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Sports Titles Named Misleadingly?

According to an accusatory column in the sports section of the New York Post, naming the 2003-season sports videogame titles as 'Sports Game Title 2004' is dishonest. The writer suggests that "..when it comes to selling video games.. Major League Baseball and all big-league sports eagerly sell their licenses and logos to manufacturers who can't or won't tell the simplest and most significant of truths.." Have you been confused by this naming method, or do you think it's fair and understandable?

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  1. So _that's_ why by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2, Funny

    Red Grange appears in Madden 2003!

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  2. so what by bobgoatcheese · · Score: 2

    Seriously though, this has been standard pratice in the sports gaming industry for over a decade. Everyone who plays these games is well aware of which season's rosters are included, and even if they aren't common sense should hold that if the league's draft hasn't even happened when the title is released, the rosters aren't going to be correct for the NEXT year's season.

    It's almost June, soon I'll be able to purchase a 2004 model car. Stupid? You bet. Confusing? Only to an idiot.

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    1. Re:so what by bobgoatcheese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even so, when I was a kid asking my parents to buy video games for me I made certain to give them the exact title of the game. I knew the difference between "Street Fighter," "Final Fight," "Streets of Rage," and "Street Fighter 2 Turbo," would be lost on my mother, so I made certain to point out which one was the right one. I think this would be the case with most kids who are far more interested in gaming than their parents. Even if the kid wasn't as thoughtful as I was (=D) the parent would more than likely ask if confused over the naming of a title.

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  3. What about ChessMaster 4000? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought I was getting technology from 2 millenia in the future! Those lying bastards!

    What about Mystery Science Theater 3000, or even worse, the Gruntmaster 9000?! What about Warhammer 40000?!?!?!!!

    It's worse than you can imagine!

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  4. Ironic.. by Cyclone66 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "YOU think it would make news if the salespersons at Bud Selig's car dealerships were trained to deceive customers into thinking that they'd purchased 2003 models when they actually bought 2002 models?"

    Isn't it Ironic.

  5. Slow news day? by ctr2sprt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Who actually gets worked up about this stuff? The actual number doesn't matter; they could call it NHL 1, then NHL 2, then NHL 3, and it wouldn't matter. The important thing is quickly being able to tell which is the newest, with a minimum amount of thinking. The problem with "sequels" is that you have no way of knowing the endpoint. There could be an NHL 4 you don't know about. So we go with years. And here, the actual number doesn't matter, as long as the rule is unchanged. The game covering the (ongoing) hockey year could be NHL 2002, or NHL 2003. It doesn't really matter which you choose, as long as next season's game is NHL n+1.

    Besides, this is not exactly something people are unfamiliar with. I graduated from high school in the Class of '97, which means I began my senior year in the fall of 1996 and completed my senior year in the spring of 1997. This is exactly the same way sports games are numbered. Sports seasons are more formally called the "2002-2003 season," but if you want confusing, look at a couple of those next to each other. ("Do I want 2001-2002, 2002-2003, or 2003-2004?") Besides, "NHL 2k3" is much easier to say that "NHL 2k2 to 2k3." If you have to pick one year, at least for hockey, it makes sense to pick the second year, which is where the majority of games fall. Ditto for basketball, I think (but I'm not sure).

    The guy who wrote this article is basically an idiot. You know what? I have never gotten the wrong sports game. Nor have I even come close. I looked at the box, saw one number, and then thought "Oh, it must be like graduation dates." I then confirmed my guess by looking at the price tag. A game that's a year old is not going to sell for $50. If it is, you're shopping at the wrong store. The EA Sports games sell for about $20 6 months after they come out. So it's very simple, even if you don't understand the reasoning at all: the most expensive product is the newest. Anyone who's spent more than $15 in his entire life should already be familiar with this rule, since it applies to everything.

  6. Oh come on by RaboKrabekian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If a gamer's buying a sports title in, say, 2003, and he's confused about which to buy, here's what's going to happen. He goes in to a store and sees:

    Madden 2003 - 19.95
    Madden 2004 - 49.94

    Which is he going to think is the more recent title?

    How hard is this to figure out? Please, show me one case where a gamer has been seriously swindled by this.

    In other news, EA Sports recently reset their baseball franchise back a year to correct this.

    To sum up: Yes, it's silly that sports games are usually named a year ahead of where they should. Is it really that big of a deal? No. Go find something more important to bitch about.

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    1. Re:Oh come on by Squirrel+Killer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      This year, unsuspecting shoppers will think that two editions of the game - this year's and last year's - are the current versions.
      How hard is this to figure out? Please, show me one case where a gamer has been seriously swindled by this.
      I don't buy this moron's argument either, but I still have a problem with the naming convention. I just never thought to write it up and submit it to a nationally known newspaper.

      My problem is more historical nitpicking, expectation of league standings, and well, calling a spade a spade than it is an accusation of fraud. I can go back and play NHLPA '93 or NHL '96 on my Sega Genesis, but the team rosters I'm playing with are from the '92 and '95 seasons. The All-Star Baseball 2003 game has the Cincinnati Reds playing at Cynergy Field instead of the Great American Ballpark. If I want to play with Jeff George as my QB, which team do I choose in Madden '98? What's the earliest NBA game I can play with the Toronto Raptors? More importantly, you're playing Madden '04 against your buddy who picked the Raiders, do you pick the Rams or the Buccaners?

  7. Storm in a teacup by grahamwest · · Score: 3, Informative

    The games are named after the seasons for the sports. The leagues all designate the season by the year in which the 'final' is played. This september will see the start of the 2004 NFL season because the Superbowl for that season will be played in Februrary of 2004. As such the NFL videogames coming out at that time will be Madden 2004, NFL2K4 and so on.

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  8. They CAN'T Rename Them by MBCook · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This was mentioned on X-Play (on TechTV) the other day. The fact is they CAN'T rename the titles. I don't know how it started, but there are two reasons they can't change it.

    First, if they change it, then what do they call the first title with the new naming scheme? The old one was "Madden 2k3", and the new one will be... "Madden 2k3"? That won't work. Will they call it "Madden 2k3 2.0"? I don' think that will work either. They can't call it "Madden", because most people would probably assume "Madden 2k3" (the older title) would be newer than the one named "Madden".

    But more to the point, if one company changes things and names it correctly (so the game that comes out in 2k3 is called 2k3, not 2k4) then they are at a LOSS compared to the competition. If Joe Schmoe goes to buy a football game for his PS2/XBox/GCN and sees the following three things, which one is he least likely to buy:

    • Football '04 (wrong)
    • Madden 2k3 (correct)
    • NFL 2004 (wrong)

    I say he will be least likely to buy Madden (all else being equal to him) because it seems "older" than the other titles. So unless EVERYONE in the industry switches at once, it seems like it's not in the best intreset of any of the publishers to correct the naming problem. I think this is just something that we'll all just learn to accept like the naming of cars model years.

    PS: Sorry to pick on Madden, it's just the name of the first football game to come to my mind, so I used it as an example. I haven't played ANY football games in years (not my thing) so don't go fanboy on me and take it as some kind of judgement.

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  9. doesn't work for MLB by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Acclaim released All-Star Baseball 2004 on just 28 February of this year. Unless Reggie Jackson was "Mr. January" and not "Mr. October", the World Series will be played this fall, in 2003. 989 Studios (PS2) has a current title: MLB 2004. 3Do's "High Heat 2004" is due out soon. Midway publishes MLB 20-04 for the GBA.

    Contrarily, EA Sports' current offering is "MVP Baseball 2003".

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  10. Retarded by pudge · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "Madden NFL 2003" was released before the 2002 NFL season. "MVP Baseball 2003" is the 2002 version. "NCAA Football 2003" was released in July, 2002. "NFL 2K3" should've been named "NFL 2K2."


    First, MVP Baseball 2003 is not "the 2002 version." That is a lie. It has 2002 stats because the 2003 stats do not exist. Duh.

    As to the others, they *all* take place in the 2002-2003 season. The seasons are all 2003, and the name of the game is 2003. He could say, "well, but the stats are 2001-2002," but that has already been dispensed with (and in the case of Madden, it isn't even true, since you can update the stats on the PS2 version to BE the 2002-2003 stats).

    Yes, he has a point with High Heat 2004. That leapfrogs an entire season, and literally makes no sense. But logical arguments can be made for all the others mentioned.
  11. Industry Standards by windowpain · · Score: 2, Informative

    They do this in the magazine industry too. The copies of Newsweek and Time that came out today are dated May 26. Monthly magazines are dated a month or two in advance. So I just think of the cover date as the date the magazine will be pulled from the shelf.

    And of course the hard disk industry insists a megabyte is 1,000 bytes, not 1,024.

    Just assume they're goosing the stats and you won't be pissed off when they do.

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  12. I don't like sport so much. by trouser · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or sport.
    You know what I like ? Beer and pizza. Where are all the beer and pizza games ? Remember that one where the kid delivered papers ? That was a stupid game, I hated that game and you could never quite control him properly and he kept hitting the mail box and I think there were little dogs maybe I don't know but sports games I know about and I don't care for them at all, didn't I used to get beat up by sports guys at school ? And now I'm supposed to relive my worst memories of high school by immersing myself in simulations of the activities these boneheads held sacred ? That blows goats. I liked the one on the Intellivision with the baseball. The crowd cheering sounded a bit like a crowd cheering. Or like a radio tuned to no station in particular playing static. But a bit like a crowd. The capital of Finland is Helsinki.

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