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Gates on Digital Restrictions Technologies

doormat writes "According to this article, Gates says you can choose not to use the new secure PC technology that they're developing. Is that going to be a choice like being a vegetarian, or like choosing not to eat at all?" There's also a short piece about DRM and Linux, which is a follow-up to Linus on DRM.

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  1. If you opt out by Jimhotep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I opt out what will stop working?

    How will I know for sure I am out?

    1. Re:If you opt out by crazyphilman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You'll NEVER know. Actually, since they're planning on implementing a software kernel (like a mini-OS) in a BIOS chip, you won't know what it's doing at all. That secure channel between the motherboard, the video, and the peripherals? It's still there even if you "turn off" DRM. So, how do you know it isn't snooping on you? Or deliberately slowing down your non-DRM processing? Or, even non-deliberately slowing it down -- do you think they're going to waste QA time on those of us who reject their pet project? It's just a big mess.

      I'll tell you this much: I don't trust Microsoft and Intel not to completely screw up the system in one way or another. They've both turned out some seriously buggy stuff over the years. Remember the floating point bug? Remember the latest Microsoft vulnerability? Remember the Intel chip-ID brouhaha? I don't trust either company. And, AMD is playing along too, so where are we going to turn?

      I'm telling you guys -- stock up on fast systems now, while you can. Get all your computer purchasing out of the way this year, and skip the whole DRM thing entirely. If you're *really* forced to, you can always buy a cheapo, 500.00 box/appliance down the road (just for DRM purposes) and code on your *good* pre-Palladium machines.

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  2. The technology by Bendebecker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The technology is going to be like cars. You don't need one but not having one is a restriction in itself.

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    There's a growing sense that even if The Future comes,
    most of us won't be able to afford it.
    -- Lemmy
    1. Re:The technology by dAzED1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      My god, listen to you people...

      The technology is going to be like cars. You don't need one but not having one is a restriction in itself.

      Really? I mean, I personally think of automobiles as a huge technological breakthrough, the culmination of a lot of extremely signigicant technologies. It is one of the things that most impacted the 20th century. Do you REALLY think DRM is like that???

      Get a grip, people. If you wanna use windows, keep using windows2000 or xp, then you'll be safe in your drm-free world. And then when this MS bumble fails like so many other MS things have, everyone will see it for what it is. Is passport used the way MS said it would be? No. I could go on, but you're all too busy running for fear that the sky is falling.

      TIP: The world is revolving around the US less and less every day. There will be more than plenty of places you can get things from that do what you want to do, even if all of windows gets drm-locked-down. They're a whole world out there - check it out.

    2. Re:The technology by JimDabell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really? I mean, I personally think of automobiles as a huge technological breakthrough, the culmination of a lot of extremely signigicant technologies. It is one of the things that most impacted the 20th century. Do you REALLY think DRM is like that???

      Way to miss the point. He didn't say he thought that any more than he said he thought that DRM had wheels on the bottom.

      Get a grip, people. If you wanna use windows, keep using windows2000 or xp, then you'll be safe in your drm-free world.

      You are also free to carry on using Windows 95 today... oh, but it's been EOLed, so no more security patches - hope you don't need to access an untrusted network, like, say, the Internet.

      TIP: The world is revolving around the US less and less every day. There will be more than plenty of places you can get things from that do what you want to do, even if all of windows gets drm-locked-down. They're a whole world out there - check it out.

      TIP: It's not just in the USA that Microsoft has a monopoly in computers.

  3. Sounds like starving to me... by Bendy+Chief · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Verbatim from the article:

    "They just don't understand," Gates said. "That's like saying because we make a word processor, that reporters write what we want them to write or something. I can give you examples to prove that's not the case." (About antitrust fears with DRM)

    Wow. He sure allayed my fears. What he meant to say is, no, they don't have to write what he wants, but they do have to write in the FORMAT he wants, or get left behind. This whole DRM off-switch issue is the same quandary. Turn DRM off and watch your access to many online resources, that are becoming more and more integrated with daily life, vanish. Not to mention the suspicion that very well may come with shunning DRM. "What do you have to hide?", say Mr. Poindexter and Mr. Ashcroft.

    1. Re:Sounds like starving to me... by will_die · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You mean like the EULA from some microsoft products that read

      "You may not use the software in connection with any site that disparages Microsoft, MSN, MSNBC, Expedia, or their products or services, infringe any intellectual property or other rights of these parties, violate any state federal or international law, or promote racism, hatred, or pornography."
      ?
      For more info try this article

  4. Terrorist tool? by gillbates · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Creators of top-secret government documents, financial records or other sensitive material could assign rights to sensitive files, allowing them to be viewed only on trusted computers running the system. Anyone else -- hackers and malicious programs included -- would be locked out.

    Maybe it's just me, but I would think that such a system would also enable terrorists to send "sensitive files" to each other, with the full confidence that law enforcement could not read them.

    Consider the above statement reworded a little:

    Creators of top-secret documents, terrorist plans or other sensitive material could assign rights to sensitive files, allowing them to be viewed only on trusted computers running the system. Anyone else -- FBI hackers, law enforcement and malicious programs included -- would be locked out.
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  5. You know... by dethl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Consumers shouldn't be worried that Microsoft Corp.'s new security technology will wrest control of their PCs and give it to media companies, Bill Gates said Tuesday.

    And we're supposed to believe someone who has a pretty good grip on the OS situation, and would do anything to keep that grip? Personally, I would rather have the chance of being hacked but also have the ability to do anything I want on my computer. I don't want a company telling me what I can and cannot do with my own computer. If we allow them to do this, who knows how much farther these guys will go?

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    "Some fight for law. Some fight for justice. What will you fight for? One day, you will see."
  6. is it just me ? by ramzak2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why has security been linked so much DRM these days ? Whenever i read an article on some kind of rights management initiative - there is almost talk about securing the PC. Security & DRM are two different things ! wih gates works on them individually.

    Its amazing how the quote from Benjamin dude works so well here.
    Those who are willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security

    Seems like there always was , will be people trying to take away freedom under the pretext of security - even in computing !

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    Siggy Say, Siggy Do
  7. Yeah yeah... by spacefight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the interview, Gates said it's up to other companies to ensure interoperability.

    Thank you Microsoft. No need for comments here.

  8. Security! Security! Security! by mrpuffypants · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The people that microsoft constantly tout that the DRM features are designed to integrate security with the hardware and the software. How the hell can I trust a company that consistently falls down on security with their software products to "protect" my hardware?

    I don't have a big problem with Windows being insecure, because data can be backed up and restored painlessly, but if their brand of "security" extends to my hardware then I may have to be forced to constantly replace hard drives that spin at 40,000 RPM because of "security" flaws befor a patch can be released.

    The whole Palladium/DRM issue is about trust. They don't have it for me and I don't have it for them.

  9. Shakes head in frustration by molarmass192 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So long as software is read and interpreted by some piece of hardware, there will ALWAYS exist the possibility of hacking that software. Yeah you can create monster keys from hell and lock them down in hardware but, as the XBox project has shown, all it takes is a bug in a signed piece of software and you can kiss your secured system bye bye. Also, there may be exploits available in the firmware itself and there's the popular brute force attack too. If you connect a box (Microsoft, Linux, Mac, etc) to any network, you implicitly accept a certain level of risk of being compromised. This effort will just lead to more complacency. The only truly 100% secured system system is one that's powered off.

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    Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws-Plato
  10. Re:Sure...we can use pencils by blahlemon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You've got it exactly, Windows right now and probably the first couple of releases will run just fine on normal hardware but how long will it be before the hardware manufactures stop running two product lines, one secure and one open? And once that happens why would Microsoft continue to provide a version that runs on unsecure hardware?

    I think a big problem with this is the companies are trying to use hardware restrictions on a primarily social problem. It's not the big companies that are providing their movies and music on a digital format that is being distributed. It's regular people who are taking camcorders into theatres and recording the movie, then downloading it onto their computer and sharing it. How can a hardware restriction effect a user created file if the user doesn't apply rights to it? You would have to disable all file mobility.

    Trying to lock down the movie and sound formats won't work either because people will either (a) use older formats or (b) create their own players to be shared with the movies and music.

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  11. Re:Be careful what you wish for by clonebarkins · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...I think many people have reached the point where they will view computing with mistrust until security can pretty much be guaranteed...

    There is no such thing as guaranteed security.

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    "The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it." -- Ayn Rand

  12. Pushing the right buttons by smartin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    M$ is going to be successful at this because they know what buttons to push:
    • You will be safe from viruses.
    • You will be able to avoid spam.
    • You can protect your content.
    • We will enable delivery of digital content.
    • Tigher system security.

    The people that respond to these buttons will be the government, content and software companies, corporations and joe dumb user. Most of these people either don't think about or care about the hidden agenda chained to M$'s master plan. This agenda includes:
    • Expansion of the the monopoly by locking out competators.
    • New monopoly in content encapsulation and delivery.
    • Absolute control of what will and will not run on a PC.
    • Loss of fair use.
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