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GNOME 2.3 Snapshot, KDE 3.1.2 Released
BSD Forums writes "The GNOME Development Series Snapshot 2.3.1 "Daddy Walrus", is now available. FreeBSD's Joe Marcus Clarke has ported this release (2.3) on FreeBSD and is looking for your testing help. Also, the KDE Project announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.1.2, a maintenance release for the third generation of this UNIX desktop."
I don't have a problem with that as much as I have problems with the UIs themselves. All those developers, and they still haven't been able to produce a window manager that I like better than OS X. ::sigh:: ...
-- shayborg
As opposed to, say, Windows, where you have the classic Windows 95-style interface and the newer Windows XP-style interface.
Oh, but perhaps you can claim that Windows XP has a standard UI. In that case, you can similarly claim that Mandrake Linux has a standard UI.
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All this new GNOME and KDE stuff is great, but what I really want to know is, when will Ximian's release of GNOME 2.x be ready? Their GNOME 1.x release far surpassed what everyone else was doing with it at the time. If their 2.x is similarly superior, it's really going to be super slick.
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Honestly I'd rather have one UI I think is decent than a gazillion subpar ones.
-- shayborg
How can I tell how cool it is without screenshots?
I totally agree with you on this one. I was a die hard RH fan up till 8.0 came out. Within days I grabbed a copy of SuSE 8.1 and haven't looked back ever since. I still believe the RH makes a good distro, but I really did not like how they mangled KDE and the ability to easily customize it.
-Cnik
I'd like to applaud the method the KDE team uses, releasing maintenance releases that focus on fixing bugs and improving stability.
I've seen too many patches and fixes that insist in introducing new components or functionality at the same time as a fix. The separation of "fix" and "feature" is a critical one for minimizing the number of new bugs introduced.
While KDE is by no means the only project where this is practiced, they are a big one and it is a method that should be praised and emulated whenever possible.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Personally I don't see what the big deal over KDE was. Mandrake also use a global theme. The other changes they made were minor, except altering some apps to use the best, instead of whatever happens to use Qt or KDE. As I always had to do that myself with SuSE, it's nice for it to be done for me these days.
In RH9 they screwed up the KDE panel, the Icons look really bad when you set the panel size to "small". This bug was not in vanilla KDE. They also insist on changing all the KDE panel contents every time I log in. I have four Linux boxes at home running on NFS/NIS. When I log in to RH9 on the server, it does something to my Desktop customizations. I then log in to RH7.3 in my room and the vanilla KDE is screwed up because RH9 has "upgraded" me to their KDE flavour.
The solution appeared to me to upgrade all four boxes to the same level, and I was pissed off enough at RedHat to have gone to SuSE instead. Why? Because their KDE does not suck as much, and because all of their system configuration tools are written in Qt, which makes them consistent with the rest of the desktop.
I know that this is getting off topic, but I also would like to mention that SuSE is cheaper (the Pro version), comes with great documentation, and supports ALSA. Also, RH9 did not recognize my TV card on setup, but SuSE did - more points for SuSE. And another thing - SuSE employes KDE coders, so I would rather compensate them by purchasing the SuSE Linux.
Paul.
The press releases have been like that since 3.0, I don't about stuff before that. They're just trying to appear more professional, nothing wrong with that.
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It wasn't amusing, it was just stupid. Everyone knows that the purpuse of Debian stable is to be stable, and therefore it does not carry development releases. Pointing that out every time a remotely-related thread comes around is utterly pointless.
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.
SuSE have many who support them on the grounds of technical excellence. They may be correct. But to me the use of a proprietary installer is sufficient to move then to the "do not choose" list. Like Xandros, Lindows, etc. They may be perfectly good distributions, but the installer as well as the code needs to be Free Software. I don't mind software that's merely Open Source, or even closed source, in many areas, but the basics (the OS, the compilers, the shell) must be Free Software, and preferably GPL. And if the installer isn't Free Software, then you are perpetually dependant on the continued good faith of the vendor. And managements change.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.