE 3.1 kicks the living snot out of Windows, period. I would even propose that my mother could use it without a problem. As the article said, the installation was flawless and it picked up the virtual NIC automatically. I didn't encounter one problem (except as noted above) and I found that I started running the VM fullscreen despite the low resolution because I just enjoyed working with it. I'm not ready to get involved on a command-line level as of yet and probably won't until I finish my MCSE (please don't flame me!), but it's definitely a tight package compared to other Linux installs that I've played with before. Sadly, Linux doesn't seem to have much support for games and it's really the only reason that I haven't dumped Windows from my main machine and taken the plunge. I know that everyone talks a good deal about WINE, but I've heard that there are problems with it. Oh well, just my two cents...
Re:No ISOs, no testing, no install.
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mao+che+minh
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· Score: 5, Informative
It is not as nice as having an ISO available, but I haven't installed *BSD from a CD in ages, and I hear Suse's FTP install is even easier and more reliable.
Don't forget apt!
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Phantasmo
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· Score: 4, Informative
The US Army: promoting democracy through unquestioned obedience
Re:No ISOs, no testing, no install.
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barnaclebarnes
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· Score: 4, Insightful
...and used on my servers at work.
Someone should tell your boss because that is not how informed decisions are made about what software to install.
/b
-- [Please type your sig here.]
Re:OK, so maybe I'll give this "Linux" thing a try
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ElGuapoGolf
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Well, the install takes about a half hour. Maybe more, maybe less, depends on your hardware. This will install the OS, OpenOffice.org's office suite, multimedia stuff, etc. If you want a DVD player, thanks to our friend the DMCA, you'll have to go grab some rpm's and install them, about 5 minutes of your time.
Installing a copy of Tribes 2 or UT2003 will take a few minutes. There are other games. Does that answer the gaming question?
Of course, you'll want to install other stuff, and whatnot. Roughly setting up, timewise, is going to be a little less than setting up with windows.//Rant Now, as a developer, who's done both Win and *nix development, you couldn't really find any way to put a nice spin on Windows development. And, by development, I'm not talking about writing some cute little VB database front ends.
I'm talking about writing backend stuff. Data handling stuff. Servers. Things where windows just doesn't do well. Need to share objects? COM? Who came up with that horrible idea. regsvr32? WTF is up with that?//End Rant
The truth is, if you see no reason to switch to Linux, then you probably shouldn't. If you like your current environment, and don't feel a political, philosophical, or technical imperative to switch, don't.
There are many reasons to switch to Linux; the protection of our future rights and freedoms is not least (philosophical and political imperatives). Linux is more stable than XP in my experience, but not by that much (technical). MS-Windows still has all the games, though. (Although, I have to say: I would rather play a game on my PS2 than on my computer.)
Linux installs within about an hour. You should be productive within a couple of hours after that, but you will spend the next 20 years learning. (Of course, you better spend the next 20 years learning no matter what system you choose.)
If you want to develop MS-Windows programs, for God's sake, man, use MS-Windows! Don't drive yourself crazy trying to do some devilishly-complicated scheme, when the simple solution is, well, simple.
I believe it is dangerous to support Microsoft in any way. Their history has shown they will destroy any emergent technology simply to retain a lock on "innovation." If you are doing anything remotely interesting, they are likely to either buy you up (good for you), or kill you (bad for you). Either way, you benefit Microsoft more than yourself.
I also believe you are giving up your rights by using Microsoft products. Their EULA are becoming draconian; at some poing, you will have no rights at all.
Linux brings back the fun in computing, both at the systems level, and at the development level. I haven't had so much fun with a system since the old Apple ][ days. Of course, I've been using Linux for almost 10 years now, so it's been a long fun jag.
If these arguments do not appeal to you, then you probably have nothing to gain by moving to Linux. Stick with what you have. Don't kill yourself by attempting a switch.
However, if you'd like to see what the fun is all about, pull out an old PII computer and install away. Play with it, integrate it with your home network, start exploring the things that interest you. You can have the best of both worlds, you know. It's not an either/or proposition.
But, no matter what you do, have fun. Keep one eye on the future, but don't let yourself become blind to the present: have extreme amounts of fun.
After all, that's what life is all about.
-- Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
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Suse 8.2 was not reviewed - in fact it was never released! This entire article is a lie! We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back. As for The Register, I have detailed information about the situation...which completely proves that what they allege are illusions . . . They lie every day.
Former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf
This review of SuSE is much more informative:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3163
a review of KDE 3.1 to me.
This should answer your questions.
-Afreet
SuSE (and other distros) sadly lack an easy way to share a directory under SAMBA. There are a few utilities to browse windows shares and mount them, but nothing to create a share with a GUI. I can't believe I've been mucking around with samba.conf since 5.X! Having it built into Konqueror would be great, but I dream. Has anyone found GUI tools for SAMBA that work well?
By the way, SuSE can't use the SMB Python library, so the killer SAMBA Python GUI isn't possible under SuSE. Such a bummer, because there already is a great tool written under Python. I don't remember the name off the top of my head though.
US Democracy:The best person for the job (among These pre-selected choices...)
I think one of the biggest improvmenets with SuSE 8.2 are the online updates. While they still download rather slowly, they actually work now.
With 8.1 the online updater always locked up or didn't complete. It only seemed to work if you mirrored the updates locally and then directed online update to run from your lan.
It's available for $3from budgetlinuxcds.com
Who modded this informative? It's wrong. The proper pronounciation is soo'-suh
In the other hand, in Linux and Main they have a mostly negative review.
But, at least for me, it installed without problems in the systems I tried, and it looks more mature than 8.1, is not just a package versions upgrade.
The hardware requirements page suggests that it does:
SuSE Linux comes with drivers for common cards including the following:
ATI: Radeon 9000/9500/9700
nVidia: GeForce 4, GeForce FX
Matrox: G450/G550
I have an 8500DV, which also works (though I haven't tried the special features like video-capture or firewire yet).
ati has opened up the drivers, well sorta, xfree 4.3 supports it out of the box, theres a few bugs like in tux racer you dont see the trail tux leaves behind, most of the cutting edge distros like redhat will setup everything for you, unless you have a odd ball mb like mine (ali agp8x) then you need to add the following lines to modules.conf
alias char-major-10-175 agpgart
options agpgart agp_try_unsupported=1
make sure you put a newline after or it may complain at boot
Oh, I've been calling "Soooooossss", all slow and exaggerated out like that. I feel like a freaking idiot.
Thanks for the acronym and pronunciation information.
However, I don't feel ALL dumb because at least I didn't mispell the word proNUNciation (although I probably mispelled others).
Okay, now I feel like a pud again for spontaneously turning into a grammar officer.
Dammit SuSE! Why couldn't you have been easy to pronounce in the first place and saved me all this shame?
In germany we pronounce it "Suse". Haha.
:-)
Ok, so the first part sounds like "Sue" or "Soo" with a sharp "S" - something like the first sylable in "soup" (like chicken).
The second part is "suh" or "ze", like the last sylable in "nose" (sphinx) or "hose" (gardening).
Note that in german you can read pronounciation even if you have never heard the word before. German pupils can usually read - if not very fluently - after 3 months in school!
I wonder if a semi-unification of writing and speech, like unifying the writing of sylables (something like "nite" instead of "night") would help the iliteracy problem in the US in any way.
To me personally the difference is very significant since both english and german are my mothertounge. I learned both at the same time along with all the advantages and disadvantages. One being that my spelling in both is not that good, whilst I'm able to pronounce third languages (such as maybe french or japanese) allmost accent free. I account this to the oral 'flexibility' you gain from growing up with a german mother and a texacan father, meaning two somewhat different languages in terms of pronounciation.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
I'm a linux newbie. I've been using Windows for years. That being said...
I went out and picked up SuSE 8.2 last week and installed it under VMWare and I love it (despite the fact that I can't get VMWare tools to install!). I think that KDE 3.1 kicks the living snot out of Windows, period. I would even propose that my mother could use it without a problem.
As the article said, the installation was flawless and it picked up the virtual NIC automatically. I didn't encounter one problem (except as noted above) and I found that I started running the VM fullscreen despite the low resolution because I just enjoyed working with it.
I'm not ready to get involved on a command-line level as of yet and probably won't until I finish my MCSE (please don't flame me!), but it's definitely a tight package compared to other Linux installs that I've played with before.
Sadly, Linux doesn't seem to have much support for games and it's really the only reason that I haven't dumped Windows from my main machine and taken the plunge. I know that everyone talks a good deal about WINE, but I've heard that there are problems with it.
Oh well, just my two cents...
Suse FTP install
It is not as nice as having an ISO available, but I haven't installed *BSD from a CD in ages, and I hear Suse's FTP install is even easier and more reliable.
There's an apt repository for SuSE 8.2.
The US Army: promoting democracy through unquestioned obedience
Someone should tell your boss because that is not how informed decisions are made about what software to install.
[Please type your sig here.]
Well, the install takes about a half hour. Maybe more, maybe less, depends on your hardware. This will install the OS, OpenOffice.org's office suite, multimedia stuff, etc. If you want a DVD player, thanks to our friend the DMCA, you'll have to go grab some rpm's and install them, about 5 minutes of your time.
Installing a copy of Tribes 2 or UT2003 will take a few minutes. There are other games. Does that answer the gaming question?
Of course, you'll want to install other stuff, and whatnot. Roughly setting up, timewise, is going to be a little less than setting up with windows.
Now, as a developer, who's done both Win and *nix development, you couldn't really find any way to put a nice spin on Windows development. And, by development, I'm not talking about writing some cute little VB database front ends.
I'm talking about writing backend stuff. Data handling stuff. Servers. Things where windows just doesn't do well. Need to share objects? COM? Who came up with that horrible idea. regsvr32? WTF is up with that?
The truth is, if you see no reason to switch to Linux, then you probably shouldn't. If you like your current environment, and don't feel a political, philosophical, or technical imperative to switch, don't.
There are many reasons to switch to Linux; the protection of our future rights and freedoms is not least (philosophical and political imperatives). Linux is more stable than XP in my experience, but not by that much (technical). MS-Windows still has all the games, though. (Although, I have to say: I would rather play a game on my PS2 than on my computer.)
Linux installs within about an hour. You should be productive within a couple of hours after that, but you will spend the next 20 years learning. (Of course, you better spend the next 20 years learning no matter what system you choose.)
If you want to develop MS-Windows programs, for God's sake, man, use MS-Windows! Don't drive yourself crazy trying to do some devilishly-complicated scheme, when the simple solution is, well, simple.
I believe it is dangerous to support Microsoft in any way. Their history has shown they will destroy any emergent technology simply to retain a lock on "innovation." If you are doing anything remotely interesting, they are likely to either buy you up (good for you), or kill you (bad for you). Either way, you benefit Microsoft more than yourself.
I also believe you are giving up your rights by using Microsoft products. Their EULA are becoming draconian; at some poing, you will have no rights at all.
Linux brings back the fun in computing, both at the systems level, and at the development level. I haven't had so much fun with a system since the old Apple ][ days. Of course, I've been using Linux for almost 10 years now, so it's been a long fun jag.
If these arguments do not appeal to you, then you probably have nothing to gain by moving to Linux. Stick with what you have. Don't kill yourself by attempting a switch.
However, if you'd like to see what the fun is all about, pull out an old PII computer and install away. Play with it, integrate it with your home network, start exploring the things that interest you. You can have the best of both worlds, you know. It's not an either/or proposition.
But, no matter what you do, have fun. Keep one eye on the future, but don't let yourself become blind to the present: have extreme amounts of fun.
After all, that's what life is all about.
Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.