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Review of Sony Clie TG-50
Anonymous Howard writes "Designtechnica has a review of the Sony Clie TG-50 (pictures of it are on their summary page.) Not only does this PDA look cool, but you can go into your local electronics store and hassle people by turning on and off the home electronics there. My favorite quote from the review: "A visit to a local consumer electronics store that shall remain nameless proved that the Clie TG50 is quite capable of controlling most electronics on the market, with some exceptions. I wandered the store turning devices on and off, frustrating a few customers who were shopping.""
Ohhh... so you're the dick who kept me from testing out that home theatre set up...
Can't just about every PDA on the planet do this now? The first Palm devices could do this, so can Newtons if I understand.. Who cares.
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Why is this guy gushing about a built in voice recorder and IR remote control features like this? Wasn't the IPAQ 39xx series doing this like a year ago?
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Pilot-link works nicely. Note that USB links are a bit tricky - you need to start pilot-xfer shortly after you start the hotsync, but not too long or too short.
A few questions, off the top of my head, that I'd love to see answered:
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Why have lots and lots of PDA:s moved away from the graffit or similar type-in methods and moved onto the keyboard the size of two stamps overlapping?
I dont want to park the stylus when I want to write something, and then have to pick it out again to access menues or other programs. I want one consistent way of accessing the device. Keyboard for typing alot of things, if I want to type much on this digital device, I will use a laptop. And not this tiny keyboard anyway.
More inovative graffiti etc. then keyboards on pdas! - Good thing I bought a Tungsten T, it rules. I just hope for the wavelan-sd-card to be good and to come out sooooon! - Sandisk said it would be out this summer for palmOS5 atleast.
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Something that has a feasible battery life, not huge, and has integrated wireless? The Zaurus was almost there...except it lacked just about all three!@!
Show me a blackberry 957 size device that runs OZ and has wireless and a great batterylife, and im sold.
Some expansion would be nice too!
This IR remote crap etc. etc. is garbage. Focus on the REAL problems with PDA's today.
Rob
Are the times so hard that the editors need to accept this kind of half digested press release as article ? No content whatsoever in the article. I believe Slashdot should have a 'products annoucements' section so I can filter out this kind of crap. Critical technical reviews are useful, but the laudatory prose of Sony fanboys is more than I can bear.
While otherwise a nice handheld, the #1 reason why I DID NOT buy a Clie TG50 is the screen - it is lit from the bottom by four or five LEDs (or similar) and there is a very noticable fringe of bright spots in this area in sort of a scalloped pattern. Very distracting.
I have a Palm Tungsten T.. My wife has a CLIE NX60 which does not exhibit this problem. We're both happy.
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When I found out about the TG50, I immediately thought that this would be "THE" Clie for me. The price is right and the spec is pretty impressive... Palm OS 5, 200 Mhz processor, built-in keyboard, and built-in Bluetooth. Bluetooth is significant for me as I already own a Bluetooth phone and I want to do hot-sync to my PC via Bluetooth.
Last night I had my first opportunity to check out the TG50 at a local store. But in my 30 minutes of playing with it, I found several annoyances with this unit. They really bugged me and they made me change my mind about getting the TG50.
I'll warn you that my review will be negative because I'm disappointed with this model for the reasons I'll explain below. I'm *not* saying that this model is bad. This is a very capable unit that will make a lot of people happy. Unfortunately those annoyances do really bug me and I won't be happy with it.
OK, here are some of the annoyances I found:
I found that the flip cover is a bit hard to open. When the cover is closed, its edges are flush against the unit and there's no easy way to grab it with my fingers. Also because the cover is so thin, my fingers always grab both the unit and the cover at the same time, making it even more difficult to open the cover.
The TG50 doesn't have a dedicated Graffiti area. Actually this is a feature of Palm OS 5, which supports "virtual" Graffiti pad (the Graffiti pad can be shown on the screen as necessary). The other Clie models that implement this is the NX and NZ models. They have a small "soft" button on the right hand corner of the screen to show/hide the virtual Graffiti pad. I use the term "soft" button for buttons that are shown on the screen itself (as opposed to real "hard" button). On the NX and NZ, you can show/hide the Graffiti pad anytime you like.
The TG50, on the other hand, has a dedicated hard button to show/hide the virtual Graffiti pad. Immediately I found some quirks with this button.
1. Apparently Sony implements a rule that "you can show the Graffiti pad ONLY if you're currently in text mode" (i.e. with the cursor blinking). If you're not in text mode, pressing this button will give you an error message! Note that in the NX/NZ, you can display the Graffiti pad at will, regardless of whether you're in text mode or not. This is very annoying IMHO to say the least because now I cannot use Graffiti unless I'm editing text.
2. When the Graffiti pad appears on the screen, it occupies about the bottom 3/4 of the screen. The upper 1/4 area is used to show what you're editing/typing (fields, row, etc). So if you're editing a long memo for example, you see only 3 or 4 lines at a time.
3. I found it very clumsy to display/hide the Graffiti using the hard button. You're holding the stylus, then you have to press the button with your finger. Do this several times and you'll see what I mean.
4. I don't understand why but I get the impression that Sony seems to favor the keyboard than Graffiti. But then the keyboard is also hard to use. The keyboard is cramped and the keys are really close to one another and they don't have good tactile feedback when pressed. I found that the keyboard on the NX/NZ is way better.
To conclude, those are the flaws I found in my first 30 minute of using the TG50. It's a very nice package with a nice spec, but I can't stand the annoyances so I gave it 2 stars. If you're looking into buying this unit, please try it first and see if you can live with the annoyances I described.
As for me, I've decided to go with the NX60. The NX60 price has fallen and now it can be had for just a few bucks more than the TG50. I've played with the unit a lot and I haven't found anything I don't like about it.
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I can't see much of a point. Phone number storage? I have that on my mobile phone anyways. Note taking? Pen and paper seem to have better input capabilities and work faster. Calendar? Again, a normal mobile phone seems to foot the bill on alarms anyways. Email, I'm still back to the phone. I suppose a Handspring Treo could make my life easier having more functionality than a normal phone, but I have a tendancy to break things that are on my body, glasses, bones, pagers, lesser phones (I carry a durable one) I couldn't imagine trying to keep something as expensive as a PDA with me all the time.
Does anyone else share this same view. I'll admit that I find the Sharp Zarus somewhat appealing, for one thing it has a mini keyboard, and for another it runs Linux (maybe I would install a palm emulator on it), but I still can't seem to justify that eaither. With notebooks becoming more PDA like, and PDAs becoming more notebook like, they're bound to meet in the middle. I would say something like a mini notebook, like the ones that have the Transmetta processors, or a Treo which would merge a device I already carry anyways are the only way I could justify adding computing power to my normal walk around aresonal. I'll leave PDAs in my mental CEO toys catagory.
Am I the only one that feels this way?
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I do not use the remote function. I do not have any SONY equiptment for my home entertainment center. It does not come with Zenith TV codes, or Apex DVD codes and I could not get the Sanyo VCR codes to work. (up close) I have not checked to see if I could download other codes.
The lack of a graffiti area is a pain. Sony obviously expects you to use the keyboard. Unfortunately you can not tap your pen on the keyboard because it will slide off the keys and the keyboard requires the force that can only effectively be applied directly from your fingers. The number keys are a pain because there is not a separate number row and you must hold down 2 keys (Shift + number) to enter in numeric data. There is a button on the top right (which is actually designed to be tapped with the stylus) which will bring up a grafitti area over the screen, (similar to pulling up the keyboard area with a real input area) and it allows you to use grafitti on any input field. However this approach will not let you enter menu shortcuts (like "/F").
I have a 128MB memory stick so I cannot answer the question about the 256MB.
So far the battery life seems very good, but My PDA use is probably a little less than average. Also my last clie ended up with a poorly conditioned battery after only 6 months.
I do not want to sound too negative. I do like it, it has beautiful graphic capabilities, nice sound, and a few nice other features. But, you do not want this Clie if you enter a lot of data into it regularly because of the lack true grafitti. Also the price can't be justified if you are looking for a remote control.
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That's not the correct answer, that's nonsense.
The current version Graffiti 2 (which uses Jot) does not infringe on any Xerox patents.
Thumbboards are popular because consumers like them.
Most people, long term palm owners included, find no difference in speed between a Graffiti system and a thumbboard, the added advantage of a thumbboard being that you don't need to learn how to use it. Plenty of reviews on Palm sites, like PalmInfoCenter, have come to this conclusion.
I think good hand writing recongnition (as found in on later Newtons) is faster however, but to use it effectively you need a physically larger (Newton-)sized screen, which current PDA's do not have.
I really like PalmOS and its derivatives--I've looked at Zaurus, WindowsCEPocketPCTinyHPCompaqGizmo or whatever it's called, Psion, and a number of others. I bought a Clie 760, because I love the screen quality and the case worksmanship. However, I have three major gripes with Clies.
First, Sony's support is utterly abysmal. I mean it is worse than worst. A friend, who is one of their European product managers, was not surprised when I tried to tell him my tale of woe, trying to get them to replace the screen on my Clie (which I purchased in the US.) The screen scratches easily, which is mainly my fault for not putting a cover on it. Would they replace it (even if I paid for it) in Europe? Fat chance. Talk about helpdesk hell.
PalmOS doesn't, to my knowledge, have an IP stack. I would have thought that, by now, someone would come up with at least a rudimentary way to access network resources. Not too tragic.
The last, worst thing, is that the Clie does not have any concept of a 'filesystem' as I understand it. I can insert a 128MB memory stick, but I cannot run applications from it. I can move files used by applications to that memory stick, but unless they're memory stick-aware Sony Clie apps, they will not find the files.
And, my perennial gripe with the Clie, it's got this cool memory stick import tool, where I can use it as a storage device on a Windows PC (gave up trying to get it all working nicely on my FreeBSD boxes). I can copy files back and forth when the Clie is in its cradle, but I cannot then access those files with my generic applications. Lame.
I would be more than grateful if anyone can suggest a way around this. I know asking for a palmtop
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I had been watching the market for a few months when I decided to buy the TG-50. I had a Handspring Prism previously (Palm VII, Palm IIIe, original Palm Pilot previous to all that) and it was serving me well except for the weight and size. The price point is good for the features on the TG-50--Palm OS 5, 200MHz processor, memory stick reader, 320x320 screen, etc.
Things I found out I liked about the unit that aren't obvious in your typical visit to the store:
The screen--very readable in bright sunlight!!! I didn't even bother taking my Prism out when outdoors. 320x320 is very sharp even on the calendar/address book type screens.
The keyboard--I'm pretty into Grafitti, and didn't think the keyboard was easy to use. After taking countless notes and appointments, it's great and much faster then getting into writing mode with the hard button. Give it a chance. Tactile feedback of the keys means nothing--if you know where the QWERTY keys are, you can just fly along with the thing. Don't look at your fingers, look at the sreen!!! Arrow keys rock!
Bluetooth--I have a Bluetooth phone (Ericsson R520m). I just enter my contacts full information in the TG-50 and you can dial your phone with it. Single address book. Connected it to my friends Powerbook, worked well. Easy to link devices together over bluetooth. Don't have a bluetooth adapter on my PC yet. Can only be more BT devices coming out.
Real alert sounds and speaker--not just a beep when your appt is up, and no more asking "Was that you or me beeping?" in a room of people. Can record your own sounds with the voice recorder and then convert it to a "system sound" and use it as an alert. Can play some sort of MIDI file too.
Note field length--has been increased greatly! Not sure if that's a Sony thing or an OS 5 thing, but it's wonderful. I take tons of notes and documentation on my handheld--I try hard to run paperless and it's working pretty well.
And some things I didn't like after a while....
Flip case--stated before here, very difficult to open. Needs some kind of edge to grab it. I find it opens best from the bottom edge--just slide your thumb up the bottom face and the lid usually comes with it. Or middle finger on the top of the unit, thumb on the edge of the lid works well too. One positive about it, having a hard cover over the screen is much more protective then the leather cover I had over my Prism. You also don't press the screen or buttons by accident when the unit is in your pocket. That happened all the time with my Prism.
Power button--it's a sliding button on the left side of the unit. Has a hold function as well so you don't turn it on by accident. Coming from the Prism with the front-mounted button, this totally blows. A sliding button???!? I often feel obligated to use the hold position when puttin the unit in my pocket, but when you go to turn it on by pressing one of the 4 hot keys the power LED just flashes at you, then you remember it's on hold and slide the power switch to ON, then press your hot key again. Takes getting used to, but it's annoying.
Keyboard vs Stylus--when you're entering something, say, in the address book with the keyboard, there is no way to get to the next field that I have found. You have to tap the next field with the stylus/finger and then start typing again. No TAB or ENTER or down arrow. MAJOR flaw there. If you use just the stylus in writing mode, you can't see enough of the screen to really enter things or scroll through or go fast enough to make it worth while as compared to the keys.
Keyboard shortcuts--Not sure if this is a Sony thing or what but I used to be able to do a Cut and Paste via Grafitti on my Prism with slash C and slash P. This unit does not have that feature. It does have CTRL-C, CTRL-X, CTRL-V for copy, cut and paste on the keyboard.
Speed--yes, too much speed can be a bad thing. Either Sony or Palm needs to build in compensation for processor speed when it co
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Actually, this has absolutely nothing to do with pilot-link. It has to do with the way USB on any hardware is handled. You have to make the physical electrical connection between Palm handheld and Cradle before the hardware (your computer) can see the device, map a driver against the device, and allow you to communicate across it.
That being said, the pilot-link maintainer (hey, that's me!) has fixed this in a pseudo-fashion by adding a sleep() loop in the latest CVS code that I can see, which means you can launch pilot-link first, or hit the HotSync button on your Palm/Cradle first, and it will "Just Work".
Both of these tools, built on top of the libraries provided by pilot-link, provide their own daemon process; kpilotDaemon from KPilot in KDE-land, and gnome-pilot (gpilotd) in GNOME-land, which polls for device creation in /proc, and binds accordingly.
Other than being built upon pilot-link, these applications have nothing whatsoever to do with the pilot-link codebase. This means, for those who don't run GNOME or KDE (a growing percentage from what I understand), this is not an option, so they use pilot-link and J-Pilot (also built upon libraries provided by pilot-link).