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Bismuth No Longer the Heaviest Stable Element

forii writes "Bismuth-209 was commonly thought to be the heaviest stable element. But now Physicists have discovered that Bi-209 actually is unstable and decays with a halflife of 2*10^19 years. This means that the average 8oz (237ml) bottle of Pepto-Bismol contains one decay event every 36 hours or so."

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  1. I can see the headlines now... by renehollan · · Score: 4, Funny
    Pepto-Bismol DANGER!!!

    [shock-rag wire service] Scientists discover that bismuth, a major component of Pepto-Bismol , is RADIOACTIVE and decays into the TOXIC POISON thallium.

    While the decay rate is the slowest observed to date and, in fact, sets a record, it is noted that NO MINIMUM SAFE EXPOSURE LEVEL has been established for radiation exposure, and there is NO CURE for thallium posioning.

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  2. 2*10^19? by Niahak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's a really long time. I mean, really long. The universe is considered to be 15 to 20 billion years by most who decide to actually guess. That means that, if the universe is 20 billion years old... and 1 g of Bi-209 was produced at the beginning of the universe, it would take another 1.999999998*10^19 years before half of the Bi-209 was left. I wonder if our universe will even reach that age, if the big bang 'cycle' theory holds to be true.

  3. First Nitpick Post! by fm6 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Bismuth-209 is not an element. Bismuth is the element -- Bismuth-209 is one of its isotopes. So the headline should read, "Bismuth no longer the heaviest element with a stable isotope". Except that's misleading too -- it sounds like they've found one even heavier. How about... oh, never mind.

    Incidentally, all elements have unstable isotopes. Bismuth's are pretty rare, but they do exist!

    Bismuth obsessive will rejoice in the web site of the Bismuth Producers Association.

    I prefer Tums, myself.

  4. Second Nitpick Post! by slug359 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bismuth-209 is the most common isotope of bismuth (with its mean atomic mass being 208.98038), so it would be acceptable to say ' Bismuth No Longer the Heaviest Stable Element', according to webelements and The Jefferson Lab.

  5. Francium? Freedomium by infernalC · · Score: 4, Funny

    GAITHERSBURG, MD
    22 May 2003

    Today, the National Institute for Standards and Technology, the civilian agency of the US Government responsible for researching and making available data concerning the physical properties of substances including chemical elements, annouces the discontinued use of francium as the name of the 87th chemical element.

    "It's just not appropriate to continue to refer to an element by the name of a nation whose inaction is tantamount to condoning terrorism," said Dr. Hratch G. Semerjian, director of the Chemical Science and Technology Laboratory. "We decided that it would be better to refer to the 87th element as Freedomium in honor of those who died to secure the liberty of our country.

    Asked if the agency would once again return to calling the 87th element francium, Semerjian said that the element would not return to its former name. "We are prepared to take whatever action is necessary to liberate any element whose nomenclature is derived from a repressive regime."

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  6. "Contained" is right! by Markus+Registrada · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Imagine my surprise at finding that Slashdot got something right: forii wrote that a "bottle of Pepto-Bismol contains one decay event" every 36 hours, and it does! Those alpha particles can't get through the glass.

    Not only that, he never said "it's" when he meant "its".

    My favorite element, by the way, is Osmium. It sublimates dreadfully toxic fumes from a solid state at room temperature, and nobody knows exactly what its specific gravity is, nor whether it or Iridium is the heaviest element.

  7. Re:For the non-chemists/physisicists like me... by metamathica · · Score: 5, Informative
    Disclaimer: my degree in physics qualifies me to paint a general picture here. Technical nitpicks are always welcome.


    In the article, it mentions that people actually have predicted this decay using theory. The nucleus is not completely understood, but the theory of basic decay phenomena is pretty complete.

    Any time you talk about the quanta of physics, you need to use quantum mechanics. The quanta are of course the so-called fundamental particles, including the proton, neutron and electron.

    The nucleus is held together by the strong force. This force must be very strong to keep the protons, whose like charge repels one another, very close together. The strong force only pulls over very short distances: if some nucleons get far enough, their electromagnetic repulsion will continue to push each other apart and they will be separated permanently.

    However, the particles in the nucleus don't have enough energy to get over the hump, so nuclei are stable. This is where quantum mechanics applies. Even if the hump is very tall, the nonlocality of quantum mechanics means that some particles can escape if the hump isn't very wide. Because they have a probabilistic spread in space, some of them can creep to the other side. When they get lucky like this, a nuclear decay occurs. The details of the nucleus determine how high the barrier and how wide the hump, both of which affect the probability of tunneling.

    In stable nuclei, particles are prohibited from escaping. In this case, it's not that the hump is too high, but that it's asymmetrical. If the nuclear force is strong enough compared to the energy of the nucleons, it can dig a deep well for the particles. In this case, having some possibility of getting past the hump doesn't really help: the area on the other side of the hump is prohibited regardless.

    One way to think of this process is to say that quantum mechanics would allow you to borrow the energy you need to jump over a fence as long as you fell back down on the other side, no matter how tall the fence.

    But you can't keep the borrowed energy, so you could never jump to the top of a roof, even if it were no taller than the wall you just jumped over.

  8. Re:Third Nitpick Post by bobowla · · Score: 3, Informative

    How about "Bismuth not stable; Lead now heaviest stable element". (Polonium has no stable isotopes).

  9. Proton decay by reverseengineer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "Other kinds of decays such as protons from proton-rich nuclei could be studied by the same method but this will have to be proved!"

    This could prove to be the most important use of this technique, as most proposed Grand Unified Theories have interactions that can turn quarks into leptons, so that a proton would be expected to eventually decay into a positron and a meson. Unfortunately, this process has never been observed (well, only somewhat unfortunately, as high proton stability is definitely a Good Thing in most ways), and experiment and theory have thus set a lower bound on the lifetime of a proton of roughly 10^33 years, about 23 orders of magnitude greater than the estimated current age of the universe.

    As you can see, compared to the suggested lifetime of a proton, even Bi-209 seems unstable. The expected extreme rarity of a proton decay event, however, is somewhat balanced by the overwhelming abundance of protons in the universe.The "lifetime" for an individual proton is more like a life expectancy, an average figure- given a suitably large collection of protons, odds are good that at least one would decay in a reasonable timeframe. If you carefully watch 10^33 protons for a year, for example, and reality agrees with theory (big if), then it is likely (certainly not guaranteed though) you will see at least one decay event. Now, 10^33 may sound like a tremendous amount, but remember that each proton has a mass of only 1.67*10^-27 kilograms, so that 10^33 protons would have a mass of about 1,600 metric tons- a lot, but not outrageous.

    The real problem lies in that "carefully watching" part. So many other forms of radiation are much more prevalent, and so might mask the signature of proton decay. Cosmic rays, naturally occuring radioisotopes in places you'd never think to look, solar neutrinos, that sort of thing. Ah, why yes, this is one of those experiments they do in a salt mine and uses a gigantic tank of ultrapure water (your proton source). However, as of yet, no one has found concrete evidence for proton decay from one of these experiments. Go here for a excellent site about a proton decay detector that ran in the 80s, and here for one currently in use.

    Perhaps this process will detect this very rare event, lending profound support to one of the many supersymmetric models out there. Unfortunately, if it does not detect proton decay, it will be much more difficult to say just what the result means, it being difficult to prove a negative and all.

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  10. somewhat OT isotope question by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since there are likely to be a number of people teading this that have good command of the topic, let me ask a question on isotopes. All through school I was taught that different isotopes of an element have the same chemical property. That information is still found in most articles on the subject. Yet I recently found a reference that Heavy Water was poisonous. Since there is no radiation danger, how can heavy water be poisonous if isotopes are chemically identical? What is going on here? And what are the indications of heavy water poisoning?

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    1. Re:somewhat OT isotope question by forii · · Score: 3, Informative

      Deuterium has different hydrogen bonding properties from H-1. This is a problem because a lot of biology (DNA, for instance) relies on hydrogen bonding to hold things together correctly. If you started drinking a lot of D2O, the differently shaped molecules wouldn't fit together correctly and you would begin breaking down at the cellular level. If I recall correctly the effects are a lot like radiation poisoning.

      Another way that D2O differs from regular H2O.