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michael
on from the tastes-great-less-filling dept.
Logic writes "The Oggbitstream format (used by OggVorbis) has been enshrined in RFC 3533, "The Ogg Encapsulation Format Version 0", for all you folks who won't look at something unless it has an RFC attached to it."
We can now get some more external player support. Especially in all the CD/MP3 players with upgradeable firmware and same with just MP3 players. I can't wait to be able to starting going only ogg.
Do you encode your mp3s with mp3? I guess not. Do you see my point? Don't convert your mp3s. Keep 'em. From now on, if you rip a new cd, use Ogg.
Maybe on a boring afternoon you could re-rip your already ripped cd's to Ogg and send the old mp3s to the bitbucket.
Fraunhofer's mp3pro doesn't have mp3->mp3pro converters. Why should Ogg Vorbis need that?
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But nobody knows about ogg.
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Anonymous Coward
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Everybody has heard of mp3, and a lot people have heard of DivX;)/MPEG, but only nerds know about ogg. Its sounds stupid, it looks stupid and theres poor support for it in windows.
If media player dosen't play it, 99% of people won't use it.
-1, troll^H^H^Hue
Re:But nobody knows about ogg.
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shaitand
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media player doesn't play divx. And I well remember when us nerds were the only ones who had heard of divx. Give it a year and the common idiot will have heard of xvid and ffmpeg4 as well, you see at least with movies, it's nerds who do the encoding because not every idiot can... but any idiot can watch the rip and think he's bright if he knows how to download the codec.
But to be honest, most don't know about divx either yet.
Re:But nobody knows about ogg.
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shaitand
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As a technician with the unfortunate experience to work with an extremely vast array of different windows users, I can confirm that most adults use whatever is put before them. Most teenagers use winamp. Most adults with teenage children use winamp as a consequence because that's what their teenager put before them. I hope this clarifies issues.
Generally I've found this to be a consistant pattern, teenagers use some app from the web (for better or worse) they've found and believe better to do the things they care about (otherwise they use what is in front of them. Adults follow a pretty consistant pattern of never looking for something better than what is put in their path unless they have an extremely compelling reason. And even then, they use the first solution to that reason that is put in front of them.. never really looking for the best solution.
Re:But nobody knows about ogg.
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FattMattP
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Most teenagers use winamp. Most adults with teenage children use winamp as a consequence because that's what their teenager put before them.
Winamp has had built-in Ogg Vorbis support since 2.80.
Re:Now if only it had a decent name
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Anonymous Coward
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You forgot the part where the OGG/OSS/Linux advocate procedes to rail against Microsoft for a half hour and then play.
Re:What are the odds that Ogg will replace mp3?
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slavitos
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I am not sure it will replace it, but there are two good reasons it could be competitive:
a) It sounds better
b) It is license-free
I think the odds are good that OGG will be on par with MP3 within 2 or 3 years.
Re:This is a good thing.
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StrawberryFrog
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Why would apple want to put OGG support into the iPod? MP3 is the bait, AAC is the hook. OGG isn't even a player, and apple has no percentage in making it one.
By that I mean that MP3 support is important for market acceptance - you'll buy one for the MP3z; but AAC with all that DRM is important to the business model. Promoting another no-DRM format over AAC is not in Apple's interest.
That said, I'd love to be wrong. The day that Apple do idealistically put OGG support into Ipod, I will buy one. Or if another manufacturer makes a good one, I'll get that instead.
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StrawberryFrog
But how many..
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Anonymous Coward
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I think "All Rights Reserved" can be considered one of the most overused catch phrases of the last 20 years.
Actually, according to copyright training I had a "well known large company" some years ago, that specific phrase is required in a couple of small countries. It probably is overused in the sense that people think it's required in more places than it actually is, but from what little I recall, trying to copyright something in a way that's valid all over is a rat's nest, Berne or no Berne.
....It's the name.. that damn name!
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aphexddb
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I just hate the name "Ogg Vorbis". I'm sure its a better format than mp3 but I just can't stand the name. "Format 3533" from the RFC would even be better.
-- "We're all mad here." --Cheshire Cat
Re:....It's the name.. that damn name!
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TeknoHog
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At least Ogg Vorbis is a name, not a twisted abbreviation. MPEG 1 Layer III turned into MP3 because some genius thought there's a three character limit to filename 'extensions'. I bet "MP3" didn't sound very catchy when it first came about, but I didn't hear anyone whine about the name.
-- Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
That sladhot "gramophone" logo has been used so many times for "RIAA Does something else evil" stories everytime i see it i get angry:-( Good to see Ogg being recognised like this - maybe more manufacturers will incorporate it into devices now.
-- Slashdot - The one stop shop for procrastination
How about getting Ogg a W3C recommendation? These seem to be taken more seriously more seriously than RFCs, some of which are jokes, and many of which are obsolete.
look how long everybody and there dog was using mp3 before hardware manufacturers took the plung and started supporting it. Remember, these guys like to move slow... before mp3 the last standard for audio was compact disc (and it is certainly still not gone). Before compact disc it was tapes and before that those big black round things... i think they called them records.
ALL of these media types were in place for a very long time (by todays technological standards) and it is unlikely that now they have taken the dive to mp3 it will be changed within the next 5 years (read 5x the lifetime of vorbis/Ogg in it's current form being a dominant/viable technology).
Software can be changed relatively easily, the change is made once and it's copied repeatedly with existing technology. Hardware requires immense setup costs that must be recovered (2000000 fold) before the maker of the hardware is likely to make any real change to it.
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We can now get some more external player support. Especially in all the CD/MP3 players with upgradeable firmware and same with just MP3 players. I can't wait to be able to starting going only ogg.
Everybody has heard of mp3, and a lot people have heard of DivX ;)/MPEG, but only nerds know about ogg. Its sounds stupid, it looks stupid and theres poor support for it in windows.
If media player dosen't play it, 99% of people won't use it.
-1, troll^H^H^Hue
You forgot the part where the OGG/OSS/Linux advocate procedes to rail against Microsoft for a half hour and then play.
I am not sure it will replace it, but there are two good reasons it could be competitive: a) It sounds better b) It is license-free I think the odds are good that OGG will be on par with MP3 within 2 or 3 years.
Why would apple want to put OGG support into the iPod? MP3 is the bait, AAC is the hook. OGG isn't even a player, and apple has no percentage in making it one.
By that I mean that MP3 support is important for market acceptance - you'll buy one for the MP3z; but AAC with all that DRM is important to the business model. Promoting another no-DRM format over AAC is not in Apple's interest.
That said, I'd love to be wrong. The day that Apple do idealistically put OGG support into Ipod, I will buy one. Or if another manufacturer makes a good one, I'll get that instead.
My Karma: ran over your Dogma
StrawberryFrog
of those people give a flying fuck?
Actually, according to copyright training I had a "well known large company" some years ago, that specific phrase is required in a couple of small countries. It probably is overused in the sense that people think it's required in more places than it actually is, but from what little I recall, trying to copyright something in a way that's valid all over is a rat's nest, Berne or no Berne.
I just hate the name "Ogg Vorbis". I'm sure its a better format than mp3 but I just can't stand the name. "Format 3533" from the RFC would even be better.
"We're all mad here." --Cheshire Cat
That sladhot "gramophone" logo has been used so many times for "RIAA Does something else evil" stories everytime i see it i get angry :-(
Good to see Ogg being recognised like this - maybe more manufacturers will incorporate it into devices now.
Slashdot - The one stop shop for procrastination
How about getting Ogg a W3C recommendation? These seem to be taken more seriously more seriously than RFCs, some of which are jokes, and many of which are obsolete.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
look how long everybody and there dog was using mp3 before hardware manufacturers took the plung and started supporting it. Remember, these guys like to move slow... before mp3 the last standard for audio was compact disc (and it is certainly still not gone). Before compact disc it was tapes and before that those big black round things... i think they called them records.
ALL of these media types were in place for a very long time (by todays technological standards) and it is unlikely that now they have taken the dive to mp3 it will be changed within the next 5 years (read 5x the lifetime of vorbis/Ogg in it's current form being a dominant/viable technology).
Software can be changed relatively easily, the change is made once and it's copied repeatedly with existing technology. Hardware requires immense setup costs that must be recovered (2000000 fold) before the maker of the hardware is likely to make any real change to it.