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How to Become A Spammer

permeablepdx points to this story in The Oregonian about how to become a spammer. Summary: "Local Oregon boy makes big bucks after learning from the Spam masters."

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  1. Jeez by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The idea is it's just like a commercial," Shiels said. "You don't just send it to one address once. You send it to one address five or six times. Do commercials only come on once? You get the same crap in your e-mail more than once. You have to bombard the person."

    And they wonder why they get death threats.

  2. I don't under stand why... by Exanerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Well first I PAY to have an Internet connection, I do not however, pay for the mail that gets sent to me - thats the mailers responsibility. Also it seems a bit more personal being intruded upon in your own home, than having something sitting in your physical mailbox outside on the step, or the entryway to your building. Personally I think snail mail is far more wasteful in terms of actual resources, I just don't directly pay for it and I don't get as much of it and I can recycle it, but the time I spend sifting through hundreds of ridiculous spam emails a day impacts me more directly.

  3. As much as I hate to make it personal... by JimDabell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shiels decided a spamming career wasn't worth the personal cost.

    There you have it. I wonder if there is a way of applying this cost to every spammer.

  4. information wants to be free by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure its ok to post the source to DeCSS but now all of a sudden you don't like the SPAMMER-HOWTO? Thats odd I thought you didn't have a problem with it just being information and all.

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    Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
  5. What is truly amazing by SCHecklerX · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is that this scumbag doesn't believe he is doing anything wrong.

    If he feels that this stuff is so legitimate, why is he using software that abuses open relays and proxies, and forges mail headers, instead of publishing the real address he is sending his spew from? Hmmm?

    It's forgery, plain and simple, and there are laws that deal with it. Prosecute the fsckers on it already!!!

  6. DeCSS has legal uses... by gilesjuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Such as watching DVD movies on operating systems with no DVD playing software. Where as spamming is always a pain in the butt.

    Before DeCSS you would not be able to watch a DVD on Linux. Before spamming it was possible to let kids use email with no fears of them seeing obscene things, you can't now. Which is the biggest menace, I'll let you decide.

  7. Re:maybe ? by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Note that he says he DOESN'T SPAM ANYMORE. He's not likely to do it again. Let it go. Find somebody who is currently spamming, and go after them.

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    $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
  8. A Warm, Fuzzy, Happy Feeling by altairmaine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's so great about the article? The reason this particular spammer quit!

    He quit because of hostile, harassing emails from the angry public! They work! Every email you've sent telling a spammer that they're a worthless turd of a human being had some miniscule effect!

    Even now, the guy admits no moral qualms about his former job. He's still a thoughtless punk who sees nothing wrong with the practice, and I'd still like to punch him in the nose. But he QUIT, because we made his life miserable in return.

    The lesson: keep giving 'em hell. It's not just gratifying, it sometimes works.

  9. Do the math by broothal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's been involved in the spamming business for 6 months

    He spent the first 5 months researching and one month of spamming

    He spent $10.000 on spam-software

    He claims he made $1000 a week.

    4 weeks times $1000=$4000 income.
    $4000 income minus $10.000 is -$6000. So, the guy loses $6000 on spamming.

    Film at eleven...

  10. Re:It doesn't seem terribly complicated by jonadab · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Obtaining a valid list of e-mail addresses is not very easy,
    > you either need to invest money or you need to figure out how
    > to harvest e-mails from the web/usenet.

    That part's trivial. You'll get 50% invalid addresses, but so what?

    Step 3 is easier than you think: at this time, you don't have to
    fool the filters of the 0.05% who use even moderately complex
    filters[1]; all you have to do is get past the things that are
    deployed ISP-wide, like psmtp.com's filtering service. (This is
    trivial to get past: write three spams at random, and two of them
    will get past. No cleverness required.)

    If you have to get past word blacklists, then you also need to use
    a thesaurus (or 1337 sp33k), but word blacklists are relatively
    uncommon, because they get too many false positives. Really, all
    you have to do is get past the filters that ISPs deploy, not the
    ones individuals install. Remember, if you have to send twice as
    many messages to get the same response, it doesn't cost you that
    much more. (This is what makes spam so problematic. *Almost*
    makes me want the estamps thing to succeed.)

    The hard part is convincing businesses that have money (and are
    therefore presumably profitable) that they can gain more than
    they lose by investing in your services. I assume you send all
    the businesses in the universe adverts for your services and hope
    0.001% of them bite. I would like to think that more than 99.9%
    of them know better, but... I know better. Fortunately each
    spammer has to compete with all the others for limited business,
    so the number of spammers who can make money spamming is finite.
    Praises be.

    As for point 4, finding a spam-friendly ISP is a real pain; it's
    much easier to run port scans and find open relays, then test
    them to see which ones *don't* do a reverse lookup of your IP.

    Then you send to the open relay from a custom MTA that you run
    on a dynamic IP in such a way that it randomly generates From
    and Received headers and such for each message, thus making it
    a real pain for the recipient to track down where the spam
    *originated*. Finding out where it came from to your ISP is
    easy, but that's an open relay in the APNIC block whose IP is
    not reverse-lookupable (virtually *nothing* in APNIC supplies
    PTR records), and so tracking down the owner of the relay is
    hard, and they don't speak your language, and they don't give
    a rodent's posterior about your spam problem. For extra bonus
    points, get a hosting deal in Asia and run your MTA there, so
    that tracing you back to your ISP in the US is basically
    impossible, and if we *do* figure out who runs the MTA in Asia,
    we'll assume it's an open relay, provided you insert the usual
    forged Received headers. Yes, I've spent way too much time
    looking at mail headers.

    So in conclusion, the main thing preventing a lot of people such
    as myself from becomming spammers is that we hate spam. That, and
    it's so obviously *wrong*.

    [1] e.g., people like me, who trained a naive bayesian mail
    classification system (ifile) on a collection of tens of
    thousands of well-categorised messages in 3 dozen distinct
    categories, including several distinct spam categories.

    But actually, with a modicum of cleverness, a naive bayesian
    system can be easily defeated. As soon as I read how the
    algorithm works, I realised inside ten minutes how they can
    defeat it. Consequently, they can figure it out too; if
    enough people start using such systems they'll do that, and
    we'll have to get more clever with our mail classification
    systems, taking context into account for tokens, at which
    point they'll drag out the Markov chain generators, which
    will be *hell* to try to filter against. At that point it
    might be easiest to hire somebody in the third world (where
    the ecconomy is suc

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    Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.