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Silicon Seduced From Silica

Roland Piquepaille writes "Making silicon is an expensive process, which conventionally involves carbothermal reduction, in which the oxygen is removed from silica by a heterogeneous-homogeneous reaction sequence at approximately 1,700 C. Now, Japanese researchers have developed a new technique which uses electricity to remove the oxygen from silica. Their technique is based on the immersion of silica in a bath of molten calcium chloride salt at 850 C, which should reduce the costs of making silicon -- and other elements, like zirconium. Check this column for a summary or read this article from Nature for additional details."

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  1. Hey now! by The-Bus · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was going to ask if this was going to make the price of breast implants drop low enough so that the procedure would be available to all the women that would want it; for example, to the point where one could simply hand out gift certificates. Then I realized that modern boobs are now just saline solution, and the high price must come from the "doctors" performing the procedure itself.

    Mmmmm... Brine. Delicious brine.

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    1. Re:Hey now! by bludstone · · Score: 2, Funny

      While implanting them into people's bodies is a sorely bad idea (unsafe!), there is no reason that you couldnt now make an affordable pillow/blanket/bed out of this stuff..

      It would be like sleeping on a giant... ah nevermind. :)

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    2. Re:Hey now! by amorsen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Have we really come to the point where even Slashdotters don't know the difference between silicon and silicone? It is no wonder that the perfectly good word niggardly is lost forever.

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  2. Silica defintion by dillon_rinker · · Score: 3, Informative

    If it's not obvious from the definition, silica is silicon dioxide, SiO2. It is the primary ingredient for making glass. IConsider it as purified sand - all the impurities that color the SiO2 have been removed.

  3. Re:3rd post! by Sheetrock · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unfortunately, many of the conventional sand deposits (Floridian sand not exempted, I think) contains only a small amount of silica, making the refining process prohibitively expensive. This process might be a little cheaper, but proportionally speaking they're still going to do better with dredged volcanic "supersand".

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  4. Pr0n Industry Rejoices by GMontag · · Score: 2, Funny

    reduce the costs of making silicon -- and other elements, like zirconium

    Fake diamonds and fake racks drop in price, the pr0n wars begin! Scratching and clawing for territory, kicking for market share, it is an all girl-on-girl cage match!

  5. zirconium! by lingqi · · Score: 5, Informative
    Zirconium plays a vital part in metallocene catalysis, which is the method of manufacturing high molecular density polyethylene, in another word, spectra. (stronger than steel (10x pound for pound), floats, i.e. stronger than KEVLAR and ~40-45% lighter, better chemical, UV resistance than kevlar, etc).

    not related to silicon, but i like to point that out. in case people are looking for uses for zirconium =).

    for those that thought about it - no spectra is not good enough for space elevator. only 3GPa tensile strength (steel about .25 for cheap ones and 5 for REALLY good ones). space elevator needs ~62GPa. nanotubes ~150GPa theoretical.

    okay. end rant.

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    1. Re:zirconium! by simong_oz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      okay. start my own rant.

      As an engineer I get fed up with people claiming product X is stronger than steel, etc, etc. You almost always (as in the case of spectra) find that what they are talking about is specific strength, which measures mechanical strength per unit weight. It doesn't mean it's stronger than steel. The modulus of steel (el cheapo low carbon) is roughly 200GPa, spectra is 60-124 or less than half as strong.

      the tensile strength of 3GPa is the UTS - ultimate tensile strength. UTS is where the material catastrophically, and unrecoverably, fails. The material will have yielded (and possibly weakened) well before this stress level is reached.

      Steel will almost always be the basic material of choice, except when weight is important, for the simple reasons that it is strong, easy to work with, easy to manufacture into almost anything and, most importantly, cheap.

      okay. end my own rant :)

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  6. Prices and Profits by PSL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now prices can remain the same while profits go up...

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    1. Re:Prices and Profits by amorsen · · Score: 4, Funny
      Now prices can remain the same while profits go up...

      Right, that is how the semiconductor world typically works. This has kept computer prices at the same level since the seventies and ensured the current situation where there are only a few thousand computers in the world. Imagine if prices on IC's had been allowed to fall - there might have been a computer in front of me now. Or maybe someone would even have managed to create a digital watch!

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  7. Impact and Solar Cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Obviously it will reduce the cost of silicon chips ... a little. In fact a 3 inch Si wafer costs about 3 USD. So you Intel Hexium Pro 10 GHz chip cost will not be much affected by this. However the solar power industry has often used Si cutoffs from teh chips industry, a kind of recycling and there the cost scale is very different.

    As wafers have grown in size (and changed from inches to metrics), up to 300 mm production size today, it means there is effectively less cutoffs available to make cheap polycrystalline solar cells. Sure, mono crystalline solar cells are more efficient but also far more costly.

    This new process then can mean a lot more cheap solar cells. Imagine like all available roof areas being covered, down to the top of all cars.

    1. Re:Impact and Solar Cells by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      This new process then can mean a lot more cheap solar cells. Imagine like all available roof areas being covered, down to the top of all cars.

      I'm more interested in the increase of performance of the solar cells and this means moving away from Silicon based technology.

      If I have to have a 600sq ft array of Si cells to generate 1/5th the power needs of my home being able to buy them cheaper doesnt help me. I can't have 5 20X30 foot panels on my property because I live in the city.

      The most interesting is this process might make the procesing of other materials used in the more efficient solar electric panels either cheaper or easier (thus making it cheaper)

      Although with Si panels themselves... if everyone had 1 panel on their home in this northern midwest town tied to the grid it would make a significant difference in the electrical supply andthe amount of coal we burn every day to make that electricity...

      Although not anywhere as much as simply changing every lamp in your home from Incandesant and regular Flourescent to Compact flourescent.

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  8. Great for Solar Energy by markus_baertschi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The cost of the silicon wafers has an enormous impact on the cost of silicon solar cells. If this cost can be brought down with this new technology suddenly solar energy becomes competitive !

    Markus

  9. Probably not by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This process involves turning one chemical compound (SiO2) into a pure element (Si)

    Graphite and diamond are both pure carbon. You need those high temperatures and pressures to cause the atoms to rearrange into the crystal lattice of diamond.

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  10. Oxygen Destroyer by joneshenry · · Score: 3, Funny

    Actually, the Japanese had similar oxygen destroying technology since 1954, unfortunately, the discoverer Dr. Serizawa chose to commit suicide rather than risk having the technology made into a weapon. The technology was rediscovered in the 1990s, unfortunately, the manner in which it was re-revealed to the world led to unfavorable publicity. Only now has the furor died down enough for oxygen destroying technology to finally realize its potential.

  11. Seduced? by turgid · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Surely you mean reduced?

    Remember your chemistry? REG and LEO? Reduction is Electron Gain, Loss of Electrons is Oxidation

    The fact that oxygen is being removed from the compound should have given you a clue.

  12. more zirconium uses by lingqi · · Score: 4, Informative
    okay hate to reply to my self, but there are more uses like nuclear reactor stuff... $150/kg, though.

    btw - this kinda shows how bs was bush's little thing about saddam using ALUMINUM tubes for reactors.

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    1. Re:more zirconium uses by dubious9 · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you didn't mention nuclear reactor stuff, I would have. I worked at a large nuclear services company and we have many samples of fuel rod samples with lots of zirconium alloy.

      It's pretty neat stuff to look at, though if you didn't know you couldn't tell it from stainless steel or aluminium.

      Also I believe the aluminum tubes Bush was talking about were to be used in fuel refinement, not in a reactor. Still probably mostly bogus but possible considering the tubes the Iraqis were using for their "rocket" program were manufactured to a higher tolerance and precision than any of the leading makers (us,russia) of rocketry.

      Ore refinement into fuel and weapons grade requires obscenely precise equipment.

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  13. Re:Alchemy by Mr2cents · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hehe.. unless you find pure silicon somewhere, you will have to extract it from silicon oxide.. so, you don't make elements, you just extract them. BTW, 'making elements' is no longer called alchemy, it's called nuclear physics nowadays. :)

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  14. Delicate silicon by asciimonster · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you just eject oxygen from a structure, it would be likely that you are left with a very brittle structure, if not a powder. Remember the oxigen in the SiO2 (the sand) bridges the silicon atoms therfore the structure must be completely ruined.

    Therefore the collected silicon mus be remelted, drawn, cleaned, sliced into tiny placks, etched, washed and polished. However this is also has to be done with silicon obtained in other ways. Nowadays there are machines who can perform most of these procedures in one run.

    A short explanation of this can be found here

  15. Cost of silicon wafers by Randatola · · Score: 5, Informative
    The companies that make silicon wafers for semiconductor production start with what is considered "chemically pure" silicon, and purify it some more until it is "electronics grade" silicon. A billet (I forget their technical term for it) of silicon is grown off of a seed crystal in a furnace, in a process that takes about a month. This is then sliced along a crystal axis into wafers which are polished to a rather extraordinary degree.

    I don't know how much the raw silicon costs, but I suspect that most of the cost of the wafers comes from this month-long crystal growth and planarization. Good (ie, very flat) 200mm silicon wafers for semiconductor production can cost up to $1000 each, although they are probably much cheaper now due to lack of demand. Many processes also don't require the flattest wafers and so one can get by with wafers that cost a small fraction of that.

    1. Re:Cost of silicon wafers by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Informative
      The process described in the article only addresses how to turn silica (glass) into crystalline silicon. In current processes, the purity after this first stage is about 75% pure. The next step takes it to about 99% pure (electronic grade silicon or EGS). So the process described in the article really only affects the first stage.

      A billet (I forget their technical term for it) of silicon is grown off of a seed crystal in a furnace, in a process that takes about a month.

      The time a billet or rod grows is based on the desired length. Longer rods (don't laugh) naturally take longer. Typically, it only takes about 36 hours or so.

      I don't know how much the raw silicon costs, but I suspect that most of the cost of the wafers comes from this month-long crystal growth and planarization.

      Since it doesn't take a month to grow a crystal, the majority of costs aren't in this process. If anything, the bulk of costs are in testing the wafers. With chip features become smaller and smaller, properties and atomic defects that didn't present problems in the past can become major obstacles. A wafer can produce as many as 250 chips so every wafer has to be tested otherwise many chips could be lost. This testing takes time and resources.

      Good (ie, very flat) 200mm silicon wafers for semiconductor production can cost up to $1000 each, although they are probably much cheaper now due to lack of demand.

      The price is determined by the properties of the wafer. Flatness is only one of these properties. The amount of impurities is another. The treatment of the outer layer of the wafer (polished vs epitaxial) is by far the largest factor. These days price can be as little as $10/wafer to about $150 for a 200mm depending on its properties.

      Many processes also don't require the flattest wafers and so one can get by with wafers that cost a small fraction of that.

      The solar cell industry requires the least specifications. Many times they buy the scrapped wafers that no chip makers want.

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  16. Not the semiconductor industry... by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Most of the silicon in the world is actually used in processing metal, including steel, of various kinds.

    Only a small fraction is actually turned into wafers, and the expense in that process has less to do with turning silica into silicon, but turning impure silicon into really, really pure, single crystal silicon. [It's actually a really cool process, I wish I could remember the details. It involves bonding the silicon to something, and distilling it.] And this cost is very small compared to the cost of turning a wafer into chips.

    This discovery, if it actually saves money, will have some impact on the steel industry, but practically none on the semiconductor industry.

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  17. Titanium is possible too? by ksan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Zirconium is in the same column in the periodic table so I think it is possible that the researchers are thinking about Titanium too, because it is expensive to produce with the process available and with high potential of money return.

  18. steel, spectra, etc by lingqi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hmm, last I checked Spectra 1000 has tensile modulus of 172GPa (older version, Spectra 900 is at 117GPa or so) and steel averages around 210GPa... I wouldn't call that a huge difference. certainly more than half as you claimed.

    impressive especially considering spectra has specific weight of .97 (water at 1) and steel 7.8 or so...

    I mean, I can't imagine that if cost wasn't a consideration, any places where you wouldn't want a lighter material vs. the heavier one (except that polyethylene is not good with fire, so car engines are out).

    but i digress. steel is cheap. but damn, as far as materials go, spectra is about the sexiest we got right now (that's mass-producable, anyway).

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    1. Re:steel, spectra, etc by simong_oz · · Score: 3, Informative

      well, the specsheets on the website list the modulus (assume they are talking tensile, not bulk/shear/compressive) as 62-79GPA (spectra 900), 98-113GPa (1000) and 113-124GPa (2000) which are the numbers I used.

      I never said it wasn't impressive material; it certainly is, especially when you consider the basic material, UHMWPE, has a modulus of about 40MPa.

      I mean, I can't imagine that if cost wasn't a consideration, any place where you wouldn't want a lighter material vs. the heavier one.

      See that's just the problem. It's great in theory, but in a real-world problem there is almost never a point where cost is not a consideration. In fact, in many everyday, mundane design situations, it is the primary consideration.

      There's some far sexier materials out there though (not really mass-produced) - some of the nano-stuff that's being played with is really interesting (but completely impractical!), metallic foams and some biological materials are turning out to have some pretty impressive (and unique) combinations of material properties. Shape-memory alloys are also pretty neat.

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  19. Re:3rd post! by pyr0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, most volcanic sands don't have much quartz at all, and here is why. If it has been derived from a basaltic volcano (ie Hawaii), the composition of the sand will be extremely high in mafic (very silica poor) minerals since the source magma was low in silica. Then, if you are talking about a volcano whose melt composition is closer to the felsic (silica rich...so much so that you get quartz precipitating) side, these are typically very explosive volcanos that produce lots and lots of fine grained ash but no lava flows to weather from. What you *really* want is a sand eroding from an exposed granite. You get great big fat quartz crystals, and feldspars that turn to clay very quickly. And that's just if you want to find a loose sand that will be quartz rich. What I would do is actually get a hold of some mining rights out in the Southwest US somewhere and start a quarry operation on all the excellent quartz sandstone they've got.

  20. The Zircon Age?! by Caoch93 · · Score: 3, Funny
    I'm guessing Neal Stephenson was a little bit off...it won't be The Diamond Age for us but instead The Zircon Age, a cheap knockoff of the cyberpunk world Neal envisioned.

    There's something ironic about that... ;)

  21. Re:Cheaper Zirconium? by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Would discovering that the diamond is fake be grounds for having the marriage annulled?

  22. Effect on space development by apsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Silica is the primary component of the Moon's surface (and Earth's too) - this technique could greatly reduce the cost to produce useful things (like oxygen as a fuel component and for life in space, and silicon for solar cells) out of bulk lunar material.

    Large-scale space construction is coming, and will provide one of the major markets for lunar materials. Martin Rees has a new book out that is pretty clear on why we need to develop space resources. Here's another enabling technology - now let's go do it!

    By the way, anybody in the SF bay area this coming weekend should check out the International Space Development Conference in San Jose, where we'll be discussing a lot of these ideas, and more!

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  23. this is a new method? by Doppler00 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They have been doing this with aluminum for decades. They put aluminum oxide in molten sodium aluminum floride and use electricity to seperate the oxygen from aluminum. I'm suprised that a similar technique for silicon was just recently invented.

    1. Re:this is a new method? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Informative
      You're right. The general idea of using electricity to separate silicon isn't new. But the way they are doing it is new.

      The first stage of silicon refinement takes silica and makes it silicon to about 75% pure. The second stage takes the silicon to 99% pure. But this stage involves making silicon into a gas. Electricity is used to charge a small, very pure seed crystal so that the gaseous silicon deposits on it.

      I think why it took them so longer to do it with solid silicon is the fact that aluminum is a metal and silicon is a semiconductor. There are details which allows them to bridge this gap that are probably not explained in the article.

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  24. Production of Semiconductor-Grade silicon by GreyMage · · Score: 4, Informative

    WOW, a subject where I seem to be the first "expert" to post.

    I work in the semiconductor industry. (actually, for one of he largest producers of semiconductor-grade silicon in the world,) and I'm intimately familiar with the process to turn silicon from sand into wafers for chip manufacture. At my work, we are the middle step. I'll explain:

    Semiconductor-grade silicon is ultra-pure silicon metal (I mean parts-per-billion atomic purity.) All the semi-grade Si in the world is produced in approximately the same way.

    Silica (sand) is reduced to "metallurgical grade" silicon (~99.5% pure) in an arc furnace process, the sand is melted with a reducing agent (often carbon), and the molten metal is poured off. (this is a very cool process. The smelter has a hole in the bottom that is allowed to freeze shut with Si, and when they're ready to pour, someone shoots out the Si plug with a shotgun. Cool job)

    This metallurgical grade Si is sold to intermediate producers who grind it to a fine powder, and react it with gaseous HCl in fluid bed reactors to generate chlorosilanes (H3SiCl, H2SiCl2, HSiCl3, SiCl4.) These chlorosilanes are then distilled to very high purity ~99.999% or more.

    The chlorosilanes (different ones for different manufacturers) are then used in the Siemens process to produce semiconductor-grade POLYCRYSTALLINE silicon. The process works by Chemical Vapor Deposition. Ultra-pure silicon rods are placed in a reactor in an inverted U shape, and each end of the U is connected to an electrical circuit. The atmosphere inside the reactor is purged of all gasses and then chlorosilane vapors are introduced. Huge amounts of electricity are used to heat the U circuits to incandescence (imagen a 600 megawatt lightbulb) and the ultra-pure chlorosilanes decompose into Si and HCl at the surface of the rods.

    The problem with the silicon, at this point, is that it's polycrystalline, not single crystal. In order to produce proper IC's, the crystal structure of the silicon must be perfect 1,1,1 crystal. Polycrystalline silicon (a.k.a. poly) is a random oriented growth where the crystal structures of many crstals have grown together. The poly is reduced in size and sent to a crystal pulling facility (wafer fab) where it is used in the Czoralski process for making wafers.

    The CZ process consists of melting a large amount of poly, then dipping in a "seed" crystal. This perfect single-crystal specimen is "dipped" into the molten silicon while being rotated. The seed is then carefully "pulled" upwards while rotating, and the resulting ingot grows in diameter based on the pull speed, and several other factors (300mm is current state of the art.)

    Once the pull is completed, a ~1000+ kg log of single crystal silicon is made, and is ready for final processing to wafers. The tapered ends are removed (top and tail) and the "log" is shaved down perfectly round and to the proper diameter. Diamond impregnated wire saws are used to slice the log into wafers, the wafers are lapped and polished, and they are ready to have IC's printed on them. (some are further processed, but you get the gist.

    HTH

    GM

    1. Re:Production of Semiconductor-Grade silicon by GreyMage · · Score: 3, Informative

      DOH!! I hate to reply to myself, but I realized that I may not have made it clear. The carbothermal process that the article talks about is the process for making metallurgical-grade Si. This is a relatively cheap part of the overall semiconductor process which is overshadowed by orders of magnitude. The purification from 99.5-99.9% to 99.9999999% via all the chlorination and distillations is big, then the electrical costs of re-depositing solid silicon is HUGE by comparison. Then there's the cost of the wafer pulling and prep.

      Bottom line: this will have almost no effect on semiconductor prices. Might be useful for solar, but that's doubtful also, because solar cells need better purity than metallurgical grade Si.

      Solar cell producers regularly buy semiconductor byproduct material such as the semiconductor wafer cut-offs, and downgraded poly that doesn't meet semi spec.