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Dot ComBack, Or More Of The Same?

adamsmith_uk writes "The FT features Wall Street's renewed love affair with dotcom stocks on Monday with the latest in a $6bn string of acquisitions that has helped set light to the once-defunct online commerce sector. Could this be the signs of the tech ComBack ?" But hold onto your hopes; ekarjala writes "According to this CNet article, a recent survey by theInformation Technology Association of America indicates that IT hiring in the US is expected to remain flat or decline slightly over the course of 2003. The main drivers are lack of demand for IT products/services and outsourcing IT functions offshore."

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  1. Remember.. by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its not a comeback for some, just some more growth: Not all those DotComs were DotBombs. Look at Ebay, quite possibly one of the most successful internet businesses ever.

    1. Re:Remember.. by bobbozzo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Look at Ebay, quite possibly one of the most successful internet businesses ever.

      Unfortunately, even now, it's one of the VERY FEW that are making a profit.

      Amazon is still struggling to break even.

      The sad fact is the huge majority were bombs.

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  2. Just at the right time.. by nother_nix_hacker · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm just about to graduate. This may have come at just the right time for me. I thought McDonalds might be looking at a new employee for a while! :)

    1. Re:Just at the right time.. by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Nother

      We have become increasingly concerned with your lack of committment to the Fast Food Industry. We feel your desire to become a geek rather than concentrating on your McDonalds smile and practising your "would you like fries with that" indicate you may not be the best candidate for us. Unfortunately after seeing your post on Slashdot we therefore have choosen not to continue with your application.

      Best Regards
      Human Resources
      McDonalds

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  3. Employment lags by PD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even if the economy starts growing faster, it'll still be a while before companies start hiring. That's usually the last thing that gets better after growth resumes. Even now there are signs that things are getting better, but there's still a hell of a lot of people without work. That sucks. I didn't work between August and December of 2001, and that was bad enough.

  4. Re:US != The world by Uber+Banker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Exactly. The summary stated "outsourcing IT functions offshore".

    And why not outsource offshore? If a product is homogenous enough to outsource, its up to the individual to use their privilaged position to create as unique and innovative product/service as possible instead of bitching their job is not protected (against others who could probably do it better).

  5. Don't call it a ComBack... by theoddball · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...they've been here for years.

    /LLCoolJ.

    Seriously, it's a matter of stocks getting back to realistic values. Investors are taking a look, and seeing a realistic chance for profit--so they're returning, albeit cautiously. Where there's money, the market will follow, eventually.

  6. Re:You don't need to tell me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your not... you're a student, you're sposed to either work for a Prof, or flip the big macs while volunteering your time to projects so you can build a portfollio/resume and have something to set yourself apart once you do graduate.

  7. Does this really surprise anyone by Walter+Wart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in the day, before globalization, before the demise of family-wage jobs, before the unions were smashed flat there were other possibilities.

    One of the purposes of tariffs and trade agreements, back in the day was to keep jobs from leaving the country.

    But that day is past. The race to the bottom has been enshrined not merely as a matter of current policy but the cornerstone of international law (cf. GATT, NAFTA, WTO and so on). Here in the States most educated White men vote Republican. Most IT people educated White men. If we voted against our best interests we have nobody but ourselves to blame.

    Early on we thought that we would be safe. Steel and textiles might go overseas, but not high-tech. Then semiconductors moved away. And consumer electronics. That's alright, we said, the engineering and design, the programming and the day-to-day business of managing information will stay here. They followed. Because jobs like those are even easier to move - you don't even have to absorb the fixed costs of a factory, just phone lines.

    And the jobs that stayed? Wages are sinking there because we weren't politically active. We let the big employers pervert the H1-B visa program EXPLICITLY to cut our wages and job security.

    The action by Sun employees to fight back against job destruction fell off the screen. Largely because we didn't keep attention on it.

    So look for a recovery in the IT industry. But don't ever look for a recovery in salaries or security. At least not until people pull their heads out and undo the disastrous effects of the Reagan "revolution" and its sequels.

    For a couple good if older references take a look at "America, What Went Wrong" and "America, Who Really Pays the Taxes".

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  8. This is just scavenger hunt by YllabianBitPipe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There isn't going to be a second boom like 1999. The collapse took out all the smaller weaker companies and we're pretty much left with the survivors: Amazon, eBay, Yahoo, heck toss Microsoft, AOL, Dell, Apple in there. Now it's just time for the big companies to pick and choose what stragglers that are still left treading water (which, implies they have something worth owning) and buy 'em. We're just going to see the bigger companies get bigger. Sometime in the next century there will be another speculative boom but I'll doubt it'll be web-based. Anybody pumping net stocks today probably lost a crap load the last time 'round and is bitterly trying to make up what they lost ... or they're just dumb.

  9. Re:US != The world by ShawnDoc · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Its going to crap in India because for the longest time India was *the* place to go to outsource software development. Now other "3rd World" countries are catching up when it comes to programming skills, and many of the contracts that once would have gone to India are now going to Vietnam or China.

    I have a friend who recently went from having a huge office full of programmers to leasing a small amount of office space at another company for him and the other principles as all of the "real" programming is now being done in Vietnam.

  10. Re:US != The world by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I have a friend who recently went from having a huge office full of programmers to leasing a small amount of office space at another company for him and the other principles as all of the "real" programming is now being done in Vietnam.

    Get back to me in a year and let me know how it went. The two cases of outsourcing overseas I know of first-hand were a total money pit. One of them they finally cancelled the whole thing after throwing $2 million towards India. They eventually did the logical thing: Wrote the damn thing themselves.

    Vietnam? Like I said, let me know how it goes.