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Libranet 2.8 Review
TheMadPenguin writes "When I heard about Libranet 2.8 containing KDE 3.1 and kernel 2.4.20 in our forums, I just about fell out of the chair I was sitting in. As you all probably already know, Libranet is a Debian-based distro aimed toward the desktop user. Until now, I had never heard of a Debian release with all the newest goodies, but my world was about to get turned upside down. Read the full review with screenshots at MadPenguin.org."
To me this seems realy quite good.
It sets up many of the thing a new linux user wants by default. (AA fonts for one)This is somthing that realy is a must 'cus theres nothing worse than trying to read crappy fonts, and its a big put off when you try and change.
I know things like this are relativly simple, but there not when you're new.
Mike
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But it crashed on him, serveral times, during a partition/installation. So, this "review" constitutes him praising Anti Aliasing and a bunch of useless crap you can find in any other distro.
What I really don't understand is why some distros supply screenshots on their webpage, or why there is screenshots in reviews. If this was redhat, with it's special kde & gnome mixture thing (correct me if i am wrong), it would be OK, but this is just plain KDE 3.x. I am running Debian myself, and I don't see any difference in this KDE and the KDE I am using, okey there is a few new icons, but that would be the only thing.
And what is the big deal with Libranet beeing shipped with KDE 3.1 anyway? It's not that new and debian unstable has had it for some time now. The same with Linux 2.4.20, it has been stable for some time now, and it's not new! Still it is looking nice for the desktop with it's GUI frontends for package management, and maybe it has some other nice tools as well.
Note to self: get smarter troll to guard door.
Registry / .not / mono !
What the hell is driving you to MS? Alot of people don't like the direction you seem to want gnome to head. Claiming KDE is sorta less than free while you are busy trying to clone a patent mined technology produced by one of the most virulant software companies in recent memory is absurd to say least.
I went to libranet site to see download options.
The Downloads are not free!!. This is certainly a first from a linux distro. I doubt i will pay to download isos!!
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The reason is quite simple. As a Free Software follower, I don't want to use any software which doesn't give the freedoms/rights I want for myself and everyone else.
In less abstract terms: I don't want to agree to Reals license agreements or use their software, because it doesn't allow to do the things I should be allowed to do: study how it works, make changes to it and distribute derivative works (I would need the source code, and permission to use it for this to be possible). If you hang on a while I'll post another reply with some extracts from some of the EULAs.
I frequently get bashed here at slashdot for saying such things, but if don't have any control over the software (i.e. it's proprietary and/or non-free), then I don't want to use it -- no matter how good it is. If you want to know some of the reasons why non-free software is bad then go read up on GNU's philosophy section. Even if you find you don't agree with the GNU philosophy, you should know about it, because any GNU/Linux system (including Libranet) is build on and with GNU tools (and a lot of other of course, GNU should'nt be getting all the credit).
Debian does not force you to take this approach; you choose to.
;)
If you wan't bleeding edge, use unstable/testing.
Yes -- Debian stable has programs that are (in some cases) slightly out of date, and do not have the features of newest releases. The clue is in the name, though; they have been rigourously tested for stability. If you want to sacrifice stability (aimed more at servers) for features (aimed more at desktops), use unstable/testing. You don't even have to have all programs as unstable/testing -- you can choose which ones to pin where.
When will people stop criticising Debian for being conservative when it isn't; Debian does have bleeding edge versions of most of the packages available, in the unstable/testing repositories. You *just* have to tell it to use them.
Now I'll have my coffee and moan less
Manta
It didn't fail because of 533 MHz and 128 MB RAM, it failed because of some incompatible hardware. Thats's a big difference, and claiming that Libranet draws too much resources is simply ridiculous.
Be careful with your quoting as well. Your mix of article quotes and personal comments is really misleading.
My computer is an Athlon 875mhz with 512mb of ram & 7200rpm hdd - this should be fine as a desktop computer for a long time in theory, but WinXP from 2001 would run slowly on it, and Linux distros run like a dog on it. I know there is custom compiling and the like, but I can't be bothered and it shouldn't be needed anyway. No computer I've seen has been faster to use from an end-user standpoint than my DX4-100 with Windows 3.11.
To need such a ghz computer to just boot up at a decent speed is nuts - there was a time a decade ago when Unix had different principals, when hackers were hackers and not just selfish fun-centric ultra ghz 20somethings, when many a Unix had a lighter footprint than Windows (and Windows was feather light back then compared with now).
Should I care about a new distro coming out? When I know it will run slowly on my computer and I will be forced to upgrade all the time because Linux is always needing security patches and the software turnover rate such that nobody without broadband can keep up. And if I used Linux fulltime, that even if I got a brand new computer, that I'd be forced to upgrade it every couple of years to run the thing at the same speed because Linux bloats so fast. If Linux's objective on the desktop is to do things 'right', then it is as bad at that objective as Windows is as a server OS, perhaps far worse. I used to think geeks were out of touch, but I now think most just don't even care.
The Linux community aren't exactly top of the pops in the corporate world, much in fact due to their rather immature birdlike mascot.
:)
Immature? Rubbish. It reflects what the linux developers are doing perfectly. Not trying to be corporate, not trying to be 'top of the pops'. Simply making cool stuff because they enjoy doing it. It's upto the various distros to present that processional 'corporate' face. And they are doing it just fine thank you very much.
Considering this, and the recent problems Linux have had with corporate penetration, I can't see why domain names like Mad Penguin are chosen.
Maybe because the owner of the domain liked the name? *shrug*
The only effect is to drive away potential serious customers.
Again, this is a distro specific thing. Redhat and Debian both are very well presented. Presentation is not the problem, not by a long shot.
What's in a name?
... but still)
:-)
Debian's myth of not being up to date, is partly the result of, well, not the best marketing: the distribution is divided into stable, testing and unstable. Stable is where most newcomers look, wouldn't you, for the current working distro. It sounds reassuring. However, unstable is a bit of a misnomer, because while we understand that it is not "guaranteed" in the same way to be stable, it is by no means unstable, it is rather where the new stuff is to be found, and what most newcommers to Linux are looking for, the latest and greatest, and yes you do run the occasional risk of running into mishaps.
Debian should seriously consider changing the name unstable, or providing an another alias that is a bit more reassuring - Sid is one, but Sid now maps to unstable.
I am not sure what would do the trick, I would suggest depreciating the name "unstable" for "development" or something more snazzy like "cutting-edge".
Whilst at it, Debian developers should get on with it and borrow more quickly from Knoppix, offer a re-mastered jigdo version of it as an alternative installer... Installation should be as quick and painless as possible. (i forget Debian is very concerned about catering for a multitude of processors that makes this difficult
It is post installation Debian installation that is such a joy (and i don't care what i use so long as i get it!).
No other distro i have used comes close when it comes to ease of management, and keeping up to date; and i a factoring time as an important element here. I use Gnu/Linux to do things other than Gnu/Linux. (well for source based distros i am curious about Sourcerer, and its related branches Source Madge, and Lunar Linux)...
But post installation Debian gets the balance right between keeping up to date, and time spent.
Think Debian
what are you talking about? Debian/Sid has been broken only 2 times so far (after woody came out), and I dist-upgrade every night at 23:45.
And what the hell is wrong with that 'article', is that one more of those 'paidrticles'? 'fell off my chair', now, there's someone in need to meet a woman (or a man, whatever).
fucktard is a tenderhearted description
You seem to be suffering from the misconception that Linux is some kind of business "product" which must be "marketed" to "customers". Please disabuse yourself of this notion. Linus chose the fat penguin logo because it was cute and funny. He doesn't give a dang if it makes the project seem less "professional", and neither do most of the rest of us penguinistas.
If some company (redhat, lindows, libranet, suse) wants to package and sell the work of the community to their customers, then the marketing of Linux is their problem; don't try to foist it off on us, because we could not care less.
In short, Linux is not a business! So don't expect us to behave like businesspeople.
Liberal (adj.): Free from bigotry; open to progress; tolerant of others.
I'm well aware of the reasons for the delay. And guess what? I don't care for their reasons! All I care is that is the software in there or isn't it. And in this case, it wasn't. Other distros had them, Debian did not. So the people who say that Unstable is cutting-edge, are simply wrong. Perhaps it would be closer to the truth is they said "Unstable is more or less current, unless some big and important packages are againg being held back indefinitely because they are implementing some changes".
Yes, they were migrating to GCC3 and that was the cause for the delay. So what? fact remains that the software was delayed and that means that Unstable is not bleeding edge. That is a FACT. And that means that one should not do the "Debian unstable is bleeding edge" party-line if it's not true.
Of course, every other distro were also migrating to GCC3 back then, yet they were running the new software alot sooner than Debian was...
Perhaps other parts of Unstable are more current, but again: I don't care! I don't care if Unstable has YetAnotherApp0.05 whereas other distros still have YetAnotherApp0.04, if big and important packages are delayed. And Xfree and KDE are pretty damn big and important in my book!
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Say what you will. I recently picked up SuSE 8.2 pro and goddamn if the package system doesn't rock.
Checks dependancy, if there is an issue you can delete the offending apps, or install the needed bit. All with a click it calcualtes everything at once, or auto on the go.
The online updates are German precision.
The SuSE reptile is very cute.
All in all, the only desktop linux. The rest are for servers, period.