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Microsoft's Athens PC

OneLeg noted that the Seattle Times has a story on Microsoft deciding to partner up with HP and work on new PCs with a simpler, more controlled architecture. Including things like integrated telephony into the PCs, and in general, being a bit more Maclike and locking Linux out of the desktop market.

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  1. more controlled architecture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    All your bus are belong to us?

    1. Re:more controlled architecture? by byolinux · · Score: 5, Funny

      Somebody set us up the box!!

      We get Linux!!

  2. Port time estimates? by jrrl · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone want to start a pool on when a port of Linux to this will be ready?

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    1. Re:Port time estimates? by dpilot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      About one week before you get your Cease and Desist issued under the DMCA, because you had to crack the "protection mechanisms" of the box in order to boot an unsigned OS on it.

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    2. Re:Port time estimates? by gonvaled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wouldn't be so sure ... This, combined with Palladium, could effectively lock out certain software from running. The trend here is to build a product which is not a combination of HW and SW, but which must be seen as a complete system which can not be changed. This is not inherently bad if it weren't for two important factors:

      - will other products have the possibility to compete?
      - will it be possible to interconnect other computers with this one, share information, ... ?

      I think it is very clear on which track MS is here: it will try to wipe out competition on the OS market, and then it will try to get control of file formats and transfer protocols/interfaces. This has already been done in some areas; it is just trying to increase the pressure.

      I think is is possible for them to technically lock out certain SW: I fear the only way to stop them is to further increase the legal pressure and force them to open the market to competition. Exactly the opposite than what is actually happening. Very sad ...

  3. Outstanding! by stanmann · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The XBOX will now come with a monitor, an HP label, and Windows XP. Yay!

    Oh wait, this is a bad thing... I think.

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  4. Re:how does this lock linux out? by Frequanaut · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Think drivers. Think booting only those operating systems of which the bios approves (in the name of security perhaps?).

  5. and I Quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Louis Kim acknowledged the similarities [of Apple's recent hardware lineup], noting, "Apple is on a similar track in that they're designing with the end-user in mind and they're integrating hardware and software."

    Apple is on a similar track??? A similar track? They built the f*cking track 10 years ago and Microsoft and the other PC vendors are on a hand-cart like laurrel and hardy trying to catch up. Similar track my arse! Apple are so far down the track it's not funny, MS will be coming up with a new online music distribution service next.

  6. Oh come on.. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    1990s MS: "We are not a monopoly."

    2000s MS: "We can't compete fairly, lock out the competition."

    2010s MS: "Would you like Fries with that?"

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  7. Re:Ah, another MS lockdown by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This looks like it's targeted towards corporate environments, where Microsoft is facing pressure to demonstrate greater value for the premium they command over other office solutions. Towards that end, locking things down can be a good thing, preventing users from clogging up PC's with dancing gorillas and other crap.

    I think you can take off your aluminum foil hat for now, the Boogeyman of Redmond isn't really hiding under your bed... (but that always seems to make a good /. story)

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  8. Linux can't get locked out by n1ywb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or can it?

    I'm sure no matter what MS puts in this "new" hardware, the hackers will find a way to make Linux run on it no problem. They'll probably do some crap with signing the software, like on the XBox. The big questions are, will hacking it void your warrantee, will hacking it violate the DMCA, etc. Obviously no legitimate business is going to violate the law in order to get Linux to run on an MS computing appliance.

    Anyway I doubt if it's really going to be THAT different from current PC hardware. In fact the core architecture probably won't be ANY different. What we're seeing here is probably a group of bundled proprietary officially supported USB devices or something with extra special attention paid to the drivers courtesy of MS. Basicly it's just an appliance computer, which like the iOpeners aren't really any different hardware-wise from real computers.

    So in that case there's not much stopping any other industry group from getting together and setting other open standards for this type of operation. Sorry MS, but using caller ID to pull up a person's picture when they call is NOT revolutionary. The important thing here is that it's an integrated appliance system. It's not a tough system to implement, and I'm sure we could see decent OSS solutions pretty quickly.

    I just wonder how proprietary the hardware and software components of this system are really going to be... I guess that remains to be seen.

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  9. This is not new, and it is good. by kawika · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Microsoft (and Intel, and now HP, give them their credit as well) have been pushing and prodding the hardware guys into progress for more than a decade. The problem is that most hardware companies have no vision, no desire to innovate, no sense of design.

    I've been to every WinHEC for the last few years and every year Microsoft is urging the hardware vendors to drop the legacy stuff. ISA slots suck and make Plug-and-Play a miserable experience, but we're only now seeing their complete and total death in new products. Microsoft and Intel pushed the standards to get rid of them.

    Most PCs are built from standard components with standard dimensions and standard interfaces. Everything is interchangable. That decoupling has made the PC industry great and driven prices way down, but the Apple counterexample shows what tight integration and some design sense can buy you in both hardware and software. Both Microsoft and Intel would like to see a bit more innovation going on, and WinHEC is one place that they try to make their case.

  10. Re:Ah, another MS lockdown by Yohahn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea that "locking down users, promotes productivity" is a myth that is derived from scientific management (A useful tool, but not based in enough fact).

    While a more controled environment will reduce problems from the least knowledgable of workers, it will also reduce the capabilities of the smartest/most creative employees.

    What's the first question you ask yourself when you see a user that is doing something that could have been prevented with lockdown? For me it is:
    "Who hired this one?"

    This gets to the truth. Many people in companies aren't able to handle their responsabilities. They either need to be trained, disciplined, let go, or "locked down".

    When an organization chooses to lock down systems, however, they kill creativity. I'd recommend one of the other options.

    In order to optomize human organizations, you must look at how HUMANS work (not machines, that's what scientific management does).

  11. Good to see some progress here! by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    locking Linux out of the desktop market

    Ah, the usual Slashdot-spin tagline. Gotta love 'em.

    PCs have become messes, and it's a worthy goal to try to deal with that. Kudos to Apple for taking some steps in the right direction, such as eliminating floppy drives and switching to LCD monitors for home models. That's just the beginning. PCs are still based around what's essentially become pointless upgrading, something that is now completely ignored by everyone except a certain set of gamers and hardware fanboys. (If you aren't shooting for bleeding edge games, any video card made since 2000 and any sound card made since 1995--including motherboard sound--is just grand.)

    Linux, for me, is only worthwhile if it improves the overall computing experience. It does that well, for some things, but for others it has become a retro object d'art. Perhaps the most damning thing about Linux is the hugely conservative community surrounding it. Cries of "If you want change then _you_ do it" and endless arguments about sticking with Emacs and the X11 standard are all so inbred and meaningless. I will make fun of Microsoft along with everyone else as long as Bill Gates & company are stagnant and producing poor products. But as much as I hate to say it, they're moving forward with some interesting ideas. Sure, those ideas aren't original (what is?) but the key is that they have a direction and purpose.

  12. Lock Linux out? by ajs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Heck, they couldn't lock Linux out of their game-console, what makes them think they can lock it out of a desktop PC?!