Posted by
michael
on from the tastes-great-less-filling dept.
Logic writes "The Oggbitstream format (used by OggVorbis) has been enshrined in RFC 3533, "The Ogg Encapsulation Format Version 0", for all you folks who won't look at something unless it has an RFC attached to it."
What are the odds that Ogg will replace mp3?
by
yppiz
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What are the odds that Ogg will replace mp3 as the standard format for music?
I'm curious what folks here think it would take for consumers to think of Ogg as the normal, expected format for audio.
--Pat / zippy@cs.brandeis.edu
Re:What are the odds that Ogg will replace mp3?
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Tet
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What are the odds that Ogg will replace mp3 as the standard format for music?
It already has, at least for me. All of my CDs are ripped to Ogg Vorbis, primarily because I know
that I'll be able to play them in perpetuity,
thanks to the licensing issues.
For the general population, the sad answer is
that it probably never will. The lack of portable
players is often cited as the barrier to widespread
adoption. But while I'm sure it's a factor, I
don't think it would matter anyway. After all, the world
is still using GIFs, despite the widespread
availability of superior alternatives. The only exception would be
if Fraunhofer go nuts with their licensing demands.
I suspect on of the reasons PNG hasn't displaced
GIF entirely has been that Unisys asked for
sensible amounts when licensing.
-- "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
Why do the RFC page headers say "OGG" instead of "Ogg"? The headers in other RFCs aren't arbitrarily
capitalized. It's hard enough convincing people
that Ogg isn't an acronym without the RFC itself
making our work harder.
Can they fix this without issuing a new RFC
number?
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Sooo... is distribution one of those reserved "All Rights" or not? I think "All Rights Reserved" can be considered one of the most overused catch phrases of the last 20 years. Not only is it used in a contradictory manner like here, but somehow the MPAA and RIAA and software industry seem to think they really can reserve ALL rights instead of just their exclusive ones.
Re:Request For Comments
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Greger47
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· Score: 5, Interesting
No, thats the way it is by design.
IETF doesn't standardize anything untill it is finished, complete with reference implementations.
You're arguing something completely different. You start out talking about software, and then you move on to hardware. Software support for Vorbis has grown exponentially since its inception, and it's no longer a problem. Anything worth its salt supports Vorbis (even WMP, if you have the DirectShow filters, i think). Winamp, Foobar2000, XMMS, &c.. Not to mention all the CD-ripping programs support it. You can even download a plug-in that allows Windows XP to provide information on Vorbis files in Explorer, just as it does with MP3s and WMAs (artist, title, bitrate, &c.).
But you are right about the lack of hardware support. I have a couple friends that like Vorbis, and they would switch in a second, if only there was hardware support. And that seems to be the major problem. Without hardware support, Vorbis will probably remain a nerd's pipe dream forever. Hopefully, though, they're making progress on some hardware players. I think i read in an Ogg Traffic once that one of the iRiver models was tested to see if it could handle Tremor, and apparently it can, which is good news, i think. Whether or not iRiver is going to take the time to implement it is the problem. Aside from that, nobody seems to interested in Vorbis on the hardware side, except for the makers of those ugly iPod rip-offs.:p
Status of Ogg FLAC ?
by
wossName
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· Score: 3, Interesting
It has been pretty quiet since the announcement about the FLAC project joining Xiph.org. The Ogg project page still links to the FLAC SourceForge page. Does anyone know what the status of Ogg FLAC is ?
On a distantly related topic, are there any portable music players that can play OGG Vorbis audio files available for sale today? Sure, I see announcements about this one or that one that will support OGG Vorbis in a future firmware update. Sorry, I want it NOW! And I don't want to have to resort to a hack either.
I want a device with support that works today.
Yes, I'd also like the option of either a hard-drive or non-hard-drive device (for more storage, or for jogging), USB 2 or Firewire, and a simple filesystem-like means for uploading/downloading files so I don't have to install some vile piece of software just to do what a filesystem does so well itself (that and it would be more likely to have support under Linux/*BSD, MacOS X, and WinXP). And MP3/AAC/Vorbis/WMA multi-format support would be acceptable too. Oh, and add built-in AM/FM radio, and the ability to record, and I'd be in heaven.
Am I just dreaming? Frontier Labs' Nex IA sounds almost like what I want IF ONLY it weren't a "future upgrade".
The vendor who gives me this first wins my money.
Re:Now that it's an RFC...
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capnjack41
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· Score: 2, Interesting
First, it was a joke, asshead. Take it easy.
Second, a highly scientific and authoritative experiment by "LitexMedia.com" shows that much of the time Ogg has superior quality, and when it's not the difference is only subtle.
Slashdot Mirror
I'm curious what folks here think it would take for consumers to think of Ogg as the normal, expected format for audio.
--Pat / zippy@cs.brandeis.edu
Can they fix this without issuing a new RFC number?
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Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2003). All Rights Reserved.
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Sooo... is distribution one of those reserved "All Rights" or not? I think "All Rights Reserved" can be considered one of the most overused catch phrases of the last 20 years. Not only is it used in a contradictory manner like here, but somehow the MPAA and RIAA and software industry seem to think they really can reserve ALL rights instead of just their exclusive ones.
No, thats the way it is by design.
IETF doesn't standardize anything untill it is finished, complete with reference implementations.
Heres a good writeup: The Internet Engineering Task Force
But you are right about the lack of hardware support. I have a couple friends that like Vorbis, and they would switch in a second, if only there was hardware support. And that seems to be the major problem. Without hardware support, Vorbis will probably remain a nerd's pipe dream forever. Hopefully, though, they're making progress on some hardware players. I think i read in an Ogg Traffic once that one of the iRiver models was tested to see if it could handle Tremor, and apparently it can, which is good news, i think. Whether or not iRiver is going to take the time to implement it is the problem. Aside from that, nobody seems to interested in Vorbis on the hardware side, except for the makers of those ugly iPod rip-offs. :p
It has been pretty quiet since the announcement about the FLAC project joining Xiph.org. The Ogg project page still links to the FLAC SourceForge page. Does anyone know what the status of Ogg FLAC is ?
Someone is wrong on the Internet!
On a distantly related topic, are there any portable music players that can play OGG Vorbis audio files available for sale today? Sure, I see announcements about this one or that one that will support OGG Vorbis in a future firmware update. Sorry, I want it NOW! And I don't want to have to resort to a hack either.
I want a device with support that works today.
Yes, I'd also like the option of either a hard-drive or non-hard-drive device (for more storage, or for jogging), USB 2 or Firewire, and a simple filesystem-like means for uploading/downloading files so I don't have to install some vile piece of software just to do what a filesystem does so well itself (that and it would be more likely to have support under Linux/*BSD, MacOS X, and WinXP). And MP3/AAC/Vorbis/WMA multi-format support would be acceptable too. Oh, and add built-in AM/FM radio, and the ability to record, and I'd be in heaven.
Am I just dreaming? Frontier Labs' Nex IA sounds almost like what I want IF ONLY it weren't a "future upgrade".
The vendor who gives me this first wins my money.
Second, a highly scientific and authoritative experiment by "LitexMedia.com" shows that much of the time Ogg has superior quality, and when it's not the difference is only subtle.
http://www.cdburner.ca/digital-audio-formats-artic le/digital-audio-comparison.htm
Why the hell is there a gif on xiph.org?