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Grid Computing at a Glance

An anonymous reader writes "Grid computing is the "next big thing," and this article's goal is to provide a "10,000-foot view" of key concepts. This article relates many Grid computing concepts to known quantities for developers, such as object-oriented programming, XML, and Web services. The author offers a reading list of white papers, articles, and books where you can find out more about Grid computing."

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  1. Selling your cycles by shokk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And with this change in computing comes another challenge. Not every company has applications that would benefit from distributed computing, but many do. The challenge is making a secure environment that will allow Company A to send their data *and* the software to process that data down the pipe to Company B for processing, meter the usage, and charge back the service. From what I have seen, no farm is really ever utilized 100% of the time, but there are crunch periods where something has to be simulated within a certain timeframe and the existing throughput on hand is not enough. It is those crunch times where you could really use a few trillion spare cycles.

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  2. Next big thing? Again? by skaffen42 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Grid computing is the "next big thing"

    But I thought that this was the next "killer app"?

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  3. it's not all about the cycles by kcm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Grid computing is not about making a giant computing farm out of a bunch of distributed machines.

    see, that's the major fallacy of the hype behind "The Grid". yes, one of the benefits can be seen in the supercomputing realm, where you can link up many different machines (we haven't gotten to doing this between architectures yet, mind you) to make a gianto-machine.

    however, the key in *all* of this is the technologies that allow for that to happen, along with the data transfer, authentication, and authorization, et al, that have to happen.

    as far as cycles go, no, we probably won't see a dynamically created, scheduled, and allocated meta-supercomputer anytime soon. most companies will use these technologies to make static or mostly-static links between a few select sites and partners for now.

    however, these protocols (GridFTP, ack), standards (OGSA, ...), and ideas are the important part here. having these "Grid" concepts built into every new technology (filesystems: NFSv4, security: Globus GSI, etc.) will allow these linkups, data transfer, and whatever we may awnt to do, to happen much more efficiently in the future.

    to wit: the killer app in "The Grid" is not to make a giant supercomputer. it's to develop a lot of different ideas and technologies which allow for resource sharing (at the general level, among other things) to occur in a standardized, efficient, and logical fashion in the future. noone will use all of them, but the key is to use what you need from what "The Grid" encompasses. that's why it's referred to as "The Third Wave of Computing"!

    1. Re:it's not all about the cycles by SilverSun · · Score: 3, Informative

      Grid computing is not about making a giant computing farm out of a bunch of distributed machines.


      Make that "not" a "not only", and I totally agree with you. See, I work with EDG (european data grid, based e.g. on Globus authentication) on a daly basis. And for us it is merely a tool to make exactly that, namely a giant computing farm out of our computing farms in USA, UK, France, and Germany. It really sucks to log into all our datacenters and see where the batch queues are least utilizised. With the grid, all our batch farms look like a single farm and I just submit my job and don't need to care where in the world it is running. That is exactly the small part of the "Grid" cloud which we are picking for us.


      Now to the cycle based selling of our spare time. You would be surprized to hear how many hours I spend a week to implement exactly this. The finance department calculated the prize of lost cycles our farm had the last quartal and it will probably pay out for us to spent 0.5 FullTimeEmployees to work on trying to sell those on a three years timescale.


      There are many aspects of "Grid Computing", as you say, but most if not all of them are based on large scale science projects (me) or on big business. I am most curious to see if Grid computing will eventually find it's way to a home user. I heard that Sony is using Grid tech. to connect computing centers which are supposed to host multi-player games. The home user will most likely not get in touch with the Grid soon though.

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    2. Re:it's not all about the cycles by shokk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A lot of these concepts are what we are waiting for. We have a server farm that is metered by resources available from license servers, but the data is geographically separated so licenses available at one site may not be available at others. Technologies that allow reliable data transfer (NFSv4?) might enable this, but it also needs to be calculated whether the amount of time it takes to transfer the data will be longer than it takes to process the data. Not all our sites have multiple T1s so it may be cheaper to just boost the size of those lines vs buying $100k licenses. Total grid computing sounds very possible when you talk about breaking the job down to "Add register 1 and register 2" but the task of breaking the job down to that size and transferring to a remote system canh take so much longer than actually doing that locally. Some larger granularity will be needed to make it efficient to transfer a job remotely.

      As I mentioned in my post, "secure" handling would be the first requirement. Security and encryption must go without saying. In order to further ensure security, a job must be as widely spread as possible. If I split an aerodynamic simulation in encrypted fashion across 100 compute farm services I am much more secure than if I did the same thing with a single service.

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  4. I can see it now... by newsdee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1. e-mails with "EARN $$$ DOING NOTHING"
    2. spyware that not only spies but also hijacks your CPU cycles for remote computation
    3. dubious companies selling "grid computing" service pop up all over the place
    4. ...
    5. Profit?

    It may look funny, but what if the next version of Windows comes embedded with this kind of thing? All it would take would be some marketing genius to convince enough people. (disclaimer: yes this is slightly paranoid, it's not intended to be MS bashing, just an example on how this technology could be misused).

  5. NOT the next big thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You obviously didn't get the memo

    I happen to know that beowulf clusters of quantum iPods, built by nanobots, running social software, using a Post-OOP paradigm and a journaled filesystem over a wireless IPv6 network to make profit with a subscription-based publishing model will be the next big thing.

  6. More grid info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sun is heavily involved in Grid computing. They provide free multiplatform grid software (including for Linux), case studies, white papers, etc.

    They also host an open source project Grid Engine for the software. The software used to be commercial, but Sun bought it and open sourced it, like they did with Open Office.

  7. grid computing... by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    sounds a lot like good 'ole fashioned SMP to me, with a lot more disk space. As we all here know, not all computer-related tasks work well in a multi-processor platform, and as someone who has played with SMP programming, it certainly adds an order-of-magnitude level of complexity to try to harness the full power of SMP in your code. Compilers help, but not much...

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  8. Re:It Could be by adz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There was work on developing an OO style grid, but toolkit style grids (e.g.) globus seem more likely to enter general usage.

    Basically the toolkit approach implements a low level set of common grid functionality, security, job monitoring, brokering etc, which is then leveraged by other apps.

    Of course the toolkit can to some extent be wrapped in OO methods and abstracted away, but its not pure OO.

    That's what happens when Computational Scientists are allowed to design things.

  9. Never mainstream by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just an inverted version of the "network computing" universe where we all use thin clients that use a central server to do work. It can never become mainstream due to the physical limitations, not the technology ones. Suppose I am a corporation and I need a new big-iron system to process daily orders from our web site. Let's try grid computing: all 1000 employees in the company install a piece of software on their PC so we can use each PC to process an order, based on availability. The number of problems with this, as compared to using a central server, is incredible.

    1) Still need a central server for storage/backup
    2) One server needs one UPS, 1000 workstations...
    3) Worsktations are flaky: They reboot, crash, play video games, etc. The distributed software can handle this, but the inefficiency involved is painstaking. I hope everybody doesn't run Windows Update all at once, or all the PCs could go down.
    4) The corporate network is now a bottleneck.

    I rattled off this list in about 30 seconds, so I'm sure there are lots more. Since these are physical limitations, not technology limitations, they aren't going away.

    1. Re:Never mainstream by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      3) Worsktations are flaky:

      _Your_ workstation may be flakey, but real workstations are not:

      peu@elrsr-4 peu $ uptime 19:33:50 up 140 days, 2:01, 3 users, load average: 0.26, 0.26, 0.14

      So grid computing gives you just one more reason to move your company desktops to AIX, Linux, BSD, IRIX, or other competent operating system of your choice.

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    2. Re:Never mainstream by 2short · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You obviously rattled that off in 30 seconds, since you didn't think about it much. Suppose you need a new big iron system for order processing? Sorry, I can't coherently imagine that; order processing just isn't a big deal. Let's assume we're talking instead about a task that would require a big machine, and look at your concerns:

      1) Still need a central server for storage/backup

      There might be interesting applications of grid computing for distributed, redundant storage, but the classic applications would be oriented toward massing processor power, not storage.

      2) One server needs one UPS, 1000 workstations...

      Well, I've got a UPS on my workstation anyway, but even if you don't this is just one variation of:

      3) Worsktations are flaky...

      One workstation is flaky. A couple thousand are rock-solid, if your grid software is any good at all. You hope everybody doesn't run Windows Update (or do some other maintenance) all at once? That seems pretty unlikely, and in any case I hope you don't ever do maintenance on your single server, since it will obviously be all at once.
      I actually worked somewhere that used a "grid" like technique for animation rendering. Every workstation had a background app running. If your machine was idle for a little while, this app start up, ask the "NetRender" machine for a frame, and get to work. If it finished the frame it would send it in and ask for another. If it didn't (you came back from lunch, a janitor yanked out the power cord, whatever) NetRender didn't care. Once it had passed out all the frames in an animation, it would just start again at the begining, passing out the ones it hadn't gotten back. Was there "painstaking inefficiency"? Well, at the end of the rendering the last job set up for a particular night, almost every machine in the shop was presumably racing to finnish the same frame, but who cares? They weren't doing anything else anyway. (actually, I think NetRender had some further inteligence so it didn't pass out the same frame more than X times a minute)

      4) The corporate network is now a bottleneck
      Something is always the bottleneck. A good way to decide whether grid computing is apropriate to a task is to ask whether your statement sounds like a pro or a con.

  10. Re:It Could be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh bullshit. Every layer of abstraction costs you.
    The fact that desktop pc's are 5-20% utilized is why you can just claim another layer of abstraction won't hurt you.

    --- now please go and find me a list of things that "needs distributed".

    -- next from your list remove any jobs that do not parallelize in to chunks of data that can fit in common machines --- yes the grid will have some big boxen, but do you think you are going to reliably get farmed onto one of those?

    -- next from the remainder that you have managed to parallelize into small chunks, please remove those in which the chunks have to have any significant interdependence because you don't have any control of the net-ography of the grid and latency will be a killer.

    -- now remove any notion you have about "generic db queries" unless you are going to have many redundant db systems on the grid. If you don't have redundancy the network latency will kill you. If you do have redundancy and the db query is sufficently complex as to need service by something other than your desktop PC then you'll probably want some beefy hardware out there... which you want to use not necessarily share

    -- what's left? Things that occur to me: analysis of nuclear and particle physics data (that's where the grid idea started!), genomics research, cryptography, SETI@home and whatever else @home. The key point is that none of these are applicable to corporate IT unless you are doing say genomics. Do you think that genomics resarch companies are going to ever allow their data to be handled outside a structure they can micro-manage -- there are giga-dollars at play.

    The grid has it's place, but the myth of:
    1)plug my computer into grid
    2)have access to limitless resources
    3)do amazing things

    is as goofy as the dot-bomb business plans that forgot to figure out a $profit$ step.

    If you aren't doing amazing things outside the grid what makes you think adding 10000x the horsepower will change anything. The grid is at best a tool. If it meets the needs of your niche market you win big. If your problem(s) don't fit the grid then you gain nothing.

  11. Software Architectures for Grid Computing by Jack+William+Bell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have given a lot of thought to this concept in the past and, although I think it has a lot of merit I also think it will require a different underlying software architecture than any of those we use today.

    Currently for distributed computing we have Thin-Client/Fat-Server, Client/Server, N-Tier and Shared-Node architectures. I think most people are expecting a Shared-Node or Client/Server for Grid Computing because that is how existing implementations work. The issue with either of those is the size of the work unit. If the work unit is small than the nodes/clients must sychronize often. If the work unit is large then you are more likley to have nodes/clients in a wait state because required processing is not completed.

    Using a network style architecture (distributed Shared-Node) raises more issues because of message routing. Interestingly, this is the 'web-service' model! For example a web site must verify a customer, charge her credit card, initiate a shipping action and order from a factory in a single transaction. So you get four sub-transactions. Let's say that each of those initiates two sub-transactions of its own and each of those initiates one sub transaction of its own. We now have a total of twenty transactions in a hierarchy that is three deep. Let's also assume that we only have one dependancy (the verification) before launching all other transactions asychronously.

    The problem here is response times, they add up. if the average response time is 500 ms, then three transactions deep gives us 1500 ms. The dependacy, at a minimum, doubles this. So it takes three full seconds to commit the transaction. Something a user might be willing to live with until a netstorm occurs and the response time drops to thirty seconds or more. (Note: Isn't it funny how you never see this math done in the whitepapers pusing web services?) But three seconds is far too long for sychronizing between nodes of a distributed computing grid unless you only have to do it every once in a great while, pushing us towards large work units and idle nodes!

    So the Internet itself imposes costs on a distributed model that wouldn't exist on, say, a Beowulf cluster because that cluster would have a dedicated high-speed network. Client/Server architectures work better for the Internet, but require dedicated servers and a lot of bandwidth to and from them.

    I believe the real answer lies in what I call a Cell architecture. This would require servers, but their job would be to hook up nodes into computing 'cells' consisting of one to N (where N is less than 256?) nodes. Each node would download a work-unit from the server appropriately sized to the cell, along with net addresses of the other nodes in the cell. Communication would occur between the nodes until the computation is complete and then the result would be sent back to the server. When a node completes its work unit (even if all computation for the cell is not complete) it detaches and contacts the server for another cell assignment.

    By reducing cross-talk to direct contact between nodes within the cell we allow smaller work units. By using a server to coordinate nodes into cells we are allowed to treat the cells as larger virtual work units.

    Comments?

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  12. Just 10000 feet? Bah! by arvindn · · Score: 4, Funny
    They're talking about the grid being distributed across the globe... what kind of a view can you get from 10000 ft?

    ;^)

  13. Some problems. by Duncan3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First off, this stuff has been completely mainstream for over 30 years now. The only thing new is that it keeps getting renamed, This year it's called GRID. I remember when it was called timesharing, and Time magazine had cartoons depicting it is 1973.

    The entire GRID standard actually only covers the data transfer and login. Becasue that's the only thing standard about the different types of hardware. You still need to write the software specific to the hardware. Even with tools like MPI programming for Sun big iron is nothing at all like IBM big iron. And you dont exactly use Java. The value is not in the software - that's why it's getting standardized and is given away for free. The value, as always, is in owning a huge pool of computing power and renting it out, or even better, selling it in racks full.

    The only people benefiting financially are the people that make the hardware - IBM, HP, Sun, Fujitsu, etc. Just like 30 years ago. Open Source has completely devalued the software - why pay for that, money is better spent on more hardware.

    Then there is the cost of transporting the terabytes of data involved in the types of problems you do with these systems. Transport costs are more then the computing costs in many cases - another reason that part got standardized.

    Hardware costs are falling FAST. Blade mounted and racked CPU are running about $500/Ghz ($7k for the same from IBM). That means for about 1 million you can get something like 2K CPUs and 2Thz of power, running Linux and all the tools you need. Thats a lot of FLOPS.

    For those kinds of costs, outsourcing it at seems silly. You still have to do all software development, data transport, post-processing, and research yourself anyway, and those costs DWARF the hardware/electricity/HVAC costs of owning the hardware and having exclusive access 24/7 until the next updgrade.

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  14. How about the 10-inch view? by pla · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've seen entirely too many articles (such as recently appeared in SciAm, and now this one appearing on /.'s FP) giving the "10,000-foot view" of grid computing.

    I've seen a few articles giving the 10-micron view, describing CPU architectures making use of a grid topology.

    I've seen a few small demos of massively distributed clusters. I've heard hype about the idea of a service provider and service consumer oriented topology. I've heard about self-healing networks. I've heard about the PS3 making use of a grid-based system.

    I have not heard any of the "step 2s", the means by which we transition from individual PCs accessing a network, to a single shared "grid computer" actually composed of the network. At least, nothing that would make the resulting network noticeably different than the current internet.

    For individual systems (ala the PS3), grid computing seems like possibly the next big thing, sort-of an evolution of SMP to a scale larger than dual/quad CPU systems. The rest of it, the over-hyped massive "revolution" in how people use computing resources in general? Pure marketing hot-air, and nothing more. The closest we'll get to the idea of a worldwide "grid" will consist of an XBox-like home media console with anything-on-demand (for a fee).

  15. Good for CPU bound processes only by stanwirth · · Score: 4, Informative

    As we discovered early on in MIMD parallel computing, MIMD (aka grid computing) parallelism can only really help processes that are CPU bound in the first place.

    Most of the processes that require 'big iron' are memory bound and I/O bound--e.g. databases that are hundreds of gigabytes to terabytes in size. This is why so many CPUs are '90% idle' in the first place, and this is why system designers devote more attention to bit-striping their disks, a good RAID controller, bus speeds, disk seek time and so forth.

    Problems that require brute-force computation on small amounts of data, and produce small results, are simply few and far between -- and the people addressing those problems have been onto MIMD for decades. For instance, my first publication, in 1987 to the USENIX UNIX on Supercomputers proceedings, involved putting ODE solvers wrapped in Sun RPC, so that hundreds of servers could work on a different part of initial condition and boundary condition space, to provide a complete picture of the properties of certain nonlinear ordinary differential equations. Cryptanalysis and protein folding problems are already being addressed in a similar manner, and the tools to distribute these services as well as the required communications standards have been around for more than a decade.

    Furthermore, if you've already got a marginally communications-bound domain decomposition of a parallel problem, and you want to cut down the communications overhead in order to take advantage of MIMD parallelism, the last communications protocol you're going to use is a high-overhead one such as CORBA, or a text-based message protocol such as XML. Both XDR and MPI are faster, more stable and better established in the scientific computing community than Yet Another layer of MIMD middleware--which is all Grid Computing is.

  16. TeraGrid by kst · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here is a large Grid project that I'm working on.

  17. User moderation!! by corvi42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How 'bout this - build in a system whereby users who have downloaded a file can mod its quality up or down. Then while searching the network, you also get MD5s for the files, and the associate rating is accumulated from others who you search. This way crappy files float to the bottom.

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  18. GridShell Expert System User Interface by Will+the+Chill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been writing (partially for my CompSci Masters thesis) a new Grid-oriented application that may be of interest. It's called GridShell, and aims to provide a Free/OSS interface to any and all Grid technologies. Currently, GridShell's skin-able web-based UI (WebUI) is almost completed, able to provide the equivalent of an expert Grid administrator/user through a very "clicky-clicky" frontend.

    Oh, and it's all 100% Object-Oriented Perl, for those of you who care about clean code.

    More really crazy GridShell modules are down the road, so check it out!

    http://www.gridshell.org

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  19. more detailed info by elchuppa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Grid computing is pretty interesting, if anybody wants to find out more I have compiled a comprehensive list of references on the subject. As well as providing a brief (20 page or so) overview of the available Grid solutions. www.netinvasions.com/files/GRID/grid-paper.htm

  20. OpenMosix and COWs by dargaud · · Score: 2, Informative
    Many earlier posts have pointed out that there are already several ways to do that, without adding an extra layer. One way which works well on an Intranet is to do a cluster of worstations (COW) running Linux+OpenMosix.

    I do software and sysadmin for scientists. Those with simulation or data analysis needs usually work either:

    • connecting remotely to a main computer (say SGI in many cases) to run their jobs, at a high price for hardware and support and at the risk of saturating the machine when everyone wants in;
    • or, with the more recent increase in computer power in PCs, running directly on their own PCs.
    In both cases the PCs are underutilized most of the time. OpenMosix is a patch to the Linux Kernel allowing you to transform your workstations into a cluster. No software modification is necessary. OpenMosix balances the load automagically. No more expensive mainframe. No more powerful but underutilized PCs.

    OpenMosix has been featured on /. before: here, here, here, and here

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