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Grid Computing at a Glance

An anonymous reader writes "Grid computing is the "next big thing," and this article's goal is to provide a "10,000-foot view" of key concepts. This article relates many Grid computing concepts to known quantities for developers, such as object-oriented programming, XML, and Web services. The author offers a reading list of white papers, articles, and books where you can find out more about Grid computing."

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  1. Selling your cycles by shokk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And with this change in computing comes another challenge. Not every company has applications that would benefit from distributed computing, but many do. The challenge is making a secure environment that will allow Company A to send their data *and* the software to process that data down the pipe to Company B for processing, meter the usage, and charge back the service. From what I have seen, no farm is really ever utilized 100% of the time, but there are crunch periods where something has to be simulated within a certain timeframe and the existing throughput on hand is not enough. It is those crunch times where you could really use a few trillion spare cycles.

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  2. Next big thing? Again? by skaffen42 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Grid computing is the "next big thing"

    But I thought that this was the next "killer app"?

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  3. it's not all about the cycles by kcm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Grid computing is not about making a giant computing farm out of a bunch of distributed machines.

    see, that's the major fallacy of the hype behind "The Grid". yes, one of the benefits can be seen in the supercomputing realm, where you can link up many different machines (we haven't gotten to doing this between architectures yet, mind you) to make a gianto-machine.

    however, the key in *all* of this is the technologies that allow for that to happen, along with the data transfer, authentication, and authorization, et al, that have to happen.

    as far as cycles go, no, we probably won't see a dynamically created, scheduled, and allocated meta-supercomputer anytime soon. most companies will use these technologies to make static or mostly-static links between a few select sites and partners for now.

    however, these protocols (GridFTP, ack), standards (OGSA, ...), and ideas are the important part here. having these "Grid" concepts built into every new technology (filesystems: NFSv4, security: Globus GSI, etc.) will allow these linkups, data transfer, and whatever we may awnt to do, to happen much more efficiently in the future.

    to wit: the killer app in "The Grid" is not to make a giant supercomputer. it's to develop a lot of different ideas and technologies which allow for resource sharing (at the general level, among other things) to occur in a standardized, efficient, and logical fashion in the future. noone will use all of them, but the key is to use what you need from what "The Grid" encompasses. that's why it's referred to as "The Third Wave of Computing"!

    1. Re:it's not all about the cycles by SilverSun · · Score: 3, Informative

      Grid computing is not about making a giant computing farm out of a bunch of distributed machines.


      Make that "not" a "not only", and I totally agree with you. See, I work with EDG (european data grid, based e.g. on Globus authentication) on a daly basis. And for us it is merely a tool to make exactly that, namely a giant computing farm out of our computing farms in USA, UK, France, and Germany. It really sucks to log into all our datacenters and see where the batch queues are least utilizised. With the grid, all our batch farms look like a single farm and I just submit my job and don't need to care where in the world it is running. That is exactly the small part of the "Grid" cloud which we are picking for us.


      Now to the cycle based selling of our spare time. You would be surprized to hear how many hours I spend a week to implement exactly this. The finance department calculated the prize of lost cycles our farm had the last quartal and it will probably pay out for us to spent 0.5 FullTimeEmployees to work on trying to sell those on a three years timescale.


      There are many aspects of "Grid Computing", as you say, but most if not all of them are based on large scale science projects (me) or on big business. I am most curious to see if Grid computing will eventually find it's way to a home user. I heard that Sony is using Grid tech. to connect computing centers which are supposed to host multi-player games. The home user will most likely not get in touch with the Grid soon though.

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  4. I can see it now... by newsdee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1. e-mails with "EARN $$$ DOING NOTHING"
    2. spyware that not only spies but also hijacks your CPU cycles for remote computation
    3. dubious companies selling "grid computing" service pop up all over the place
    4. ...
    5. Profit?

    It may look funny, but what if the next version of Windows comes embedded with this kind of thing? All it would take would be some marketing genius to convince enough people. (disclaimer: yes this is slightly paranoid, it's not intended to be MS bashing, just an example on how this technology could be misused).

  5. NOT the next big thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You obviously didn't get the memo

    I happen to know that beowulf clusters of quantum iPods, built by nanobots, running social software, using a Post-OOP paradigm and a journaled filesystem over a wireless IPv6 network to make profit with a subscription-based publishing model will be the next big thing.

  6. More grid info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sun is heavily involved in Grid computing. They provide free multiplatform grid software (including for Linux), case studies, white papers, etc.

    They also host an open source project Grid Engine for the software. The software used to be commercial, but Sun bought it and open sourced it, like they did with Open Office.

  7. Never mainstream by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just an inverted version of the "network computing" universe where we all use thin clients that use a central server to do work. It can never become mainstream due to the physical limitations, not the technology ones. Suppose I am a corporation and I need a new big-iron system to process daily orders from our web site. Let's try grid computing: all 1000 employees in the company install a piece of software on their PC so we can use each PC to process an order, based on availability. The number of problems with this, as compared to using a central server, is incredible.

    1) Still need a central server for storage/backup
    2) One server needs one UPS, 1000 workstations...
    3) Worsktations are flaky: They reboot, crash, play video games, etc. The distributed software can handle this, but the inefficiency involved is painstaking. I hope everybody doesn't run Windows Update all at once, or all the PCs could go down.
    4) The corporate network is now a bottleneck.

    I rattled off this list in about 30 seconds, so I'm sure there are lots more. Since these are physical limitations, not technology limitations, they aren't going away.

    1. Re:Never mainstream by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      3) Worsktations are flaky:

      _Your_ workstation may be flakey, but real workstations are not:

      peu@elrsr-4 peu $ uptime 19:33:50 up 140 days, 2:01, 3 users, load average: 0.26, 0.26, 0.14

      So grid computing gives you just one more reason to move your company desktops to AIX, Linux, BSD, IRIX, or other competent operating system of your choice.

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  8. Re:It Could be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh bullshit. Every layer of abstraction costs you.
    The fact that desktop pc's are 5-20% utilized is why you can just claim another layer of abstraction won't hurt you.

    --- now please go and find me a list of things that "needs distributed".

    -- next from your list remove any jobs that do not parallelize in to chunks of data that can fit in common machines --- yes the grid will have some big boxen, but do you think you are going to reliably get farmed onto one of those?

    -- next from the remainder that you have managed to parallelize into small chunks, please remove those in which the chunks have to have any significant interdependence because you don't have any control of the net-ography of the grid and latency will be a killer.

    -- now remove any notion you have about "generic db queries" unless you are going to have many redundant db systems on the grid. If you don't have redundancy the network latency will kill you. If you do have redundancy and the db query is sufficently complex as to need service by something other than your desktop PC then you'll probably want some beefy hardware out there... which you want to use not necessarily share

    -- what's left? Things that occur to me: analysis of nuclear and particle physics data (that's where the grid idea started!), genomics research, cryptography, SETI@home and whatever else @home. The key point is that none of these are applicable to corporate IT unless you are doing say genomics. Do you think that genomics resarch companies are going to ever allow their data to be handled outside a structure they can micro-manage -- there are giga-dollars at play.

    The grid has it's place, but the myth of:
    1)plug my computer into grid
    2)have access to limitless resources
    3)do amazing things

    is as goofy as the dot-bomb business plans that forgot to figure out a $profit$ step.

    If you aren't doing amazing things outside the grid what makes you think adding 10000x the horsepower will change anything. The grid is at best a tool. If it meets the needs of your niche market you win big. If your problem(s) don't fit the grid then you gain nothing.

  9. Software Architectures for Grid Computing by Jack+William+Bell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have given a lot of thought to this concept in the past and, although I think it has a lot of merit I also think it will require a different underlying software architecture than any of those we use today.

    Currently for distributed computing we have Thin-Client/Fat-Server, Client/Server, N-Tier and Shared-Node architectures. I think most people are expecting a Shared-Node or Client/Server for Grid Computing because that is how existing implementations work. The issue with either of those is the size of the work unit. If the work unit is small than the nodes/clients must sychronize often. If the work unit is large then you are more likley to have nodes/clients in a wait state because required processing is not completed.

    Using a network style architecture (distributed Shared-Node) raises more issues because of message routing. Interestingly, this is the 'web-service' model! For example a web site must verify a customer, charge her credit card, initiate a shipping action and order from a factory in a single transaction. So you get four sub-transactions. Let's say that each of those initiates two sub-transactions of its own and each of those initiates one sub transaction of its own. We now have a total of twenty transactions in a hierarchy that is three deep. Let's also assume that we only have one dependancy (the verification) before launching all other transactions asychronously.

    The problem here is response times, they add up. if the average response time is 500 ms, then three transactions deep gives us 1500 ms. The dependacy, at a minimum, doubles this. So it takes three full seconds to commit the transaction. Something a user might be willing to live with until a netstorm occurs and the response time drops to thirty seconds or more. (Note: Isn't it funny how you never see this math done in the whitepapers pusing web services?) But three seconds is far too long for sychronizing between nodes of a distributed computing grid unless you only have to do it every once in a great while, pushing us towards large work units and idle nodes!

    So the Internet itself imposes costs on a distributed model that wouldn't exist on, say, a Beowulf cluster because that cluster would have a dedicated high-speed network. Client/Server architectures work better for the Internet, but require dedicated servers and a lot of bandwidth to and from them.

    I believe the real answer lies in what I call a Cell architecture. This would require servers, but their job would be to hook up nodes into computing 'cells' consisting of one to N (where N is less than 256?) nodes. Each node would download a work-unit from the server appropriately sized to the cell, along with net addresses of the other nodes in the cell. Communication would occur between the nodes until the computation is complete and then the result would be sent back to the server. When a node completes its work unit (even if all computation for the cell is not complete) it detaches and contacts the server for another cell assignment.

    By reducing cross-talk to direct contact between nodes within the cell we allow smaller work units. By using a server to coordinate nodes into cells we are allowed to treat the cells as larger virtual work units.

    Comments?

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  10. Just 10000 feet? Bah! by arvindn · · Score: 4, Funny
    They're talking about the grid being distributed across the globe... what kind of a view can you get from 10000 ft?

    ;^)

  11. Some problems. by Duncan3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First off, this stuff has been completely mainstream for over 30 years now. The only thing new is that it keeps getting renamed, This year it's called GRID. I remember when it was called timesharing, and Time magazine had cartoons depicting it is 1973.

    The entire GRID standard actually only covers the data transfer and login. Becasue that's the only thing standard about the different types of hardware. You still need to write the software specific to the hardware. Even with tools like MPI programming for Sun big iron is nothing at all like IBM big iron. And you dont exactly use Java. The value is not in the software - that's why it's getting standardized and is given away for free. The value, as always, is in owning a huge pool of computing power and renting it out, or even better, selling it in racks full.

    The only people benefiting financially are the people that make the hardware - IBM, HP, Sun, Fujitsu, etc. Just like 30 years ago. Open Source has completely devalued the software - why pay for that, money is better spent on more hardware.

    Then there is the cost of transporting the terabytes of data involved in the types of problems you do with these systems. Transport costs are more then the computing costs in many cases - another reason that part got standardized.

    Hardware costs are falling FAST. Blade mounted and racked CPU are running about $500/Ghz ($7k for the same from IBM). That means for about 1 million you can get something like 2K CPUs and 2Thz of power, running Linux and all the tools you need. Thats a lot of FLOPS.

    For those kinds of costs, outsourcing it at seems silly. You still have to do all software development, data transport, post-processing, and research yourself anyway, and those costs DWARF the hardware/electricity/HVAC costs of owning the hardware and having exclusive access 24/7 until the next updgrade.

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  12. Good for CPU bound processes only by stanwirth · · Score: 4, Informative

    As we discovered early on in MIMD parallel computing, MIMD (aka grid computing) parallelism can only really help processes that are CPU bound in the first place.

    Most of the processes that require 'big iron' are memory bound and I/O bound--e.g. databases that are hundreds of gigabytes to terabytes in size. This is why so many CPUs are '90% idle' in the first place, and this is why system designers devote more attention to bit-striping their disks, a good RAID controller, bus speeds, disk seek time and so forth.

    Problems that require brute-force computation on small amounts of data, and produce small results, are simply few and far between -- and the people addressing those problems have been onto MIMD for decades. For instance, my first publication, in 1987 to the USENIX UNIX on Supercomputers proceedings, involved putting ODE solvers wrapped in Sun RPC, so that hundreds of servers could work on a different part of initial condition and boundary condition space, to provide a complete picture of the properties of certain nonlinear ordinary differential equations. Cryptanalysis and protein folding problems are already being addressed in a similar manner, and the tools to distribute these services as well as the required communications standards have been around for more than a decade.

    Furthermore, if you've already got a marginally communications-bound domain decomposition of a parallel problem, and you want to cut down the communications overhead in order to take advantage of MIMD parallelism, the last communications protocol you're going to use is a high-overhead one such as CORBA, or a text-based message protocol such as XML. Both XDR and MPI are faster, more stable and better established in the scientific computing community than Yet Another layer of MIMD middleware--which is all Grid Computing is.

  13. TeraGrid by kst · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here is a large Grid project that I'm working on.